imbobbyc Loc: Montana

How? In light of Art. 6

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

:-o

Grugore

LOL! You know what I think. I think you're a troll. At least as far as religion goes.

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The Bible give us signs to watch out for, so we could know when His arrival was imminent. One of them was the restoration of Israel. This has happened, just like the Bible predicted. Israel was a desert, when the Jews took over. It is now a place of rivers and farmlands, and actually feeds several other countries in the region. This was also predicted in the Bible. Another prediction was that the generation that witnessed the return of the Jews to their homeland would see Christ return. Also, think about this. The Jews are the ONLY people in all of history who have completely lost their homeland and then got it back. That makes it a singular event in all of history. There is also the fact that Israel MUST exist as a state in order for the events described in Revelation to take place. They actually play a central role in events. Do you think this is a coincidence? So, ask yourself. What are the chances of these few prophecies all coming true, just as they were written? And what about all of the other prophecies that have come to pass? The odds are astronomical. Do you see a divine hand yet?

Grugore

Not really a screw up. Just a matter of misplaced emphasis.

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Blacksheep

Yeah I did, I knew you'd think that. You've expressed that pretty well in the past, in different words. When it comes to religion I definitely can be considered a troll by the religionists. That includes all religions though. I don't just pick on Christianity, they're all fodder for my shredder.

Now. Prophecies. Astronomical chances against, etc.
No, sorry. Most of those prophecies had to come true over a period of 2000 years, and LO, Behold, most of them have come true repeatedly. Of course.

That Israel would flower again was a self-fulfilling prophecy, because it's a central part of Judaism. Sooner or later they were bound to bring it about, and after Hitler killed off most of them, they realized that they needed to have their own country again where they could unite as a people. It was the Diaspora that nearly proved their undoing, that made them so vulnerable. Time to end it.

Also, your facts are in the wind about Israel and the Jews "having completely lost it". Totally wrong, the Jews have always lived in Israel even when the Muslims took most of it away from them. They've always been there, owned land, owned businesses. They never lost Israel as a home and that's why they had no problem returning to it.

You know, this is the whole problem in trying to converse with any of you religious zealots. You never have your history straight, you posit beliefs as if they were proven facts, and you flat out will not see truth even when it kicks you in the groin.

Buford Loc: Arizona

Evidently the Muslim religion of terrorism doesn't count. Oblamo is doing a heck of a job promoting it.

robert66

That's plenty clear enough. No state church bullshit. You want to know why people are constantly saying , separation of church and state ? One , its obvious from the part you cited , Two , the supreme court has ruled that way , using the words specifically ,separation of church and state. Practice your religion , whatever it may be on your own dime and your own time. No one is going to stop you.

Grugore

But the government IS trying to stop us. I could give plenty of examples.

robert66

Did they kick in the door of your church ? I think the government has been pretty lax on this subject. It says God on our money and God is usually cited in the pledge of allegiance. The presidents are allowed to say stuff about God and pray in public. What about " God bless the united States of America ". Obama says that all the time.

vernon

bullshit.

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

This topic is simple: Churches are allowed tax exempt status from the government to assure their separation from the state!

http://www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story.html#page=1

robert66

Great point.

PRM2014

First Amendment to the United States Constitution




First Amendment to the United States Constitution

fr.wikipedia.org
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights
It don't spell it out in the first amendment , just prohibits making a law infringing on religion.

Homestead

That's not quite right.

When the Constitution was signed there were a number of states that had a state religion.

There is nothing in the Constitution that would forbid a state from having a state religion, in that state. It didn't forbid it then or now.

That would be a question for the people of that state to decide.

Tomas Jefferson felt that a state religion tended to minimize religion in a state, because, by favoring one religion over others, that religion would have an advantage and the other religions would suffer with less opportunity and therefore there would be less religion in that state.

Virginia had a state religion. Tomas Jefferson was from Virginia and was instrumental in stopping it from being a state religion, in the name of promoting more religion.

When he became president, it was asked of him to do the same thing at a federal level, that he did at the state level.

That is when he baulked and said that there must be a wall.

The wall is between federal government, overstepping it's jurisdiction and intruding on the states rights and the rights of the citizens of that state.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

It appears that all you're looking for is an argument.