So what is really going on? (Page 6): I left the UAW in 1988 after being promoted. It was two hours pay per month when I left. If I remember correctly -- I've slept many times since...

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

AuntiE wrote:

As you mentioned higher level employees receiving more pay, maybe you should take a look at salary, benefits, etc. of the major union officers, as well as the ‘shop stewards’ or whatever they are called. Get back to us on that. Oh, and let us know how much members have to give up for those salaries.

I left the UAW in 1988 after being promoted. It was two hours pay per month when I left. If I remember correctly -- I've slept many times since then -- it was about $45 per month so it's probably almost $100 per month now.

Our local president worked at the union hall full-time and was paid by union dues.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

DASHY wrote:

Are you saying that workers do not benefit from the bargaining strength of unions because union officers also get benefits?

I am suggesting union leaders far exceed their benefits than do their members.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Parky60 wrote:

I left the UAW in 1988 after being promoted. It was two hours pay per month when I left. If I remember correctly -- I've slept many times since then -- it was about $45 per month.

If it was $45 in 1988, consider how high it is now!

If the union was all they claim, it is very interesting that not a single auto plant in Right to Work states is even willing to consider unionizing. VW being a prime example.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

AuntiE wrote:

If it was $45 in 1988, consider how high it is now!

If the union was all they claim, it is very interesting that not a single auto plant in Right to Work states is even willing to consider unionizing. VW being a prime example.

I don't know if you caught my edit but our local president "worked" full-time at the union hall being paid by union dues.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Parky60 wrote:

I don't know if you caught my edit but our local president "worked" full-time at the union hall being paid by union dues.

I did not catch it. I was feeding my face.

Frankly, the best example of union sketchy behavior is the VA. A significant number of employees spent more time on union activities as opposed to Veteran care.

Government unions should be banished from existence!

WEBCO

AuntiE wrote:

I did not catch it. I was feeding my face.

Frankly, the best example of union sketchy behavior is the VA. A significant number of employees spent more time on union activities as opposed to Veteran care.

Government unions should be banished from existence!

Yes they should

son of witless

DASHY wrote:

The charge against Trump is not about having an affair. It is about paying the sex partner not to blab about.

Is that more illegal than Bill Clinton felony lying under oath in a court of law when he said he did not have sex with Lewinski ? Clinton lost his law license. He should have gone to jail for lying under oath. He should have been thrown out of office, but neither of those two happened.

I will now restate my question. I want to see if you have the guts to answer. Since Clinton got off without real punishment, why should Trump not get the same treatment ?

DASHY

son of witless wrote:

Is that more illegal than Bill Clinton felony lying under oath in a court of law when he said he did not have sex with Lewinski ? Clinton lost his law license. He should have gone to jail for lying under oath. He should have been thrown out of office, but neither of those two happened.

I will now restate my question. I want to see if you have the guts to answer. Since Clinton got off without real punishment, why should Trump not get the same treatment ?

DASHY

Having sex and lying about it is not a crime. If it was a crime, Trump would be in jail now serving a life sentence.

In the Stormy Daniels case Trump has been charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Trump is accused of trying to buy Daniels’s silence over an affair that allegedly occurred while his wife Melania Trump was pregnant with their child, Barron.

The trial will have broad consequences, and its outcome may reflect on the three other criminal indictments Trump faces, particularly those that concern his behavior during the 2020 election. Prosecutors are set to argue that the hush-money payments were “part of a deliberate plan to help Trump’s 2016 election".

DASHY

AuntiE wrote:

I did not catch it. I was feeding my face.

Frankly, the best example of union sketchy behavior is the VA. A significant number of employees spent more time on union activities as opposed to Veteran care.

Government unions should be banished from existence!

If you are at all interested in learning more about the VA, AFGE "Best Union Contract" in Federal Government, you might want to start here: https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2023/08/va-afge-celebrate-best-union-contract-federal-government/389228/#:~:text=After%20six%20years%20of%20often

WEBCO

DASHY wrote:

Having sex and lying about it is not a crime. If ... (show quote)

Didn't bill Clinton pay Paula Jones $840,000 to keep quite about their sexual relationship? What is the difference?

Having sex with an intern and lying about it under oath are both crimes.

WEBCO

DASHY wrote:

If you are at all interested in learning more about the VA, AFGE "Best Union Contract" in Federal Government, you might want to start here: https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2023/08/va-afge-celebrate-best-union-contract-federal-government/389228/#:~:text=After%20six%20years%20of%20often

So back to shifty service for veterans and pay raises for those providing the inadequate care. Sounds like a lose/lose. Worse care and costs more money. Yep, that sums up government unions. All government unions need to be removed.

DASHY

WEBCO wrote:

Didn't bill Clinton pay Paula Jones $840,000 to keep quite about their sexual relationship? What is the difference?

Having sex with an intern and lying about it under oath are both crimes.

You can find the answer to your Paula Jones question here:
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/bill-clinton-paula-jones-not-hush-money-but-public-settlement-trump-indictment/536-72d4a595-853a-40bd-acd9-b646c9950f80

WEBCO

DASHY wrote:

You can find the answer to your Paula Jones question here:
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/bill-clinton-paula-jones-not-hush-money-but-public-settlement-trump-indictment/536-72d4a595-853a-40bd-acd9-b646c9950f80

My mistake. Bill paid her because he sexually assaulted her, while she was an employee under him, then lied about it under oath. That's much better than paying someone to keep quiet about a consensual relationship, which she denies ever happened. You are making the case for this being a two tiered justice system.

He will get convicted, by a clearly biased jury pool, then win on appeal. If it's not thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct. Cohen is not a very good witness on a horrible indictment.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

DASHY wrote:

If you are at all interested in learning more about the VA, AFGE "Best Union Contract" in Federal Government, you might want to start here: https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2023/08/va-afge-celebrate-best-union-contract-federal-government/389228/#:~:text=After%20six%20years%20of%20often

I am interested in the employees of the VA doing their jobs serving the needs of Veterans. It is what their overpaid derrières are there for. Most of them take government jobs because they lack skills to work outside of government.