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Sep 15, 2014 10:50:38   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
The present mess that we find our country in is directly linked to our loss of the principals that the nation was established and built on. It's not that God is punishing us but rather that we treat each other differently. When we replace love with hate, generosity with selfishness, and turn our backs on the basic social building block - the family - it should be no surprise that we will descend into anarchy. Our nation was built on freedom "of" religion, not freedom "from" religion. If we want to correct our problems we must return to our roots.

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Sep 15, 2014 11:16:30   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
swampbug wrote:
The present mess that we find our country in is directly linked to our loss of the principals that the nation was established and built on. It's not that God is punishing us but rather that we treat each other differently. When we replace love with hate, generosity with selfishness, and turn our backs on the basic social building block - the family - it should be no surprise that we will descend into anarchy. Our nation was built on freedom "of" religion, not freedom "from" religion. If we want to correct our problems we must return to our roots.
The present mess that we find our country in is di... (show quote)


It was founded on both. Read Jefferson. Principles can exist without religion, although I am a Christian myself. I hate that my religion has been taken over by people who want to judge and control other people. "Principal" is the guy in a school.

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Sep 15, 2014 11:21:37   #
Dodi
 
You are so right. And I am all for it but I believe we are living in the "last days" and the Bible teaches that at that time right will be wrong and wrong will be taught as right. Therefore, the "tolerance" we observe being taught and is to accept the "wrongs" while the "rights" are being condemned as narrow minded and intolerant. That is because "right" has limitations and with "wrong" even the basest behavior is alright, "if it feels right, do it".

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Sep 15, 2014 11:29:21   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Dodi wrote:
You are so right. And I am all for it but I believe we are living in the "last days" and the Bible teaches that at that time right will be wrong and wrong will be taught as right. Therefore, the "tolerance" we observe being taught and is to accept the "wrongs" while the "rights" are being condemned as narrow minded and intolerant. That is because "right" has limitations and with "wrong" even the basest behavior is alright, "if it feels right, do it".
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This weeks bible reading was about Jesus not coming to judge the people but to take their sins. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. It is not your job to judge right or wrong.

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Sep 15, 2014 11:39:18   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Dodi wrote:
You are so right. And I am all for it but I believe we are living in the "last days" and the Bible teaches that at that time right will be wrong and wrong will be taught as right. Therefore, the "tolerance" we observe being taught and is to accept the "wrongs" while the "rights" are being condemned as narrow minded and intolerant. That is because "right" has limitations and with "wrong" even the basest behavior is alright, "if it feels right, do it".
You are so right. And I am all for it but I belie... (show quote)


Moral relativism is now the concept even taught in schools. A major attempt to compare all cultures as if they are all equal has ended up with no right and wrong as it pertains to anything. When a tribe of people who lived a thousand years ago and believed that children should be sacrificed to the god of fire and that infertile women were to be driven out of the tribe to starve to death on their own, is considered morally superior and it is now common to say their beliefs are as valid as Christianity. The Romans who believed that children were to be used as sexual objects, and that slaughtering them when their use was no longer needed, are now considered as prime examples of culture. Many of the sexual mores of the past are used as validation for behavior today. So when an African tribe believed that boys should do oral sex on adult men because the sperm that the boys consumed would make them fertile men, parts of today's culture uses that to validate child molestation, for instance. Until we get back to a firm concept of right and wrong as written in the Bible we are going to drift more and more into" do it if you want, all things are equally fine" destruction of the society.
Think about it the statement that "There is no right and wrong" is by itself a contradiction.

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Sep 15, 2014 11:54:27   #
Dodi
 
I don't set my values on what went on in another country or another time. I take my values upon the Word of God and that hasn't change from country to country or time to time. What was right in the day of Adam and Eve has not changed it's basis. Right is still right and wrong is still wrong.

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Sep 15, 2014 12:58:07   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Dodi wrote:
I don't set my values on what went on in another country or another time. I take my values upon the Word of God and that hasn't change from country to country or time to time. What was right in the day of Adam and Eve has not changed it's basis. Right is still right and wrong is still wrong.


Adam and Eve only had one rule. Later there were the Ten commandments, then the laws of Moses. Then Jesus changed things up. Whats right and wrong changes even in the bible.

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Sep 15, 2014 15:53:31   #
Brian Devon
 
swampbug wrote:
The present mess that we find our country in is directly linked to our loss of the principals that the nation was established and built on. It's not that God is punishing us but rather that we treat each other differently. When we replace love with hate, generosity with selfishness, and turn our backs on the basic social building block - the family - it should be no surprise that we will descend into anarchy. Our nation was built on freedom "of" religion, not freedom "from" religion. If we want to correct our problems we must return to our roots.
The present mess that we find our country in is di... (show quote)






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If you want to return to your religious roots......great. However quite a few of us would prefer to not join you. Fortunately the U.S. Constitution doesn't require that we do so.

Good luck with that!

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Sep 15, 2014 22:09:06   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
I am a writer, not a speller but thanks for the point. I had that same problem all the way thru my book. You would think that as many times as I had to go back and correct it I would have learned. LOL

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Sep 15, 2014 22:12:01   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
My computer did that!!LOL It's ok though, we have a lot of the good ones of those also.

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Sep 15, 2014 22:14:05   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
For Brian You might be better off if you worried about God first and the constitution second.

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Sep 15, 2014 22:17:33   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
Thanks for all of your comments. I am impressed that there is this interest in this subject. Please click on my profile and click the link to me web site.

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Sep 15, 2014 22:28:11   #
rumitoid
 
swampbug wrote:
The present mess that we find our country in is directly linked to our loss of the principals that the nation was established and built on. It's not that God is punishing us but rather that we treat each other differently. When we replace love with hate, generosity with selfishness, and turn our backs on the basic social building block - the family - it should be no surprise that we will descend into anarchy. Our nation was built on freedom "of" religion, not freedom "from" religion. If we want to correct our problems we must return to our roots.
The present mess that we find our country in is di... (show quote)


You mean principles, not the administrators (principals) of schools. Check your spelling and the message will reach a broader audience.

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Sep 16, 2014 02:27:07   #
swampbug Loc: Ball Ground, Georgia
 
skott wrote:
Adam and Eve only had one rule. Later there were the Ten commandments, then the laws of Moses. Then Jesus changed things up. Whats right and wrong changes even in the bible.



What was right has always been right and wrong has always been wrong. What changed was how God communicated His will to mankind. From A and E to Moses communication was thru the patriarch of each family. From Moses to the death of Christ it was thru the Law of Moses. That law was fulfilled by the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and we now live in the Christian era where God communicated with us thru the scriptures (New Testament).For a better understanding of this I suggest you read my book. Check out my profile here.

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Sep 16, 2014 08:46:18   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
swampbug wrote:
What was right has always been right and wrong has always been wrong. What changed was how God communicated His will to mankind. From A and E to Moses communication was thru the patriarch of each family. From Moses to the death of Christ it was thru the Law of Moses. That law was fulfilled by the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and we now live in the Christian era where God communicated with us thru the scriptures (New Testament).For a better understanding of this I suggest you read my book. Check out my profile here.
What was right has always been right and wrong has... (show quote)



A great explanation of the full picture. God started out with two simple rules, then enhanced them and explained them further. He didn't change them, or reverse them. I don't think the moral relativists can or intend to understand that. It is easier to just say rules change do to situational ethics, and your morals are no better than Ted Bundy's or Jeffry Dahmer's, all morals are relative, so do what ever you want, it's all the same.

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