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Should the president of the United States be above the law and immune to prosecution for crimes committed during his time in office .
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Feb 8, 2024 22:33:55   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Don't patronize me. I'll come looking for you and bring cases of Bud Lite to embarrass an old mud Marine. 😬

Thanks, Mike, but I don't drink, nor do I embarrass easily.

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Feb 8, 2024 22:37:23   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Owie. That's gotta hurt. 💥🥴

Nah, Padre. Mikey being a Nancy-boy, he has never been taken seriously...nor should he be.

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Feb 8, 2024 23:08:40   #
tomhoff24
 
slatten49 wrote:
Yeah, he has to be.


Ask his previous wives.

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Feb 9, 2024 06:44:14   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 


Assuming your post is accurate, then the lawyer ir right. A SITTING President can not be prosecuted by any court in the land, except through impeachment by Congress. But once he is no longer President? No immunity other than what any USA citizen enjoys.
Isn't that what is going on with Trump, now that he has been out of office for over three years? Accused by various courts, but not yet proven?

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Feb 9, 2024 06:51:52   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
pegw wrote:
Here are some crimes Trump committed in office:
He made money from foreign powers, which is against the emoluments clause in the Constitution
He planned and executed an insurrection
He took documents and stored them almost in the open at Mar a Lago.
He used money for his election on himself
There is a lot more, but I don't want to type all day.


IN ORDER:
Unproven in Trumps case, but openly done and condoned for Democrats including Biden.
IUnproven.
Pure BS. Locked in secure rooms guarded by the Security is NOT "almost in the open".
Not proven.
And list them all, Bub, and we will knock them down as the fraudulent claims that they are.

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Feb 9, 2024 06:54:45   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
The Federal Appeals Court of the District of Columbia gave the number one reason that Donald Trump should not be President of the United States in its strongly-worded ruling that presidents are not immune to the laws that govern all Americans. I have quoted the sections in which senior judges of high standing accused Trump of an unprecedented assault on our great American democratic republic...

"We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power — the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count."

“Mr. Trump's stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review.”

“Former President Trump lacked any lawful discretionary authority to defy federal criminal law and he is answerable in court for his conduct. The President used his seat of power to attempt to unlawfully overstay his term as President and to displace his duly elected successor, all which would violate generally applicable criminal laws.”

“Former President Trump’s alleged efforts to remain in power despite losing the 2020 election were, if proven, an unprecedented assault on the structure of our government. He allegedly injected himself into a process in which the President has no role — the counting and certifying of the Electoral College votes — thereby undermining constitutionally established procedures and the will of the Congress.”
The Federal Appeals Court of the District of Colum... (show quote)


Then charge him for that. But it most certainly does not merit the accusation of being an insurrection.

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Feb 9, 2024 06:57:13   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
tomhoff24 wrote:
As well as any of us . Nobody is above the law.


Unless it specifically says so in the Constitution.

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Feb 9, 2024 07:03:11   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Wickedestoldwolf wrote:
"Trump appointed judges"? So you sound like you expect them to side with him because he appointed them. Tell the truth, are you saying these judges are traitors then? Or do you and your ilk just want something more to cry foul about, which you all would. You Dems throw that around all the time. Trump appointed judges. I remember when the Kavanaugh said Roe vs Wade was settled law and turned around a voted to kill it. What do you think changed his mind. All of em like, politicians flip on stuff all the time.
"Trump appointed judges"? So you sound l... (show quote)


Kavanaugh was right when he said Roe was settled law. It WAS at the time.
And then it was legally and rightfully challenged in the SCOTUS, and then it no longer was "settled".
Where do you get the flawed idea that 'settled" means "in perpetuity?

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Feb 9, 2024 07:19:40   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
But if is what the question is and if such has occurred there should be no immunity no matter who the president is .


Tom, virtually every single "crime" the Democrats have accused/charged Trump of are either process crimes 'committed' before he was president, or they are some variation of "we disagree with what he did, because it COULD possibly lead to X, Y, or Z!!!" It is all POLITICALLY motivated, and nothing more. Just like his TWO fake impeachments. In the Democrat's and leftist's eyes, they are only chargeable crimes because TRUMP supposedly committed them.
This is the abuse of power to which we conservatives are object, and will continue to do so.
The President is immune to direct prosecution during his tenure to PREVENT the avalanche of of lawsuits and criminal charges that would come rolling down from all over the country if they were allowed, designed to politically smother the current President in litigation, which is exactly what the Democrat's would have done to Trump. You KNOW this is true! The same clauses are protecting Biden form the same thing now.

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Feb 9, 2024 07:21:47   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
You are blaming the surge in immigration on Biden as if he allowed such with criminal intent .


Which is exactly what I think he did. But it has not been charged or proven in a court of law. Congress really should impeach him for the border crisis as a high crime, IMHO.

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Feb 9, 2024 08:24:03   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Which is exactly what I think he did. But it has not been charged or proven in a court of law. Congress really should impeach him for the border crisis as a high crime, IMHO.


What congress should do but it seems they will never do is fix the immigration system that is currently out of control and has been for decades . That would just make too much sense .

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Feb 9, 2024 12:08:20   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lashes-out-at-nation-destroying-ruling-after-presidential-immunity-defence-struck-down/ar-BB1hSxQ0?cvid=5af3c0ab29374670b389740701d540ed&ei=9


Apparently "only if you're a Democrat"?

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Feb 9, 2024 12:20:04   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
PeterS wrote:
The argument his lawyer made is that he could order Seal Team 6 to kill his political opponent and he couldn't be touched. If you agree with him simply say yes. If you don't then say no. If you can't do either why don't you find another thread to turn into an argument...


Wow, you realize that the judge posed that scanario and you are presenting it as Trumps defense. Twisted liar

Appeals court Judge Florence Pan posed the hypothetical question "“Could a president order SEAL Team Six to assassinate a political rival? That is an official act, an order to SEAL Team Six,” (Judge stated it is as an official act)

Pan said “He would have to be, and would speedily be impeached and convicted before the criminal prosecution,”

Sauer said. “I asked you a yes or no question,” Pan said.

Trumps attorney responded "If he were impeached and convicted first,” Sauer replied."

Judge Pan responded “So your answer is no,” Pan said."

Sauer responded, “My answer is qualified yes. There is a political process that would have to occur.”

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Feb 9, 2024 15:09:33   #
krhealeo2 Loc: Oklahoma
 
nonalien1 wrote:
I believe his lawyer is right. But once his term is up he can be prosecuted as a citizen. He can't pardon himself because he hasn't been convicted of anything . Once arrested as a citizen he no longer has the authority to pardon anyone so he will have to answer in court why he did what he did..
Also , realizing it's a crime , the seal team can refuse to follow orders without penalties.
At that point the president should be removed from office for abusing the power of the presidency.


Obama and Biden have much more to fear than Trump as both of them committed real crimes (Biden's crimes are still on going). If you're so slow you have no idea what crimes I'm speaking of it means you have your head so firmly stuck up your arse that trying to explain them would truly be a waste of time. Nevertheless it will be the Demo's who will rue the day they removed actions taken during a President's time in office to no longer have immunity from those actions while President. After all, every despicable act they accuse that Trump might do the Dimo President's have already committed, or in the case of Biden is committing.

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Feb 9, 2024 15:38:28   #
Mikeyavelli
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Tom, virtually every single "crime" the Democrats have accused/charged Trump of are either process crimes 'committed' before he was president, or they are some variation of "we disagree with what he did, because it COULD possibly lead to X, Y, or Z!!!" It is all POLITICALLY motivated, and nothing more. Just like his TWO fake impeachments. In the Democrat's and leftist's eyes, they are only chargeable crimes because TRUMP supposedly committed them.
This is the abuse of power to which we conservatives are object, and will continue to do so.
The President is immune to direct prosecution during his tenure to PREVENT the avalanche of of lawsuits and criminal charges that would come rolling down from all over the country if they were allowed, designed to politically smother the current President in litigation, which is exactly what the Democrat's would have done to Trump. You KNOW this is true! The same clauses are protecting Biden form the same thing now.
Tom, virtually every single "crime" the ... (show quote)

You mean the same clowns are protecting Biden now.

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