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Jan 16, 2023 13:00:10   #
Ricktloml
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
This should be raising the question of security . These documents that are so damn important need to have very tight security surrounding them so that they do not get mis handled-mis placed or merely taken from a secure location. Looks like the Biden case shows how lax controls are surrounding classified information and makes it easy not just for trump but for others to take documents home with them. We have a lot of Senators and Representatives sitting on committees that could very well get their hands on sensitive documents and not return them to the proper location .
This should be raising the question of security . ... (show quote)




President Trump had the documents at Mara Lago in one place/under lock and key...notified the Archives...they suggested a stronger lock which Trump provided. President Trump also had the legal authority to declassify documents...Vice-president Biden had no such authority. The only mis-handling of the documents at Mara Lago (which has Secret Service protection,) was by the weaponized FBI/DOJ who spread them out on the floor for a political photo op. Otherwise they were secure, (until the gestapo-like/completely political raid.) And then there is the timing. While the head of the International Biden Crime Family was vilifying President Trump about his handling of classified documents he KNEW that classified documents (that as vice-president he had no authority to possess)
had already been found in at least 3 different/unsecure places on Biden's property. I wonder how many classified/top secret documents Communist China is "storing" for Biden...as they were pumping millions of dollars into the Penn State office AFTER Biden stole these documents/made them available. There is no comparison between PRESIDENT Trump's handling of documents/VICE-president Biden's mishandling of documents/selling-out the country in his years long influence peddling schemes.

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Jan 16, 2023 13:14:57   #
Ricktloml
 
JoyV wrote:
Biden was NOT president when he removed the documents. / Trump WAS president when he removed the documents.

Other differences include:

Trump openly removed the documents and in fact in Dec 2016 was in communication with the FBI over what was too sensitive to be declassified. Of course the FBI would prefer nothing be declassified but Trump pressed to declassify far more documents than the FBI and DOJ were comfortable with. Many, especially the FBI and DOJ, knew all along he took many documents including ones which had previously been classified. / Biden hid the fact he took the documents and didn't vet them with the FBI. If he hadn't he would not have been able to take them as he had no authority to do so.

Trump stored the documents in a storeroom vetted by the FBI in a place protected both by Mar-A-Lago security and the Secret Service. / Biden had one batch not only at a University with minimal security, which received large funding by China, but also in an office which had been used as a campaign headquarters which must have had several people given access to the closet and other unauthorized people may have gained access to the closet. Others were in a garage and home which Hunter Biden had access to and Hunter was in the pay of the Chinese government not to mention a drug adict who might be unable to make good judgement calls during times he was under the influence.

Trump was in communication and under negotiation with the National Archives over which documents would be sent to them when his home was raided and his lawyers were excluded from even observing the search. / Biden's lawyers discovered the documents and were the ones doing the search and so could access classified documents which they might not have had clearance for until they turned them over to the proper authorities.

Trump was raided, despite his being open about having the documents. / Biden was not raided even when documents he had no authority to take were found in multiple locations unknown to the authorities. And they have no knowledge of how many other caches there are and where they might be located.

One additional piece of information. The DOJ had been slow walking the declassification ordered by Trump of several files and the FBI and DOJ were after Trump to return the Crossfire Hurricane documents which he had declassified in Dec 2016 and Biden wanted to reclassify. These documents were definitely part of what they took in the raid.
Biden was NOT president when he removed the docume... (show quote)


I wonder if President Trump didn't take the "Crossfire Hurrican" documents to keep them from mysteriously disappearing. After all these documents proved that Obama/Hillary/the Democrat/Communist Party/tech oligarchs tried to FRAME a sitting president/OVERTURN the results of the 2016 election/UNSEAT a duly elected president by using MANUFACTURED information/outright lying to the FISA Court, (on multiple occasions) in order to get bogus warrants to...SPY on President Trump/his campaign. And the left/Democrat/Communist Party has the unmitigated gall to mention/let only accuse President Trump of sedition/insurrection...well considering sedition/insurrection describes the actions of the left/Democrat/Communist Party perfectly, it's no surprise they want to shift the narrative away from themselves. And these traitorous/political thugs have NEVER been held accountable. No wonder they feel comfortable defrauding the American people

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Jan 16, 2023 13:38:29   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
Ricktloml wrote:
President Trump had the documents at Mara Lago in one place/under lock and key...notified the Archives...they suggested a stronger lock which Trump provided. President Trump also had the legal authority to declassify documents...Vice-president Biden had no such authority. The only mis-handling of the documents at Mara Lago (which has Secret Service protection,) was by the weaponized FBI/DOJ who spread them out on the floor for a political photo op. Otherwise they were secure, (until the gestapo-like/completely political raid.) And then there is the timing. While the head of the International Biden Crime Family was vilifying President Trump about his handling of classified documents he KNEW that classified documents (that as vice-president he had no authority to possess)
had already been found in at least 3 different/unsecure places on Biden's property. I wonder how many classified/top secret documents Communist China is "storing" for Biden...as they were pumping millions of dollars into the Penn State office AFTER Biden stole these documents/made them available. There is no comparison between PRESIDENT Trump's handling of documents/VICE-president Biden's mishandling of documents/selling-out the country in his years long influence peddling schemes.
President Trump had the documents at Mara Lago in ... (show quote)


As long as the Money, keeps pouring into the Biden coffers.....he cares not what happens to you, & me....&, sadly even the folks that stupidly elected him!

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Jan 16, 2023 14:13:31   #
hygrometer3
 
woodguru wrote:
Biden is president...

Trump would have had so much latitude if he had still been president the DOJ wouldn't have touched him...trump in his own words keeps saying a president can do anything.

Biden is president he can do anything...trump is a civilian, and laws apply to any civilian including the ex president.


Little-little man elf--you need to go back to 3rd grade and understand Presidents POWER and the VP power!!???

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Jan 16, 2023 15:06:06   #
SinnieK
 
woodguru wrote:
Biden is president...

Trump would have had so much latitude if he had still been president the DOJ wouldn't have touched him...trump in his own words keeps saying a president can do anything.

Biden is president he can do anything...trump is a civilian, and laws apply to any civilian including the ex president.


Only idiot would say that! Trump was President when he got these documents and Biden was a VP when he did which VP has no rights to access the classified documents. You investigate when the crime was committed not when it was exposed.

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Jan 16, 2023 15:11:28   #
fullspinzoo
 
JoyV wrote:
Biden was NOT president when he removed the documents. / Trump WAS president when he removed the documents.

Other differences include:

Trump openly removed the documents and in fact in Dec 2016 was in communication with the FBI over what was too sensitive to be declassified. Of course the FBI would prefer nothing be declassified but Trump pressed to declassify far more documents than the FBI and DOJ were comfortable with. Many, especially the FBI and DOJ, knew all along he took many documents including ones which had previously been classified. / Biden hid the fact he took the documents and didn't vet them with the FBI. If he hadn't he would not have been able to take them as he had no authority to do so.

Trump stored the documents in a storeroom vetted by the FBI in a place protected both by Mar-A-Lago security and the Secret Service. / Biden had one batch not only at a University with minimal security, which received large funding by China, but also in an office which had been used as a campaign headquarters which must have had several people given access to the closet and other unauthorized people may have gained access to the closet. Others were in a garage and home which Hunter Biden had access to and Hunter was in the pay of the Chinese government not to mention a drug adict who might be unable to make good judgement calls during times he was under the influence.

Trump was in communication and under negotiation with the National Archives over which documents would be sent to them when his home was raided and his lawyers were excluded from even observing the search. / Biden's lawyers discovered the documents and were the ones doing the search and so could access classified documents which they might not have had clearance for until they turned them over to the proper authorities.

Trump was raided, despite his being open about having the documents. / Biden was not raided even when documents he had no authority to take were found in multiple locations unknown to the authorities. And they have no knowledge of how many other caches there are and where they might be located.

One additional piece of information. The DOJ had been slow walking the declassification ordered by Trump of several files and the FBI and DOJ were after Trump to return the Crossfire Hurricane documents which he had declassified in Dec 2016 and Biden wanted to reclassify. These documents were definitely part of what they took in the raid.
Biden was NOT president when he removed the docume... (show quote)

Very well laid out. You should have been an attorney, Joy V.

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Jan 16, 2023 20:38:48   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
woodguru wrote:
Biden is president...

Trump would have had so much latitude if he had still been president the DOJ wouldn't have touched him...trump in his own words keeps saying a president can do anything.

Biden is president he can do anything...trump is a civilian, and laws apply to any civilian including the ex president.


Big diff when he took the docs he WASNT

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Jan 16, 2023 23:23:08   #
fullspinzoo
 
woodguru wrote:
Biden is president...

Trump would have had so much latitude if he had still been president the DOJ wouldn't have touched him...trump in his own words keeps saying a president can do anything.

Biden is president he can do anything...trump is a civilian, and laws apply to any civilian including the ex president.

At least a dozen people disagree with you. Just goes to show you how out to lunch you really are!

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Jan 17, 2023 07:00:16   #
fullspinzoo
 
bggamers wrote:
Big diff when he took the docs he WASNT


"Wood" only has about a dozen OPPers who disagree with him....and counting. Nobody is on his side, how typical. He couldn't bribe somebody to be in his corner.

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Jan 17, 2023 13:39:39   #
JoyV
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Very well laid out. You should have been an attorney, Joy V.


Nah. I'm more interested in Justice than winning points or trying to see how close the law can be skirted without actually violating it.

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