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Apr 16, 2024 13:47:34   #
Cornflakes Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
Your conspiracy theories are too weak to hold back the overwhelming evidence.

For example, the Democrats have a strong democratic advantage. This is very evident in the popular vote which is quite simply a tally of everyone's vote. Trump has never won a popular vote. He lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016 and he lost it again in 2020, this time by 8 million votes.

So clearly, more Americans have been voting Democrat since at least 2016 and it appears this imparity is increasing. In 2016 Trump got lucky when the distortion of the electoral college worked in his favor. In 2020, it seems the 8 million vote deficit was too much for the electoral college to smear.

So your absurd claim that Democrats can't win without eliminating the EC has already been debunked and it's the Republicans, not the Democrats that are looking for ways to distort the will of the people.

Most people have no clue what the EC actually is or why it was established, which is why they don't understand how it's broken. It has nothing to do with protecting the small states, which is a rampant delusion often hoisted in a desperate attempt to validate the broken EC.

While The People elect their representatives with a popular vote, they do not technically vote for the president; Congress does. But to avoid corruption, a proxy called the Electoral College is used where electors are selected much like jurors are in a trial. Each state get's one elector per representative. So again, it's not about giving small states a boost, it's about avoiding the potential corruption that comes with allowing representatives to vote directly for a president.

This was actually very good design and it worked fine for over a century, but that's because representation expanded to keep up with the population thereby, insuring equal representation. Federalist 58 states that one of the “unequivocal objects” of the population census is “to augment the number of representatives … under the sole limitation that the whole number [of Representatives] shall not exceed one for every thirty thousand inhabitants.”

So, if two states each have 60,000 people, they would both have two representatives. If one of the states experiences a population boom resulting in 30,000 more people, a seat would be added to Congress to maintain a ratio of 1 for every 30,000. So now we have one state with 60,000 people and two representatives and the other with 90,000 people and three representatives... Everyone is equally represented.

All good so far...

But then Congress decided to stop expanding after the 1910 census and that's when the system broke. 1910 was in the middle of the industrial revolution and the states where industry was growing rapidly was experiencing massive population booms but without an expanding Congress, the people of these industrial states were forced to share one representative between 60,000 people or even more.

So it's not that there is anything wrong with the EC, per se. The problem is that it's based on the number of representatives which no longer provides equal representation for the people. So we have to ask ourselves. Is such unequal representation worth the rule that The People can't just vote for the president the same way they vote for their representatives, by popular vote?

Unfortunately, those in sparsely populated regions are fighting all efforts to fix the problem because the problem just happens to work in their favor. So my message to them is pretty simple... F u c k Y o u.

As for this nonsense that the EC is there to protect the little states, that comes from a combination of realizing that the current condition underlying the EC DOES give small states an unfair advantage and and effort to justify it by blurring the lines between the EC and past compromises, such as the 3/5th rule, which gave the southern states the advantage of counting each slave as 3/5ths of a person even though slaves couldn't vote. This was a compromise the northern states had to accept in order to get the southern states to sign on to the Constitution but since the Civil War, there has been no provision for "protecting" small states and that was NEVER the intention of the EC anyway.
Your conspiracy theories are too weak to hold back... (show quote)


Stup; I like that handle as it so much more fits your most exuding personality, what makes you believe a popular vote is better than Electoral College/ your portrayal of a rigged system is only touted by losers that have tried to buy the Oval Office by whatever crooked means/ the EC as you guys like to label it was installed to prevent such things from happening, surely that advanced education you always throw at people can see the logic here ( oh btw as a favor playing the race card with the 3/5 thing is really shallow)🤠

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Apr 16, 2024 14:14:21   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
LindaK wrote:
Certainly not always the case. Use CA as one example. Deep in debt, a huge number of illegals to support and a sanctuary state. Other huge expenses too.

Mattoid is correct. Red states do receive an oversized share of welfare. Your response really exposes your ignorance and now I will explain exactly why.

First of all, debt by itself doesn't mean shit. The country with the largest debt in the world is the United States, but the United States also has the worlds largest economy. Likewise, California has the largest economy in the union... In fact it's the 5th largest economy in the world.

Secondly, I don't see any proof that undocumented immigrants are a drain on the state. This is just something you racist say in your attempt to demonize brown people. You NEVER provide any evidence, just hearsay.

And being a sanctuary state is a point of honor. It means we stand up for the people described in the inscription on the Statue of Liberty and it was a giant middle-finger to Trump and his Nazi BS.

Finally, despite all these things, which you apparently think are bad, California still provides more money to the federal government than it takes, which means California is actually subsidizing those red welfare states.

So yes... Mattoid is correct and you're clueless.

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Apr 16, 2024 15:32:01   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
jimpack123 wrote:
The Trump train is full of lies and Trump sewer gas. Menthane Trump now that's a good handle for him


Nothing but explosive diarrhea escapes your lips regarding Trump yet a total acquiescence to Biden's intentional destruction of our Republic. You no longer qualify to be an American. You forfeited the original fought for and defended heritage, sacrificed for all patriotic freedom loving Americans in favor of those who will put your body in chains as they have already captured and enslaved your mind. You simply don't know it yet. It's astounding and Trump is actually incidental to the takeover and destruction of the Republic yet paramount to any hope of recovery. What other reason does the despotic Marxist Left have to try and utterly destroy this man? They fear him more than they fear our foreign enemies because they see Trump as a threat to their lust for absolute power.

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Apr 16, 2024 16:03:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
straightUp wrote:
Mattoid is correct. Red states do receive an oversized share of welfare. Your response really exposes your ignorance and now I will explain exactly why.

First of all, debt by itself doesn't mean shit. The country with the largest debt in the world is the United States, but the United States also has the worlds largest economy. Likewise, California has the largest economy in the union... In fact it's the 5th largest economy in the world.

Secondly, I don't see any proof that undocumented immigrants are a drain on the state. This is just something you racist say in your attempt to demonize brown people. You NEVER provide any evidence, just hearsay.

And being a sanctuary state is a point of honor. It means we stand up for the people described in the inscription on the Statue of Liberty and it was a giant middle-finger to Trump and his Nazi BS.

Finally, despite all these things, which you apparently think are bad, California still provides more money to the federal government than it takes, which means California is actually subsidizing those red welfare states.

So yes... Mattoid is correct and you're clueless.
Mattoid is correct. Red states do receive an overs... (show quote)



The five states that received the most federal aid were: I know Pric*. Not the same as welfare.

California ($162.9 billion)
New York ($110.2 billion)
Texas ($105.8 billion)
Florida ($58.8 billion)
Pennsylvania ($57.1 billion)

What state gets the most welfare money?
States With the Most Welfare Recipients
California – 1,911,000.
Florida – 1,632,000.
Texas – 1,595,000.
New York – 1,520,000.
Pennsylvania – 946,000.
Illinois – 904,000.
Georgia – 699,000.

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Apr 16, 2024 16:16:26   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
proud republican wrote:
Should illegal aliens be able to vote in local or general elections???


No. No Illegal aliens and legal aliens who are NOT citizens may vote. That is the law.

Why is everybody ignoring the obvious as we listen to the impeachment hearing of HHS Sec. Mayorkas?

Why has the HHS and Biden's Immigration Policy refused to process the LEGAL applications of 6 million foreigners first awaiting in line for the past 10 years to enter the USA?

WATCH LIVE: Mayorkas testifies as House GOP expected to deliver impeachment articles against him
PBS NewsHour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1ZWrix9IpA

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Apr 16, 2024 16:33:31   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
padremike wrote:
You betray Jesus by advocating the murder of 1.5 Billion children, His children, over the past 50 years. What you advocate is a sin far worse than what Judas did. Anytime we sin we betray Christ. To sin is to be human. To sin and not seek forgiveness is to be like the demons, like you.

Did Jesus forgive Judas? Judas never asked Jesus to forgive him. Isn't that the point, the issue?

I don't recall if we've discussed the lgbtq issue. Where do you stand here?


And now I'm not just a non Christian to you, I'm a demon?

I love as Christ loves. I live because He lives. He came to save the lost. Sinners, not the righteous. The main group He held in what, for Him, was almost contempt were the Pharisees. Paul was a high priest, a Sadducee, before He was confronted by the Lord on the road to Damascus. He was certainly legalistic enough to be one. Yet somehow, Jesus got through to him.

You once asked what my problem was with Paul's letters. It's that he allows his old legal nature as a high priest to take over. Christ is a living Lord, not black writing on papyrus. He sent the Holy Spirit to be our Guide. We just need to listen for that still small voice. Because He doesn't always speak with a voice of thunder.

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Apr 16, 2024 16:46:32   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
NotMAGA wrote:
And now I'm not just a non Christian to you, I'm a demon?

I love as Christ loves. I live because He lives. He came to save the lost. Sinners, not the righteous. The main group He held in what, for Him, was almost contempt were the Pharisees. Paul was a high priest, a Sadducee, before He was confronted by the Lord on the road to Damascus. He was certainly legalistic enough to be one. Yet somehow, Jesus got through to him.

You once asked what my problem was with Paul's letters. It's that he allows his old legal nature as a high priest to take over. Christ is a living Lord, not black writing on papyrus. He sent the Holy Spirit to be our Guide. We just need to listen for that still small voice. Because He doesn't always speak with a voice of thunder.
And now I'm not just a non Christian to you, I'm a... (show quote)


You know quite a bit.
As I recall, Paul was a tax collector.
God struck him blind to get his attention, as I recall.

God chooses all kinds of people to serve Him.

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Apr 16, 2024 16:53:10   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
straightUp wrote:
Mattoid is correct. Red states do receive an oversized share of welfare. Your response really exposes your ignorance and now I will explain exactly why.

First of all, debt by itself doesn't mean shit. The country with the largest debt in the world is the United States, but the United States also has the worlds largest economy. Likewise, California has the largest economy in the union... In fact it's the 5th largest economy in the world.

Secondly, I don't see any proof that undocumented immigrants are a drain on the state. This is just something you racist say in your attempt to demonize brown people. You NEVER provide any evidence, just hearsay.

And being a sanctuary state is a point of honor. It means we stand up for the people described in the inscription on the Statue of Liberty and it was a giant middle-finger to Trump and his Nazi BS.

Finally, despite all these things, which you apparently think are bad, California still provides more money to the federal government than it takes, which means California is actually subsidizing those red welfare states.

So yes... Mattoid is correct and you're clueless.
Mattoid is correct. Red states do receive an overs... (show quote)


Straightup responds to LindaK:
"First of all, debt by itself doesn't mean shit. The country with the largest debt in the world is the United States, but the United States also has the worlds largest economy. Likewise, California has the largest economy in the union... In fact it's the 5th largest economy in the world.
Secondly, I don't see any proof that undocumented immigrants are a drain on the state. This is just something you racist say in your attempt to demonize brown people. You NEVER provide any evidence, just hearsay."

Put on your hip-boots gang, it's time to march through this field of meadow muffins.

1) "debt by itself doesn't mean shit"
Really? How do you explain the new BRICS nations who have a new currency?

The Fed has printed so much counterfeit currency beyond the value of our GDP that the purchasing power of my dollar in the 1960s has been reduced to 25 Cents in my retirement. That is blatant theft of all working and retired people. This doesn't cover the theft of foreigners who bought US Treasury bonds or conducted trade with the USA when the money we print today is worthless tomorrow.

2) "Secondly, I don't see any proof that undocumented immigrants are a drain on the state. This is just something you racist say in your attempt to demonize brown people."

I am more worried about the WHITE Russian and Ukrainian Mafia oligarchs in our sanctuary cities funding the DNC.
We won't mention the 24,000 Red Chinese army illegally crossing our borders after passing through the Darien Gap of Panama moving through the caravans. (See Tucker Carlson Tonight 2/2/2024 interview with Bret Weisman this past February.)
Tucker Carlson's Exclusive Interview: Unmasking the Invasion with Bret Weinstein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BabRgl4uJcg

What Is Open Russia?
Open Russia was launched by Mikhail Khodorkovsky during an online conference held on September 20, 2014. The movement shares the name of the Open Russia Foundation established by Mr Khodorkovsky and Yukos Oil Company shareholders in 2001, with the aim of building and strengthening civil society in Russia.
https://khodorkovsky.com/what-is-open-russia/

Khodorkovsky, former owner of YUKOS Oil of the Russian Federation, is stationed in sanctuary city San Francisco, a partner with George Soros in the Ukrainian Revolution, is a communist mafioso wanted for murder by INTERPOL now funding the DNC. Most of these fleeing communists raided the Kremlin as the Berlin Wall came down, stashing their fortune in the Bank of Cypress and Allen Dulles' Bank of New York. Oh, yes, and he is Lily white. If you need references, I can provide volumes.

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Apr 16, 2024 16:56:02   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
padremike wrote:
Nothing but explosive diarrhea escapes your lips regarding Trump yet a total acquiescence to Biden's intentional destruction of our Republic. You no longer qualify to be an American. You forfeited the original fought for and defended heritage, sacrificed for all patriotic freedom loving Americans in favor of those who will put your body in chains as they have already captured and enslaved your mind. You simply don't know it yet. It's astounding and Trump is actually incidental to the takeover and destruction of the Republic yet paramount to any hope of recovery. What other reason does the despotic Marxist Left have to try and utterly destroy this man? They fear him more than they fear our foreign enemies because they see Trump as a threat to their lust for absolute power.
Nothing but explosive diarrhea escapes your lips r... (show quote)


Loser Mike you have this all in reverse as usual, You are the Modern day Judas

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Apr 16, 2024 17:22:40   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
eagleye13 wrote:
You know quite a bit.
As I recall, Paul was a tax collector.
God struck him blind to get his attention, as I recall.

God chooses all kinds of people to serve Him.


Matthew was the tax collector. Paul called himself a Pharisee, but others have said he was a Sadducee - they were the upper class folks. Pharisees could be from any social class. Both were well-versed in the hundreds of laws set down in the Torah that observant Jews were supposed to abide by.

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Apr 16, 2024 17:26:34   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Cornflakes wrote:
Stup; I like that handle as it so much more fits your most exuding personality, what makes you believe a popular vote is better than Electoral College/ your portrayal of a rigged system is only touted by losers that have tried to buy the Oval Office by whatever crooked means/ the EC as you guys like to label it was installed to prevent such things from happening, surely that advanced education you always throw at people can see the logic here ( oh btw as a favor playing the race card with the 3/5 thing is really shallow)🤠
Stup; I like that handle as it so much more fits y... (show quote)


3/5th a person when counting slaves was a compromise between northern and southern states. The south wanted slaves to be counted as a full person giving southern states more seats in the House of Representatives, (but slaves were still counted as livestock when it came to voting).

The Northern states then abolitionists, suggested the slaves counted only as 3/5ths a person, but nonetheless, were people, not livestock, and should vote. This is a prime example why majority rule (the tyranny of the mob as defined by James Madison who penned the Constitution), was equally dangerous the tyrant King George III and why we still maintain the Electoral College to retain minority rights. Has anybody here read "The Federalist Papers" or taken Hilldale College's free classes on the Constitution available on the Internet?

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Apr 16, 2024 17:29:47   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
jimpack123 wrote:
Loser Mike you have this all in reverse as usual, You are the Modern day Judas


Stupid is as stupid says and does. I sincerely hope you're young enough that if America is truly cursed by Leftist advocacy for murdering babies, promoting sexual perverts, debauchery and immorality and votes the Marxist into power, that you and others like you suffer horribly and deservedly for the pain & suffering you've caused to good people and for the destruction of the Republic. It could well be your prelude into hell.

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Apr 16, 2024 17:44:29   #
billlingle
 
Ready player 1 wrote:
Are you willing to allow non citizens to sit in a court room and decide your fate. Would that be acceptable to you? You seem to think it's ok if they vote, correct? How about them voting on local issues, like funding of schools ect. I'm just curious as to how you perceive the whole package. This is more than just about the presidency, it goes far beyond that.



Well you certainly are not the sharpest pencil in the librarians bun. Non citizens are not called upon to serve on juries nor do they vote. The criteria that you are seeking indicates that you are barely capable of perceiving a lunch bag let alone a package. You are right, though, that this entire fiasco goes further than the presidency. It also includes the half baked, incompetent, incapable dim wit lemmings who follow the Fat Rapist looking for a chance to sniff his behind. Members of congress who would normally fall into this category are excluded since they are each allocated a small piece of what smells cut fresh from his morning dump.

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Apr 16, 2024 18:13:39   #
billlingle
 
straightUp wrote:
It's "Berkeley", not "Berkley" and the school doesn't offer the programs my kids (1 son, 1 daughter) were interested in. It also has an 11% acceptance rate. My son's girlfriend went there (her GPA was 4.0)



Another huge reason that Universities are liberal is that liberals are free to think, hypothesize, investigate and do all the other thinks that they feel forward their understanding and education and wish to pass on their findings to the next generation so as to save them the time needed to find them out for themselves. The right winger appear to be stilted both in their scope of knowledge and understand but even more seriously are unwilling to even contemplate anything that they feel might incur the wrath of some dim wit that they have given the right to criticize them.

Conservatism by definition is an unwillingness to change. This accounts for them trying to promote slavery as a "trade school" where skills are taught that could advance the slaves in their later life by giving them a trade. They forget that that entire concept is contradictory to the concept of slavery and always has been. Slaves are born work, work, work then die. Conservatives lean towards white supremacy because in times gone by, being white was the first step to social acceptability and to prosperity. They are not fond of that unearned, undeserved advantage being weakened. The diminishing of religious fervor in the US means that the conservative authority gleaned from their assumed ability to declare what "God said. . ." is now laughed at. Hillsdale is a bastion of those whose dream of a "christian" society focuses around fascism.

Fat Donny may be the worst piece of protoplasm to ever go through the front door of the White House but he sure figured out how to appeal to all the malcontents and coat tail riders who were absolutely sure that they were due something because they were white and for no other reason. It's the only credit that he deserves. The rest of what he has done involves the advantage he has taken because of this new-found power and through the various bastardizations of the powers that it rendered.

So the long and the short is that if you don't like what can be learned via higher education, buy your kid a broom or a set of wrenches while they're children. By the time those skills are required they might have had enough time to get good at them.

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Apr 16, 2024 18:16:37   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
billlingle wrote:
Well you certainly are not the sharpest pencil in the librarians bun. Non citizens are not called upon to serve on juries nor do they vote. The criteria that you are seeking indicates that you are barely capable of perceiving a lunch bag let alone a package. You are right, though, that this entire fiasco goes further than the presidency. It also includes the half baked, incompetent, incapable dim wit lemmings who follow the Fat Rapist looking for a chance to sniff his behind. Members of congress who would normally fall into this category are excluded since they are each allocated a small piece of what smells cut fresh from his morning dump.
Well you certainly are not the sharpest pencil in ... (show quote)


https://georgiarecorder.com/2023/03/14/noncitizens-allowed-to-vote-in-some-local-elections-spurring-backlash-from-gop/

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