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Sep 16, 2014 11:50:18   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
swampbug wrote:
You make a great case for California to secede from the union as some of you have suggested.






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Sep 16, 2014 12:06:40   #
Brian Devon
 
swampbug wrote:
You make a great case for California to secede from the union as some of you have suggested.



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For you to get your dream world you would not only need the secession of Calif, but the entire west coast, upper midwest, northeast as well as Virginia and Florida.

All the rest of us would need is for Texas to go back to being a territory of northern Mexico.

It would be poetic justice.

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Sep 16, 2014 13:30:39   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Horatius at the Bridge wrote:
Normally I ignore the ignorance demonstrated in these posts, but as an unabashed capitalist, I feel obligated to reply. Your description of the 19th century factory conditions may be true, but not any longer. We have learned that we can have greater sales of our "widgets" when there is a growing economy, and part of that is an accurate economic recognition of the labor costs. The true value of a "job" as in "minimum wage" is the value that effort brings to the company. In other words, any "job" is required to enhance shareholder value. If it doesn't do so, it does not need to exist.
Next, your comparison of Koch to Stalin is just beyond the pale. Stalin is on the list of the top few mass murders - responsible for the murder of over 100 million. Koch is responsible for many jobs that otherwise wouldn't exist without their investment. I for one would be very happy to have lunch with or be stranded on an island with either Koch brother. Your Stalin reference reinforces my belief you are a Statist, believe in government and likely are a registered Democrat (by the way, "registered Democrat" is an insult in our quarters).
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Horatius: The word democrat is an insult to me as well!!!!


They seem to still be searching for new recruits!



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Sep 16, 2014 13:40:04   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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For you to get your dream world you would not only need the secession of Calif, but the entire west coast, upper midwest, northeast as well as Virginia and Florida.

All the rest of us would need is for Texas to go back to being a territory of northern Mexico.

It would be poetic justice.


You must not have looked at the red/blue map of the US lately or is this just another part of your fallacious talking points fed by your imagination that your group is so noted for.

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Sep 16, 2014 17:33:49   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Dodi wrote:
You are so right. And I am all for it but I believe we are living in the "last days" and the Bible teaches that at that time right will be wrong and wrong will be taught as right. Therefore, the "tolerance" we observe being taught and is to accept the "wrongs" while the "rights" are being condemned as narrow minded and intolerant. That is because "right" has limitations and with "wrong" even the basest behavior is alright, "if it feels right, do it".
You are so right. And I am all for it but I belie... (show quote)


Your on point....and also good will be called evil, and evil will be called good. Prophecy in the Bible, is in the front page news, televised news, and a walk thru town. The accuracy of Gods word is perfect and complete. Christians that belong to our Lord Jesus, are able to clearly see the days we are in, and understand that only God can repair our nation, a revival. I am an optimist, but also believe that God places and removes rulers, the ruler of our nation that at hyper speed had degraded our nation socially, morally, economically, as a world power is all in GodsGods plan. Allowing the nation to have her hearts desire and turn from him, by free will, thus fulfilling end times prophecy. I fear for those that have waxed cold, their hearts from God, and the coming judgment to America. God has not appointed his children to judgment, and the great commission for Christians is to share the gospel and saving grace of Jesus Christ our Lord, soon it will be to late and the time of Jacobs troubles begin, a terrible, horrific time, but also a time for those that rejected the gospel to accept at the cost of their head. Keep posting your messages, and pray the scales may be lifted by those that read them.
God bless

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Sep 16, 2014 21:53:01   #
Ricktloml
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Moral relativism is now the concept even taught in schools. A major attempt to compare all cultures as if they are all equal has ended up with no right and wrong as it pertains to anything. When a tribe of people who lived a thousand years ago and believed that children should be sacrificed to the god of fire and that infertile women were to be driven out of the tribe to starve to death on their own, is considered morally superior and it is now common to say their beliefs are as valid as Christianity. The Romans who believed that children were to be used as sexual objects, and that slaughtering them when their use was no longer needed, are now considered as prime examples of culture. Many of the sexual mores of the past are used as validation for behavior today. So when an African tribe believed that boys should do oral sex on adult men because the sperm that the boys consumed would make them fertile men, parts of today's culture uses that to validate child molestation, for instance. Until we get back to a firm concept of right and wrong as written in the Bible we are going to drift more and more into" do it if you want, all things are equally fine" destruction of the society.
Think about it the statement that "There is no right and wrong" is by itself a contradiction.
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In William J. Federer's book: What Every American Needs To Know About The Qur'an, he states that multiculturalism is the AIDS virus for Western civilization. What we are seeing is 50+ years of progressive cultural rot

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Sep 16, 2014 22:04:41   #
Brian Devon
 
swampbug wrote:
You must not have looked at the red/blue map of the US lately or is this just another part of your fallacious talking points fed by your imagination that your group is so noted for.






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I have looked at a red/blue map of the U.S. recently. It is overwhelmingly red especially in the places that have more cows than people. The cities, (you know, those people who decide presidential elections) are overwhelmingly blue.

There are even some very blue areas now in the south including N. Virginia, Charlotte, Atlanta, Austin, South Florida and San Antonio.

Of course the biggest enchilada of all, has its population centers a bright blue (except for San Diego).

Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Oakland, and Sacramento are all bright blue. These are the areas that control California's 55 electoral votes.

What's that you were saying about red/blue maps?

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Sep 16, 2014 22:08:42   #
son of witless
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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For you to get your dream world you would not only need the secession of Calif, but the entire west coast, upper midwest, northeast as well as Virginia and Florida.

All the rest of us would need is for Texas to go back to being a territory of northern Mexico.

It would be poetic justice.


California was also part of Mexico. That is the part we should pay Mexico to take back.

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Sep 16, 2014 22:26:17   #
Ricktloml
 
swampbug wrote:
The real problem in religion today is that we have "something-for-nothing" religion lead by the "faith only" doctrine. Nobody is required to make any commitment to anything to "be saved". We need to be reminded that the devils and demons knew who and what Christ was but it didn't save them. Like in any other situation talk is cheap and it is even cheaper when the talker hasn't studied enough to have any idea what they are talking about. Like Paul told Timothy, "Study to show yourself approved..." Those teaching this doctrine will answer for the soles they lead astray.
If you showed your spouse the same love and attention that you give to Christ and His church, how long would you stay married?
Now tie this back to my original premise about politics. It is easy to see why those believing that God will give them eternal salvation for no effort on their part will expect the government to support them the same way. I suggest reading 2 Thessalonians 3; 10 - 12.
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Or as John Adams said:
While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned to us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation while it is practicing iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candor, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world; because we have no government armed with the power of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
For close to two hundred years America thrived following these principles, them we were told that honor, morality, decency, and religion was offensive to some people, and we now have a culture in the gutter, and politics are there as well

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Sep 16, 2014 23:15:10   #
Brian Devon
 
son of witless wrote:
California was also part of Mexico. That is the part we should pay Mexico to take back.




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California and Mexico seem comfortable with their relationship as is. It's the Texans who whine non-stop about the nation from whom they seceeded.

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Sep 17, 2014 00:27:03   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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I have looked at a red/blue map of the U.S. recently. It is overwhelmingly red especially in the places that have more cows than people. The cities, (you know, those people who decide presidential elections) are overwhelmingly blue.

There are even some very blue areas now in the south including N. Virginia, Charlotte, Atlanta, Austin, South Florida and San Antonio.

Of course the biggest enchilada of all, has its population centers a bright blue (except for San Diego).

Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Oakland, and Sacramento are all bright blue. These are the areas that control California's 55 electoral votes.

What's that you were saying about red/blue maps?
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Based on my study of the Bible, I have concluded that God would likely be a republican (red). That balances it out quite well so not to worry.

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Sep 17, 2014 05:26:26   #
Brian Devon
 
swampbug wrote:
Based on my study of the Bible, I have concluded that God would likely be a republican (red). That balances it out quite well so not to worry.






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Fortunately it is the constitution, not the Bible, that governs our political system.....so not to worry.

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Sep 17, 2014 08:51:49   #
son of witless
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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Fortunately it is the constitution, not the Bible, that governs our political system.....so not to worry.


The Constitution is only as good as the men and women who defend it. To Justice Roberts it is a document to be written into. To President Obama it is a roll of toilet paper.

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Sep 17, 2014 08:53:38   #
Hartbreaker
 
swampbug wrote:
Based on my study of the Bible, I have concluded that God would likely be a republican (red). That balances it out quite well so not to worry.


Based on my study of the Bible, God is a king and not interested in politics but rather more interested in the individual.

Based on my study of politics and what they do, not claim to believe in, no party really serves God. They serve themselves.

Lincoln said, he did not care whose side God was on but rather he wanted to be on God's side. God does not pick sides because he is the only side that is correct.

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Sep 17, 2014 08:53:45   #
son of witless
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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California and Mexico seem comfortable with their relationship as is. It's the Texans who whine non-stop about the nation from whom they seceeded.


I think that if you lived along a porous border you'd be whining like a couple of bad brakes.

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