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Oct 24, 2014 07:40:05   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
America Only wrote:
STOP EATING YELLOW SNOW.


He eats a lot of yellow snow.

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Oct 24, 2014 07:47:52   #
Vstarguy
 
Hemiman wrote:
All you have to do is watch,even you can do that,right?


Sure! I think I can watch but....I'm asking you to prove your claim!
Is that so difficult to understand?....Maybe for you it is! I'm not sure.
You see I can be more snide than you...now be a good guy and act civil. You don't want me as your enemy and I don't want you as my enemy...I hope this is crystal clear. Thank you.

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Oct 24, 2014 09:19:43   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Blacksheep wrote:
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but everyone, and I don't mean overthrowing governments by force.

We need a media revolution. We need an entirely new form of communication that everyone can tune in on, that can't be dominated by the likes of Rupert Murdoch, one where we all can see things as they happen and unfiltered or censored by any news media.

We almost have it now. We have video cams that are the size of rice grains that can connect to the Internet, and portable computer-telephone-cameras that aren't much bigger than a credit card. What's lacking is a universal cell tower system or something similar that covers the whole planet.

I wonder what would happen if everyone could see what everyone else is doing, outside the privacy of their homes. We're getting closer to that being a reality all the time. Might make a few changes in politics, maybe?
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but... (show quote)


I won't deny that the slant to the news leaves EVERYTHING to the imagination, but have to wonder if vigilante "justice" as a result of seeing everything play out, whether that justice right or wrong, might throw the planet into chaos. Of course, after a bit, it might have just the opposite effect, because some really wouldn't want the consequences of their actions to be a swift death sentence.

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Oct 24, 2014 10:38:58   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Speaking of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News, did you know that the other owner of Fox is Prince Alwaleed bin Talal? Know what he says? Check it out.....


He looks like a typical, Muslim loving conservative. I'm sure Hannity has Thanksgiving dinner with him yearly. In fact, I'll bet this guy is handling the dinner prayer before they launch into some good old Thanksgiving Ham!!

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Oct 24, 2014 11:04:25   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
[quote=moldyoldy]The Core Thesis: Authoritarian people have a stronger emotional need for an outlet like Fox, where they can find affirmation and escape factual challenges to their beliefs.
Insights from Chris Mooney’s book The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and Reality.


The name of this book establishes both the thesis and conclusion.

Definition of EMPIRICAL

1: Originating in or based on observation or experience <empirical data>

2: relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory
<an empirical basis for the theory>

As far as the ignorance of the people being polled, there is no shortage of ignorance at both political extremes. The polls themselves are seldom unbiased, were any Liberals or Progressives subjected to the same polls. Do Libs and Progs watch anything other than NPR (National Communist radio), CNN etc.

As far as news sources lying to their readers/viewers, does anyone believe that any of these sources, no matter how exalted, tells the absolute truth even most of the time? In this electronic age even the old adage "seeing is believing" is not true. Information pulled out of context, whole events created or altered electronically, all are used to dupe the recipient of the information.

It is not surprising that viewers will watch the news programs that reflect their values and views. To accuse those programs of systematically lying, without proof, is nonsense. To accuse the viewers of ignorance because of those programs is plain stupidity.

As an empiricist, I prefer to observe the results of political actions and determine the motives of the politicians. In the days of Hercule Poirot it was "Cherchez La Femme", in these days it is "Follow the Money" and this book you cited is simply an attempt to pander to the prejudices of the Lib/Prog faction, most likely to acquire money.

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Oct 24, 2014 11:38:16   #
MajorAhrens Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The Core Thesis: Authoritarian people have a stronger emotional need for an outlet like Fox, where they can find affirmation and escape factual challenges to their beliefs.
Insights from Chris Mooney’s book The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and Reality.

Now I know this is going to raise all kinds of hackles but I find the book fascinating and the article referred to here does a reasonable strong job representing a research heavy 336 page tome. The Amazon Link provided provides more insights in the reviews there. Here is one of them: "Drawing on a growing body of empirical research, he provides an intelligent, nuanced and persuasive account of how conservatives and liberals tend to differ at the level of psychology and personality" (Financial Times, April 2012)

The author explores the findings of seven surveys. These are public opinion surveys that ask citizens about their beliefs on factual but contested issues, and also about their media habits. Inevitably, some significant percentage of citizens are found to be misinformed about the facts, and in a politicized way—but not only that. The surveys also find that those who watch Fox are more likely to be misinformed, their views of reality skewed in a right-wing direction. In some cases, the studies even show that watching more Fox makes the misinformation problem worse.

The issues were the Iraq War, Global Warming, Health Care, Ground Zero Mosque, 2010 Elections. The author goes on to explore the evidence that supports his key tenet: Fox viewers are misinformed. Of note, this means, in his study, that Fox viewers are both misinformed in term of what they know, and that they have been misinformed by Fox as a source of what they know.

Looking at a variety of studies, the author comes to the conclusion that
Fox is imparting misinformation even as politically conservative viewers are also seeking the station out—highly open to it and already convinced about many falsehoods that dovetail with their beliefs, certainty is driven by a kind of feedback loop. Those seeking to have their beliefs reinforced only look to those who will reinforce it. This is referred to as selective exposure and it is the clearest way to look at how people create their own realities, based upon their views of the world.

People overall are nearly twice as likely to consume ideologically congenial information as to consume ideologically inconvenient information.

Add to this a certain predisposition to close mindedness. Political conservatives tend to have a higher need for closure. Conservatives who are authoritarian/absolute in style maintain their beliefs against challenges by limiting their experiences, and surrounding themselves with sources of information that will tell them they are right.

The author then goes on to explain how Fox takes advantage of this mindset to program stories that feed into it. References are made to the "nine separate political misperceptions" identified by the PIPA study which Fox viewers widely embrace.

I am going to close by offering this concluding segment from the article:



In summary, then, the “science” of Fox News clearly shows that its viewers are more misinformed than the viewers of other stations, and are indeed this way for ideological reasons. But these are not necessarily the reasons that liberals may assume. Instead, the Fox “effect” probably occurs both because the station churns out falsehoods that conservatives readily accept—falsehoods that may even seem convincing to some liberals on occasion—but also because conservatives are overwhelmingly inclined to choose to watch Fox to begin with.
At the same time, it’s important to note that they’re also disinclined to watch anything else. Fox keeps constantly in their minds the idea that the rest of the media are “biased” against them, and conservatives duly respond by saying other media aren’t worth watching—it’s just a pack of lies. According to Public Policy Polling’s annual TV News Trust Poll (the 2011 run), 72 percent of conservatives say they trust Fox News, but they also say they strongly distrust NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN. Liberals and moderates, in contrast, trust all of these outlets more than they distrust them (though they distrust Fox). This, too, suggests conservative selective exposure.

And there is an even more telling study of “Fox-only” behavior among conservatives, from Stanford’s Shanto Iyengar and Kyu Hahn of Yonsei University, in Seoul, South Korea. They conducted a classic left-right selective exposure study, giving members of different ideological groups the chance to choose stories from a news stream that provided them with a headline and a news source logo—Fox, CNN, NPR, and the BBC—but nothing else. The experiment was manipulated so that the same headline and story was randomly attributed to different news sources. The result was that Democrats and liberals were definitely less inclined to choose Fox than other sources, but spread their interest across the other outlets when it came to news. But Republicans and conservatives overwhelmingly chose Fox for hard news and even for soft news, and ignored other sources. “The probability that a Republican would select a CNN or NPR report was around 10%,” wrote the authors.

In other words Fox News is both deceiver and enabler simultaneously. First, its existence creates the opportunity for conservatives to exercise their biases, by selecting into the Fox information stream, and also by imbibing Fox-style arguments and claims that can then fuel biased reasoning about politics, science, and whatever else comes up.

But at the same time, it’s also likely that conservatives, tending to be more closed-minded and more authoritarian, have a stronger emotional need for an outlet like Fox, where they can find affirmation and escape from the belief challenges constantly presented by the “liberal media.” Their psychological need for something affirmative is probably stronger than what’s encountered on the opposite side of the aisle—as is their revulsion towards allegedly liberal (but really centrist) media outlets.

And thus we find, at the root of our political dysfunction, a classic nurture-nature mélange. The penchant for selective exposure is rooted in our psychology and our brains. Closed-mindedness and authoritarianism—running stronger in some of us than in others—likely are as well.

But nevertheless, it took the emergence of a station like Fox News before these tendencies could be fully activated—polarizing America not only over politics, but over reality itself.
The Core Thesis: Authoritarian people have a stron... (show quote)
Very interesting. Fox is so misleading that its been number 1 for over ten years. That means not just conservatives watch Fox. Liberals, independents and all those in between watch. I've tried to watch MSNBC but with people like Al,(resist we much), Sharpton and his ilk having their own program,(can you say Tawana Brawley), that station should be labeled comedy central2. They have NO differing views than that of the left. Morning Joe was a decent show at first. But he's getting as loony as the others. And one has to look no farther than their ratings to see what you are getting. Just another shill station for Obama. Fox has offered many times to debate the people of that station. But instead of debating the talking heads on MSNBC would rather just throw untrue bombs at anyone they don't agree with. Whoever gets their "news" from MSNBC are the ones who want their views reinforced. Luckily I get most of my info from my oldest sons military buddy who works for a few people in Langley. You don't stay number one by chance.

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Oct 24, 2014 12:44:49   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
FOR; moldyoldy

Did not want to take up space with all that dialogue again.
All those books, documents, writers, and researchers that you based that diatribe on are flaming liberals who favor Agenda 21 and will do or say anything toward that end.

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Oct 24, 2014 14:38:22   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
swampbug wrote:
FOR; moldyoldy

Did not want to take up space with all that dialogue again.
All those books, documents, writers, and researchers that you based that diatribe on are flaming liberals who favor Agenda 21 and will do or say anything toward that end.


:thumbup:

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Oct 24, 2014 14:56:58   #
SinnieK
 
Governments would like your idea especially the US government; it definitely would like to know what everyone is doing with the surveillance around the globe which causes the global outrage.

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Oct 25, 2014 06:14:52   #
Iggy Rat Loc: Lost in America
 
Hemiman wrote:
Without Mr.Murdock we would never get any real news,you mean you want news you agree with.


How about news representing fact without spin. Not just what they want to tell us.

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Oct 25, 2014 06:27:36   #
Iggy Rat Loc: Lost in America
 
Vstarguy wrote:
Prove it!


Prove what? That NO COP, EVER... in all the history of law enforcement in America, EVER, tried to drag a violent 6'3" thug into the FRONT seat of his patrol car. The lying witness should have been shot, too. Michael Brown was a violent piece of shit (proven by the security video from moment before his well deserved shooting) who got what he had coming. I'm not a big fan of the police state in America but if you attack a cop, you get shot. The rest of the city of Ferguson deserves to be abandoned by law enforcement.

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Oct 25, 2014 06:40:14   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Hemiman wrote:
Without Mr.Murdock we would never get any real news,you mean you want news you agree with.


Sorry, Murdock is just about as much of the problem as anyone else. He plays his role like the others play theirs.

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Oct 25, 2014 11:06:21   #
Vstarguy
 
Iggy Rat wrote:
Prove what? That NO COP, EVER... in all the history of law enforcement in America, EVER, tried to drag a violent 6'3" thug into the FRONT seat of his patrol car. The lying witness should have been shot, too. Michael Brown was a violent piece of shit (proven by the security video from moment before his well deserved shooting) who got what he had coming. I'm not a big fan of the police state in America but if you attack a cop, you get shot. The rest of the city of Ferguson deserves to be abandoned by law enforcement.
Prove what? That NO COP, EVER... in all the histo... (show quote)


I don't recall the context that lead to "prove it". Please furnish the text.

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Oct 25, 2014 11:06:50   #
Vstarguy
 
Vstarguy wrote:
I don't recall the context that lead to my replying "prove it". Please furnish the text.

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