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Oct 13, 2014 14:48:44   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
AuntiE wrote:
You are presumptuous POAC....and a dolt as well. I frequently watch all the various stations for the same story to hear stories from various sides.

Now on to real facts, POAC. When the howling from the Progressives started afte the SCOTUS decision on voting rights last year, mor then a few news sources, including the Washington Post, ran articles showing that, in fact, during the last several election cycles blacks hve been voting i higher percentages then Caucasians. In point of fact, it showed southern blacks were voting in higher percentages then other demographics. In point of fact, the vast majority of residents, who are LEGALLY ELIGIBLE to vote have some type of photo ID. You cannot conduct any financial transactions without photo ID.

Should there be exceptions for our more senior citizens.....absolutely! Should individuals of questionable legal citizenship be allowed to vote....no. There is not a single individual ho does not know when election days are. They occur with regularity and sufficient notice is available for an individual, who has the LEGAL RIGHT, to vote to obtain the necessary proof of CITIZENSHIP to register to vote and then vote.

I do not gives a pigs poototie if a little green man from Mars votes as long as said little green individual can prove they are a CITIZEN, hence eligible to vote.
You are presumptuous POAC....and a dolt as well. I... (show quote)


Why do you want to give more laws to the government. I see that "against bigger government" is a complete lie from your side.

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Oct 13, 2014 14:54:30   #
W8_4_It
 
skott wrote:
But why should they have to get one at all. Since there is relatively no voter fraud happening, why make laws against it. Are you for more big government.?


Skott,

Thanks for ducking the question yet again.

To answer your question, For the same reason people who want to drive, cash a check, open a bank account, buy liquor or cigarettes or a gun have one.

Is voting less important than driving, conducting financial transactions, buying booze/cigarettes or purchasing a firearm?

If the ID is free what are your objections?

Why do you want illegals voting?

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Oct 13, 2014 15:04:02   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
skott wrote:
Why do you want to give more laws to the government. I see that "against bigger government" is a complete lie from your side.


You obviously are not only a POAC but totally lacking in knowledge on voting and registration for voting. It is a States Rights. In point of fact, the SCOTUS has issued several decisions affirming such. In fact, there would be no "bigger government" as the voter registration system is already in place in all states and four Commonwealths. Were you unaware of such...probably. All agencies to provide proof of LEGAL CITIZENSHIP already exist.

You would be better informed if you spent less time on MSNBC, the NYT and paid more attention to the courts.

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Oct 13, 2014 15:06:17   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
W8_4_It wrote:
Skott,

Thanks for ducking the question yet again.

To answer your question, For the same reason people who want to drive, cash a check, open a bank account, buy liquor or cigarettes or a gun have one.

Is voting less important than driving, conducting financial transactions, buying booze/cigarettes or purchasing a firearm?

If the ID is free what are your objections?

Why do you want illegals voting?


As to your final sentence/question, my response is ....need you ask why he wants "illegals voting"? I believe the answer is relatively clear.

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Oct 13, 2014 16:34:45   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
AuntiE wrote:
Let us not leave out the investigation done by a NBC affiliate in Florida that found fifteen hundred illegal votes by non citizens in one county alone.


Baby steps if you tell them too many truths at once, they get confused.

Off topic: did you put an extra pair of socks on yesterday or something? ;) Where did that whooping come from.

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Oct 13, 2014 16:37:50   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
skott wrote:
Why do you want to give more laws to the government. I see that "against bigger government" is a complete lie from your side.


The government wouldn't be as big as it is if we would have had them before. Also a photo ID seems to be less intrusive then data mining, don't ya think?

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Oct 14, 2014 02:58:47   #
funguy1949
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Sounds like contradictory statementsÂ…but typical liberal statistical analysis.


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Oct 14, 2014 03:04:03   #
funguy1949
 
skott wrote:
Show me that one million votes that were fraudulent. The one million that Obama got more than Romney. You guys cant even prove .1% were fraudulent. You just want to get back to Jim Crow, poor people of color should have no vote.



You know something in every state I've ever been in during my service time during voting I've had to show my ID,before being allowed to vote in that state. So is it that hard to to get a ID from the state.So you can vote legaly?? In other words NO ID no vote works for me.

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Oct 14, 2014 06:54:22   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Whatever side you are on in this issue, please read the FACTS called out in this editorial. Voter fraud is statistically non-existent; the issue is a created one by the Republican party in an effort to suppress voter turn-out.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/13/opinion/the-big-lie-behind-voter-id-laws.html?emc=edit_th_20141013&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=37695634&_r=0
I have read similar articles and also articles from sites that claim 120 % voter turn out in some places where democrats won. and that there are thousands of cases of dead people voting. I tend not to believe those reports. These voter I D laws did not come into being until the election of Barack Obama. I think the message is clear in those states which have gone on the voter I D kick----Never Again.

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Oct 14, 2014 07:31:37   #
Snoopy
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Whatever side you are on in this issue, please read the FACTS called out in this editorial. Voter fraud is statistically non-existent; the issue is a created one by the Republican party in an effort to suppress voter turn-out.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/13/opinion/the-big-lie-behind-voter-id-laws.html?emc=edit_th_20141013&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=37695634&_r=0


Paul

If voter ID is not such a big deal and insignificant, then why all the fuss about
Having mandatory ID.

In the REAL world you need ID for a lot of transactions: cashing a check, job applications, applying for a loan, using your credit card, etc.

Snoopy

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Oct 14, 2014 07:33:35   #
sweetlips
 
here are some more stats about this from IJMIU,It says that in some of our largest cities, voter fraud is around 9.84 %

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Oct 14, 2014 08:07:29   #
1OldGeezer
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Whatever side you are on in this issue, please read the FACTS called out in this editorial. Voter fraud is statistically non-existent; the issue is a created one by the Republican party in an effort to suppress voter turn-out.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/13/opinion/the-big-lie-behind-voter-id-laws.html?emc=edit_th_20141013&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=37695634&_r=0


Paul,

Where is YOUR mind, you need some NYT shill to try to convince you that voters shouldn't be required to positively identify themselves??? Think for yourself (I suspect some posters do know the truth but post opinion pieces only to misrepresent the real situations for political reasons - so my advice of "think for yourself" will, in some case, fall on deaf ears.) But it needs to be said.

There is much documented voter fraud, BUT, even that is not needed to require proper voter ID, what is wrong with preventing future fraud. (What if that Republican tried to vote twice?? horrors !!!)

Can you imagine a person who doesn't think it worth while to go get a free picture ID (99% already have a drivers license anyway and don't need to do anything else) would really find the time to be an informed voter? Or is he easy pickin's for a vote hustler (like the ACORN spinoffs who registered Mickey Mouse), especially if a picture ID is not required.

Is the opposition to proper voter ID more concerned about the Democratic party's survival than about the survival of our liberties guaranteed by our constitution ???,. the two are diametrically opposed in this case.

The issue is SO CLEAR that anyone still opposed to picture ID will never be convinced otherwise with logical reasoning, they don't use logic in their thinking, just emotions. But it needs to be said anyway for that 1 in a million chance. THINK FOR YOURSELF.

1oldgeezer

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Oct 14, 2014 09:17:25   #
ed4short Loc: New Hampshire
 
Didn't Gore prove what was going on during the naming of Bush for our leading idiot back then?

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Oct 14, 2014 09:35:25   #
1OldGeezer
 
sweetlips wrote:
here are some more stats about this from IJMIU,It says that in some of our largest cities, voter fraud is around 9.84 %


sweetlips,

And that is more than enough to swing just about any election.
(In some cases, where the ACORN spinoffs are more active, I would expect that 9.84% percent number is more.)

Remember, Obama worked for (voter fraud) Acorn in his younger days ???

1oldgeezer

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Oct 14, 2014 09:51:57   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption/election-crimes This is the legal definition of voter fraud.

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