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Oct 23, 2014 22:23:25   #
Blacksheep
 
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but everyone, and I don't mean overthrowing governments by force.

We need a media revolution. We need an entirely new form of communication that everyone can tune in on, that can't be dominated by the likes of Rupert Murdoch, one where we all can see things as they happen and unfiltered or censored by any news media.

We almost have it now. We have video cams that are the size of rice grains that can connect to the Internet, and portable computer-telephone-cameras that aren't much bigger than a credit card. What's lacking is a universal cell tower system or something similar that covers the whole planet.

I wonder what would happen if everyone could see what everyone else is doing, outside the privacy of their homes. We're getting closer to that being a reality all the time. Might make a few changes in politics, maybe?

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Oct 23, 2014 22:33:17   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Blacksheep wrote:
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but everyone, and I don't mean overthrowing governments by force.

We need a media revolution. We need an entirely new form of communication that everyone can tune in on, that can't be dominated by the likes of Rupert Murdoch, one where we all can see things as they happen and unfiltered or censored by any news media.

We almost have it now. We have video cams that are the size of rice grains that can connect to the Internet, and portable computer-telephone-cameras that aren't much bigger than a credit card. What's lacking is a universal cell tower system or something similar that covers the whole planet.

I wonder what would happen if everyone could see what everyone else is doing, outside the privacy of their homes. We're getting closer to that being a reality all the time. Might make a few changes in politics, maybe?
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but... (show quote)


Without Mr.Murdock we would never get any real news,you mean you want news you agree with.

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Oct 23, 2014 22:35:52   #
just care
 
I totally agree. I think all governments shove so much crap down peoples throat . Unfortunately obama is currently the only one with that technology. In and outside your home.

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Oct 23, 2014 22:36:31   #
moldyoldy
 
Blacksheep wrote:
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but everyone, and I don't mean overthrowing governments by force.

We need a media revolution. We need an entirely new form of communication that everyone can tune in on, that can't be dominated by the likes of Rupert Murdoch, one where we all can see things as they happen and unfiltered or censored by any news media.

We almost have it now. We have video cams that are the size of rice grains that can connect to the Internet, and portable computer-telephone-cameras that aren't much bigger than a credit card. What's lacking is a universal cell tower system or something similar that covers the whole planet.

I wonder what would happen if everyone could see what everyone else is doing, outside the privacy of their homes. We're getting closer to that being a reality all the time. Might make a few changes in politics, maybe?
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but... (show quote)


Unfortunately fox is controlling the thinking of people all over the world. They are tapping the phones of politicians in England, telling the public what to think all over Asia, controlling the thinking in Australia. One news group, controlling the thinking of so many different countries, and trying to buy all the newspapers and TV stations. Plus they won a law suit that says they have the right to lie to the public.

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Oct 23, 2014 22:40:24   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Unfortunately fox is controlling the thinking of people all over the world. They are tapping the phones of politicians in England, telling the public what to think all over Asia, controlling the thinking in Australia. One news group, controlling the thinking of so many different countries, and trying to buy all the newspapers and TV stations. Plus they won a law suit that says they have the right to lie to the public.


Prove it.

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Oct 23, 2014 22:41:09   #
Blacksheep
 
Hemiman wrote:
Without Mr.Murdock we would never get any real news,you mean you want news you agree with.


Where do you get that stretch from? Trying to start a fight like trolls love to do or are you somehow serious?

Murdock owns TV stations, cable networks and newspapers all over the world. The news he feeds us will always have his slant on it, just like the Liberal news media does.

No, I'm not talking about news broadcasting, I'm talking about everybody seeing what everyone else is doing and all of it captured on hard drives all over the planet.

Like that mess going on with Michael Brown being shot by a cop. If the witnesses all were televising that, there'd be no question at all over who did what to whom. THAT is what I'm talking about.

Politicians couldn't meet with bribers on some park bench without that being preserved on a 1000 hard drives.

Think about it for a moment.

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Oct 23, 2014 22:44:57   #
Blacksheep
 
Speaking of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News, did you know that the other owner of Fox is Prince Alwaleed bin Talal? Know what he says? Check it out.....



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Oct 23, 2014 22:49:50   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Where do you get that stretch from? Trying to start a fight like trolls love to do or are you somehow serious?

Murdock owns TV stations, cable networks and newspapers all over the world. The news he feeds us will always have his slant on it, just like the Liberal news media does.

No, I'm not talking about news broadcasting, I'm talking about everybody seeing what everyone else is doing and all of it captured on hard drives all over the planet.

Like that mess going on with Michael Brown being shot by a cop. If the witnesses all were televising that, there'd be no question at all over who did what to whom. THAT is what I'm talking about.

Politicians couldn't meet with bribers on some park bench without that being preserved on a 1000 hard drives.

Think about it for a moment.
Where do you get that stretch from? Trying to star... (show quote)


I would love to see the Brown incident appear on tape a lot of innocent people would be spared a lot of misery.I don't think Fox would appear to have a right wing slant if there wasn't so much corruption from Obama.The alphabet networks outright lie and twist facts so bad once again it makes fox appear slant right when they all present the same news story.

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Oct 23, 2014 22:50:38   #
moldyoldy
 
Hemiman wrote:
Prove it.


The Core Thesis: Authoritarian people have a stronger emotional need for an outlet like Fox, where they can find affirmation and escape factual challenges to their beliefs.
Insights from Chris Mooney’s book The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and Reality.

Now I know this is going to raise all kinds of hackles but I find the book fascinating and the article referred to here does a reasonable strong job representing a research heavy 336 page tome. The Amazon Link provided provides more insights in the reviews there. Here is one of them: "Drawing on a growing body of empirical research, he provides an intelligent, nuanced and persuasive account of how conservatives and liberals tend to differ at the level of psychology and personality" (Financial Times, April 2012)

The author explores the findings of seven surveys. These are public opinion surveys that ask citizens about their beliefs on factual but contested issues, and also about their media habits. Inevitably, some significant percentage of citizens are found to be misinformed about the facts, and in a politicized way—but not only that. The surveys also find that those who watch Fox are more likely to be misinformed, their views of reality skewed in a right-wing direction. In some cases, the studies even show that watching more Fox makes the misinformation problem worse.

The issues were the Iraq War, Global Warming, Health Care, Ground Zero Mosque, 2010 Elections. The author goes on to explore the evidence that supports his key tenet: Fox viewers are misinformed. Of note, this means, in his study, that Fox viewers are both misinformed in term of what they know, and that they have been misinformed by Fox as a source of what they know.

Looking at a variety of studies, the author comes to the conclusion that
Fox is imparting misinformation even as politically conservative viewers are also seeking the station out—highly open to it and already convinced about many falsehoods that dovetail with their beliefs, certainty is driven by a kind of feedback loop. Those seeking to have their beliefs reinforced only look to those who will reinforce it. This is referred to as selective exposure and it is the clearest way to look at how people create their own realities, based upon their views of the world.

People overall are nearly twice as likely to consume ideologically congenial information as to consume ideologically inconvenient information.

Add to this a certain predisposition to close mindedness. Political conservatives tend to have a higher need for closure. Conservatives who are authoritarian/absolute in style maintain their beliefs against challenges by limiting their experiences, and surrounding themselves with sources of information that will tell them they are right.

The author then goes on to explain how Fox takes advantage of this mindset to program stories that feed into it. References are made to the "nine separate political misperceptions" identified by the PIPA study which Fox viewers widely embrace.

I am going to close by offering this concluding segment from the article:



In summary, then, the “science” of Fox News clearly shows that its viewers are more misinformed than the viewers of other stations, and are indeed this way for ideological reasons. But these are not necessarily the reasons that liberals may assume. Instead, the Fox “effect” probably occurs both because the station churns out falsehoods that conservatives readily accept—falsehoods that may even seem convincing to some liberals on occasion—but also because conservatives are overwhelmingly inclined to choose to watch Fox to begin with.
At the same time, it’s important to note that they’re also disinclined to watch anything else. Fox keeps constantly in their minds the idea that the rest of the media are “biased” against them, and conservatives duly respond by saying other media aren’t worth watching—it’s just a pack of lies. According to Public Policy Polling’s annual TV News Trust Poll (the 2011 run), 72 percent of conservatives say they trust Fox News, but they also say they strongly distrust NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN. Liberals and moderates, in contrast, trust all of these outlets more than they distrust them (though they distrust Fox). This, too, suggests conservative selective exposure.

And there is an even more telling study of “Fox-only” behavior among conservatives, from Stanford’s Shanto Iyengar and Kyu Hahn of Yonsei University, in Seoul, South Korea. They conducted a classic left-right selective exposure study, giving members of different ideological groups the chance to choose stories from a news stream that provided them with a headline and a news source logo—Fox, CNN, NPR, and the BBC—but nothing else. The experiment was manipulated so that the same headline and story was randomly attributed to different news sources. The result was that Democrats and liberals were definitely less inclined to choose Fox than other sources, but spread their interest across the other outlets when it came to news. But Republicans and conservatives overwhelmingly chose Fox for hard news and even for soft news, and ignored other sources. “The probability that a Republican would select a CNN or NPR report was around 10%,” wrote the authors.

In other words Fox News is both deceiver and enabler simultaneously. First, its existence creates the opportunity for conservatives to exercise their biases, by selecting into the Fox information stream, and also by imbibing Fox-style arguments and claims that can then fuel biased reasoning about politics, science, and whatever else comes up.

But at the same time, it’s also likely that conservatives, tending to be more closed-minded and more authoritarian, have a stronger emotional need for an outlet like Fox, where they can find affirmation and escape from the belief challenges constantly presented by the “liberal media.” Their psychological need for something affirmative is probably stronger than what’s encountered on the opposite side of the aisle—as is their revulsion towards allegedly liberal (but really centrist) media outlets.

And thus we find, at the root of our political dysfunction, a classic nurture-nature mélange. The penchant for selective exposure is rooted in our psychology and our brains. Closed-mindedness and authoritarianism—running stronger in some of us than in others—likely are as well.

But nevertheless, it took the emergence of a station like Fox News before these tendencies could be fully activated—polarizing America not only over politics, but over reality itself.

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Oct 23, 2014 22:51:20   #
Steve700
 
Blacksheep wrote:


We almost have it now.

I wonder what would happen if everyone could see what everyone else is doing, outside the privacy of their homes. We're getting closer to that being a reality all the time. Might make a few changes in politics, maybe?
Yeah, it will soon be here all right and it's called the total control of the New World order. And you want to get rid of Murdok and Fox news ??? What are you some kind of lame brain fool. That's the only halfway American, truthful and honest news left. They are the only ones constantly encouraging the opposition to debate with them and regular people from the left giving their point of view as well as those from the right. What the hell do you want; these liars who selected and promoted Obama for us and constantly omit and lie to cover up for him. ??? Where they don't report the news but make the news according to what they omit and what they report ??? Where truth and honesty means nothing and the only agenda is to fulfill the globalist agenda ??? Is that what you want to have your mind molded some more with Bull Shit propaganda from the far left. Aren't you already sick enough ???

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Oct 23, 2014 22:58:55   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Where do you get that stretch from? Trying to start a fight like trolls love to do or are you somehow serious?

Murdock owns TV stations, cable networks and newspapers all over the world. The news he feeds us will always have his slant on it, just like the Liberal news media does.

No, I'm not talking about news broadcasting, I'm talking about everybody seeing what everyone else is doing and all of it captured on hard drives all over the planet.

Like that mess going on with Michael Brown being shot by a cop. If the witnesses all were televising that, there'd be no question at all over who did what to whom. THAT is what I'm talking about.

Politicians couldn't meet with bribers on some park bench without that being preserved on a 1000 hard drives.

Think about it for a moment.
Where do you get that stretch from? Trying to star... (show quote)




I don't think I want your idea of America. We almost have that now with the government tapping our phones and everything else we own or post. No, I think the answer is to put people in office with integrity and not some nut job that is going to give you free things. That begins at the local level and goes all the way to Washington. We also need to give people a REAL education, not this garbage they are getting now and they especially need to learn our form of government and our Constitution. Figure out how to do that and you will have a winner.

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Oct 23, 2014 23:14:08   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Blacksheep wrote:
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but everyone, and I don't mean overthrowing governments by force.

We need a media revolution. We need an entirely new form of communication that everyone can tune in on, that can't be dominated by the likes of Rupert Murdoch, one where we all can see things as they happen and unfiltered or censored by any news media.

We almost have it now. We have video cams that are the size of rice grains that can connect to the Internet, and portable computer-telephone-cameras that aren't much bigger than a credit card. What's lacking is a universal cell tower system or something similar that covers the whole planet.

I wonder what would happen if everyone could see what everyone else is doing, outside the privacy of their homes. We're getting closer to that being a reality all the time. Might make a few changes in politics, maybe?
The world needs a revolution. Not just the USA but... (show quote)


Yeah. Somebody needs to invent something that can be printed out on paper. Something like that would still be portable, reusable and last forever. You could put all kinds of entertainment in it and - what? Oh. I see - a book. I knew I'd heard of such an invention somewhere.

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Oct 23, 2014 23:21:54   #
Blacksheep
 
Steve700 wrote:
Yeah, it will soon be here all right and it's called the total control of the New World order. And you want to get rid of Murdoch and Fox news ??? What are you some kind of lame brain fool. That's the only halfway American, truthful and honest news left. They are the only ones constantly encouraging the opposition to debate with them and regular people from the left giving their point of view as well as those from the right. What the hell do you want; these liars who selected and promoted Obama for us and constantly omit and lie to cover up for him. ??? Where they don't report the news but make the news according to what they omit and what they report ??? Where truth and honesty means nothing and the only agenda is to fulfill the globalist agenda ??? Is that what you want to have your mind molded some more with Bull Shit propaganda from the far left. Aren't you already sick enough ???
Yeah, it will soon be here all right and it's call... (show quote)


Get your head out of your ass, please. Is it something in the water?
I NEVER EVEN HINTED THAT I WANTED TO GET RID OF FOX NEWS. Christ almighty, what's the matter with you? Have you forgotten how to read?

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Oct 23, 2014 23:24:48   #
Blacksheep
 
MrEd wrote:
I don't think I want your idea of America. We almost have that now with the government tapping our phones and everything else we own or post. No, I think the answer is to put people in office with integrity and not some nut job that is going to give you free things. That begins at the local level and goes all the way to Washington. We also need to give people a REAL education, not this garbage they are getting now and they especially need to learn our form of government and our Constitution. Figure out how to do that and you will have a winner.
I don't think I want your idea of America. We almo... (show quote)


Your attention span is slacking. My idea of America? Exactly what idea of America did I propose? All I said is that we need to be able to know what's happening without events being filtered through the bullshit strainers of cbs, nbc, abc and etc.

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Oct 23, 2014 23:26:00   #
Blacksheep
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yeah. Somebody needs to invent something that can be printed out on paper. Something like that would still be portable, reusable and last forever. You could put all kinds of entertainment in it and - what? Oh. I see - a book. I knew I'd heard of such an invention somewhere.


Oh hell, I completely forgot. Thursday is queer day all day and stupid night all night.

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