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Apr 17, 2024 16:24:49   #
son of witless
 
DASHY wrote:
Having sex and lying about it is not a crime. If it was a crime, Trump would be in jail now serving a life sentence.

In the Stormy Daniels case Trump has been charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Trump is accused of trying to buy Daniels’s silence over an affair that allegedly occurred while his wife Melania Trump was pregnant with their child, Barron.

The trial will have broad consequences, and its outcome may reflect on the three other criminal indictments Trump faces, particularly those that concern his behavior during the 2020 election. Prosecutors are set to argue that the hush-money payments were “part of a deliberate plan to help Trump’s 2016 election".
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I am shocked at your courage to give me an answer, and thank you. " Prosecutors are set to argue that the hush-money payments were “part of a deliberate plan to help Trump’s 2016 election". "

So Trump paid blackmail. What is the crime ? How is paying blackmail to deliberately help a campaign a crime ? Plus if I am not mistaken the statute of limitations on the state charge of falsifying records has run out.

Also, why was Stormy Daniels not prosecuted for violating the terms of her agreement with Trump ?

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Apr 17, 2024 16:29:42   #
DASHY
 
WEBCO wrote:
My mistake. Bill paid her because he sexually assaulted her, while she was an employee under him, then lied about it under oath. That's much better than paying someone to keep quiet about a consensual relationship, which she denies ever happened. You are making the case for this being a two tiered justice system.

He will get convicted, by a clearly biased jury pool, then win on appeal. If it's not thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct. Cohen is not a very good witness on a horrible indictment.
My mistake. Bill paid her because he sexually assa... (show quote)


I am not making a case for anything. I am pointing you to the facts that have been reported. It sounds like you are assuming Traitor Trump will lose once again when you admit "He will get convicted.....on a horrible indictment." After that we will all have to listen to Toddler Trump rant and rave about being treated unfairly.

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Apr 17, 2024 16:40:29   #
DASHY
 
son of witless wrote:
I am shocked at your courage to give me an answer, and thank you. " Prosecutors are set to argue that the hush-money payments were “part of a deliberate plan to help Trump’s 2016 election". "

So Trump paid blackmail. What is the crime ? How is paying blackmail to deliberately help a campaign a crime ? Plus if I am not mistaken the statute of limitations on the state charge of falsifying records has run out.

Also, why was Stormy Daniels not prosecuted for violating the terms of her agreement with Trump ?
I am shocked at your courage to give me an answer,... (show quote)


I expect these questions will be answered during the course of the trial. The Love/Hate relationship between Horny Donny and Stormy Daniels will unfold in court.

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Apr 17, 2024 16:59:42   #
son of witless
 
DASHY wrote:
I expect these questions will be answered during the course of the trial. The Love/Hate relationship between Horny Donny and Stormy Daniels will unfold in court.


So this is nothing more than a political show trial to embarrass Trump ? It should actually be about whether laws were broken.

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Apr 17, 2024 17:12:17   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
DASHY wrote:
I expect these questions will be answered during the course of the trial. The Love/Hate relationship between Horny Donny and Stormy Daniels will unfold in court.



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Apr 17, 2024 17:23:15   #
DASHY
 
son of witless wrote:
So this is nothing more than a political show trial to embarrass Trump ? It should actually be about whether laws were broken.


I am sure we will hear plenty of arguments about broken laws. Traitor Trump is already so embarrassed by his political and legal defeats he can barely rant in a complete sentence.

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Apr 17, 2024 20:19:48   #
WEBCO
 
DASHY wrote:
I am not making a case for anything. I am pointing you to the facts that have been reported. It sounds like you are assuming Traitor Trump will lose once again when you admit "He will get convicted.....on a horrible indictment." After that we will all have to listen to Toddler Trump rant and rave about being treated unfairly.


He is definitely being treated "differently" than anyone else ever has. Most people, rightfully, see this as political persecution.

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Apr 17, 2024 20:33:03   #
son of witless
 
DASHY wrote:
I am sure we will hear plenty of arguments about broken laws. Traitor Trump is already so embarrassed by his political and legal defeats he can barely rant in a complete sentence.


Since neither of us can know how this farce will turn out and neither of us is a lawyer, it seems futile to continue to discuss the legal aspects of this trial. However both of us believe that right is on our side, so lets us stick to the moral questions.

You seem all indignant that Donald J. Trump is not yet sitting in a one room room prison cell shackled to his cot. You are awfully high and mighty in your moral down looking of my boy Donald. That is fine because I acknowledge that he ain't no boy scout.

The contradiction I see is that for you to condemn Trump you must overlook the character faults of his main political rival President Joe Biden. Now I have spent scores, perhaps hundreds of posts detailing not only Joe's moral failings, but his incompetence, so I have decided instead to examine this prosecutor Alvin Bragg.

I guess it is just me, but ifin I lived where this stupid clown Bragg was DA I'd be spitting nails angry. DA Alvin Bragg has been bragging about how he is going after Donald J. Trump. I suppose he hopes this will make him a hero amongst the Leftists who are desperate to keep Trump from throwing Uncle Joe out of the Presidency.

I guess if you hate Trump it's all good, but Alvin Bragg's first duty is the safety of the people of Manhattan. Maybe he gets Trump or he doesn't, but he is supposed to protect his constituents by prosecuting dangerous, violent criminals preying on ordinary citizens. So how is this esteemed gentleman doing in his primary responsibility. Unsurprisingly, he is doing piss poor. I cite the following.

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nypd-officers-attacked-6-men-charged-more-suspects-still-at-large

" Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg initially stayed silent Friday when questioned by reporters on why a total of five suspects were released without bail after an attack on two NYPD officers by a group of migrant men last weekend. "

I doubt this is the only incidence where Bragg has allowed criminals to escape proper prosecution. I guess he is too busy making a name for himself with his political prosecution of Trump.

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Apr 17, 2024 20:35:22   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
son of witless wrote:
Since neither of us can know how this farce will turn out and neither of us is a lawyer, it seems futile to continue to discuss the legal aspects of this trial. However both of us believe that right is on our side, so lets us stick to the moral questions.

You seem all indignant that Donald J. Trump is not yet sitting in a one room room prison cell shackled to his cot. You are awfully high and mighty in your moral down looking of my boy Donald. That is fine because I acknowledge that he ain't no boy scout.

The contradiction I see is that for you to condemn Trump you must overlook the character faults of his main political rival President Joe Biden. Now I have spent scores, perhaps hundreds of posts detailing not only Joe's moral failings, but his incompetence, so I have decided instead to examine this prosecutor Alvin Bragg.

I guess it is just me, but ifin I lived where this stupid clown Bragg was DA I'd be spitting nails angry. DA Alvin Bragg has been bragging about how he is going after Donald J. Trump. I suppose he hopes this will make him a hero amongst the Leftists who are desperate to keep Trump from throwing Uncle Joe out of the Presidency.

I guess if you hate Trump it's all good, but Alvin Bragg's first duty is the safety of the people of Manhattan. Maybe he gets Trump or he doesn't, but he is supposed to protect his constituents by prosecuting dangerous, violent criminals preying on ordinary citizens. So how is this esteemed gentleman doing in his primary responsibility. Unsurprisingly, he is doing piss poor. I cite the following.

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nypd-officers-attacked-6-men-charged-more-suspects-still-at-large

" Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg initially stayed silent Friday when questioned by reporters on why a total of five suspects were released without bail after an attack on two NYPD officers by a group of migrant men last weekend. "

I doubt this is the only incidence where Bragg has allowed criminals to escape proper prosecuting. I guess he is too busy making a name for himself with his political prosecution of Trump.
Since neither of us can know how this farce will t... (show quote)


How about when he charged someone with Murder when they acted in self defence?

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Apr 17, 2024 20:39:11   #
son of witless
 
XXX wrote:
How about when he charged someone with Murder when they acted in self defence?


I was thinking about that one, but I did not remember the details. That likely was an even more miscarriage of justice by the grand standing anti Trump Democrat DA. Leftists only care about their hatred for Trump. Justice for the little people, well the little people can just go screw themselves. That is their attitude.

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Apr 18, 2024 07:15:17   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
son of witless wrote:
I was thinking about that one, but I did not remember the details. That likely was an even more miscarriage of justice by the grand standing anti Trump Democrat DA. Leftists only care about their hatred for Trump. Justice for the little people, well the little people can just go screw themselves. That is their attitude.



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Apr 18, 2024 08:48:29   #
DASHY
 
son of witless wrote:
Since neither of us can know how this farce will turn out and neither of us is a lawyer, it seems futile to continue to discuss the legal aspects of this trial. However both of us believe that right is on our side, so lets us stick to the moral questions.

You seem all indignant that Donald J. Trump is not yet sitting in a one room room prison cell shackled to his cot. You are awfully high and mighty in your moral down looking of my boy Donald. That is fine because I acknowledge that he ain't no boy scout.

The contradiction I see is that for you to condemn Trump you must overlook the character faults of his main political rival President Joe Biden. Now I have spent scores, perhaps hundreds of posts detailing not only Joe's moral failings, but his incompetence, so I have decided instead to examine this prosecutor Alvin Bragg.

I guess it is just me, but ifin I lived where this stupid clown Bragg was DA I'd be spitting nails angry. DA Alvin Bragg has been bragging about how he is going after Donald J. Trump. I suppose he hopes this will make him a hero amongst the Leftists who are desperate to keep Trump from throwing Uncle Joe out of the Presidency.

I guess if you hate Trump it's all good, but Alvin Bragg's first duty is the safety of the people of Manhattan. Maybe he gets Trump or he doesn't, but he is supposed to protect his constituents by prosecuting dangerous, violent criminals preying on ordinary citizens. So how is this esteemed gentleman doing in his primary responsibility. Unsurprisingly, he is doing piss poor. I cite the following.

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nypd-officers-attacked-6-men-charged-more-suspects-still-at-large

" Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg initially stayed silent Friday when questioned by reporters on why a total of five suspects were released without bail after an attack on two NYPD officers by a group of migrant men last weekend. "

I doubt this is the only incidence where Bragg has allowed criminals to escape proper prosecution. I guess he is too busy making a name for himself with his political prosecution of Trump.
Since neither of us can know how this farce will t... (show quote)




Later in the day, Bragg spoke at a news conference where he said that he had no proof that four of the migrants had fled the state, but that the matter is under further investigation.

"We do not tolerate people assaulting police officers, but in a court of law, our profound obligation is to make sure we have the right people charged with the right crimes," Bragg said.

President Biden has not been charged with any crimes. Former president Trump is the right person being charged with the right crimes.

I condem Traitor Trump for his criminal acts. Desperate Trump is in the process of appealing some court decisions that have found him guilty. Billionaire Trump is now in the process of begging his MAGA followers for bond money. It is true that informed patriotic Americans are determined to keep Criminal Trump from repeating his piss poor job as President of the United States.

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Apr 18, 2024 09:54:59   #
son of witless
 
DASHY wrote:
Later in the day, Bragg spoke at a news conference where he said that he had no proof that four of the migrants had fled the state, but that the matter is under further investigation.

"We do not tolerate people assaulting police officers, but in a court of law, our profound obligation is to make sure we have the right people charged with the right crimes," Bragg said.

President Biden has not been charged with any crimes. Former president Trump is the right person being charged with the right crimes.

I condem Traitor Trump for his criminal acts. Desperate Trump is in the process of appealing some court decisions that have found him guilty. Billionaire Trump is now in the process of begging his MAGA followers for bond money. It is true that informed patriotic Americans are determined to keep Criminal Trump from repeating his piss poor job as President of the United States.
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Still here ? You are the bravest Leftist on OPP. Alvin Bragg does not care about prosecuting real criminals. No he don't. That you would believe anything this man says is on you. I have read numerous media reports, even those on your side all say the suspects have fled.

President Biden, like Hillary will never be charged with anything. Democrats control the prosecutors in America. That Hunter was charged for his crimes was a royal screw up on Democrats part. Nothing Trump was charged with would ever be brought against a Democrat.

To get back to Bragg,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/bodega-clerk-who-was-jailed-for-defending-his-life-sues-woke-da-alvin-bragg-for-racial-discrimination/ar-AA1hzEae

" Former bodega clerk Jose Alba, who was arrested after stabbing a man to death in self-defense in New York City, is fighting back.

" Alba, who spent six days in Rikers Island before a groundswell of complaints and definitive video evidence made the charge against him untenable, is suing Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and the New York City Police Department for racial discrimination, according to the New York Post. "

Bragg is a POS who should never have power over another human being. What say you ?

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Apr 18, 2024 12:11:26   #
DASHY
 
son of witless wrote:
Still here ? You are the bravest Leftist on OPP. Alvin Bragg does not care about prosecuting real criminals. No he don't. That you would believe anything this man says is on you. I have read numerous media reports, even those on your side all say the suspects have fled.

President Biden, like Hillary will never be charged with anything. Democrats control the prosecutors in America. That Hunter was charged for his crimes was a royal screw up on Democrats part. Nothing Trump was charged with would ever be brought against a Democrat.

To get back to Bragg,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/bodega-clerk-who-was-jailed-for-defending-his-life-sues-woke-da-alvin-bragg-for-racial-discrimination/ar-AA1hzEae

" Former bodega clerk Jose Alba, who was arrested after stabbing a man to death in self-defense in New York City, is fighting back.

" Alba, who spent six days in Rikers Island before a groundswell of complaints and definitive video evidence made the charge against him untenable, is suing Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and the New York City Police Department for racial discrimination, according to the New York Post. "

Bragg is a POS who should never have power over another human being. What say you ?
Still here ? You are the bravest Leftist on OPP. A... (show quote)


It looks like the case against Alba was handled in a manner consistent with legal protocol. Mayor Eric Adams, who had earlier expressed his support for Alba, said the DA’s office made the right decision in asking to dismiss the charge. However, lawyers for the city claimed in a Friday court filing that they had reason to charge Alba based on the available evidence, which includes testimony from Simon's girlfriend, witness testimony, and surveillance video of the incident.

"As detailed in our motion, under the circumstances there was sufficient probable cause to arrest and prosecute Mr. Alba," a city Law Department spokesman said.

It is as sad joke to try to compare the criminal acts of Traitor Trump with any politician living today. Last year, Donald Trump became the first former president of the United States to be criminally indicted. Over the span of five months, he was indicted in four separate criminal cases and charged on a total of 91 felony counts. Attacking the DA's office is the only thing left for the MAGA faithful to talk about.

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Apr 18, 2024 20:23:27   #
son of witless
 
DASHY wrote:
It looks like the case against Alba was handled in a manner consistent with legal protocol. Mayor Eric Adams, who had earlier expressed his support for Alba, said the DA’s office made the right decision in asking to dismiss the charge. However, lawyers for the city claimed in a Friday court filing that they had reason to charge Alba based on the available evidence, which includes testimony from Simon's girlfriend, witness testimony, and surveillance video of the incident.

"As detailed in our motion, under the circumstances there was sufficient probable cause to arrest and prosecute Mr. Alba," a city Law Department spokesman said.

It is as sad joke to try to compare the criminal acts of Traitor Trump with any politician living today. Last year, Donald Trump became the first former president of the United States to be criminally indicted. Over the span of five months, he was indicted in four separate criminal cases and charged on a total of 91 felony counts. Attacking the DA's office is the only thing left for the MAGA faithful to talk about.
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I love your stubbornness in the face of the truth. " "As detailed in our motion, under the circumstances there was sufficient probable cause to arrest and prosecute Mr. Alba," a city Law Department spokesman said. "

You quote municipal bureaucrats. Did you personally look at the events that Mr. Alba had to endure ? I remember reading about this happening and thinking these New York officials are persecuting an innocent man. That you can continue this defense of Bragg stuns me.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/new-york-bodega-stabbing-video-b2120418.html

" What happened next – when a struggle broke out and Mr Alba stabbed Mr Simon – was edited from the footage.

Previously-seen footage of the physical altercation shows Mr Simon violently shoving Mr Alba against the shelves, causing him to fall back and land in a chair by the wall.

Mr Simon continues to square up in the shop worker’s face shouting at him before he then grabs Mr Alba by the back of his shirt and pulls him up out of his chair out of the counter area.

At that point, the bodega worker grabs a knife from some shelves and begins to stab Mr Simon. The two men struggle with much of the chaos unfolding off camera.

Footage from a third camera, obtained by the Post, shows the struggle between the two men and Mr Simon’s girlfriend also grabbing Mr Alba in the fight. "

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