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May 2, 2022 19:48:10   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
PeterS wrote:
Our Republic is a form of Democracy. We know this because, throughout it, we hold elections, and the one with the most votes wins, or the proposition with the most votes wins...etc.

But conservatives, who hate Democrats and the Democracy they stand for refuse to acknowledge this, even though they are happy to take part in the process as it transpires.


It's a rather baffling position....

By their definition of "democracy" there are no democracies in the world...

Yet they keep going on about how the Ukraine is a fledgling democracy..And that's a good thing...

I'd call hypocrisy...But I suspect it's more a case of ignorance...

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May 2, 2022 19:57:54   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
PeterS wrote:
So you believe in the Rule of Law! Is that why Trump ignored it all the way through his presidency and you people cheered as he did it? Then there's your love affair with guns. You don't have guns because you believe in the rule of law but because you don't and if you get pissed off enough you'll use them to overthrow the government. You guys don't give an F--- about the rule of law unless it applies to minorities, women, gays, lesbians, or transgender. Then you care...and the rest of the time, not so much!

And postmodern bullshit??? Me thinks this is just bullshit as is the bulk of what comes out of your mouth...such as you men of the Republic could give a crap about the rule of law! That one is so funny I don't know when I'll be able to stop laughing...
So you believe in the Rule of Law! Is that why Tru... (show quote)

Hey Pete, if you're going too overthrow the government wouldn't you think it wise to have some weaponry.

Don't see any in your photos.

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May 2, 2022 20:01:08   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
Hey Pete, if you're going too overthrow the government wouldn't you think it wise to have some weaponry.

Don't see any in your photos.


Where's yours, Parky

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May 2, 2022 20:30:26   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
So you believe in the Rule of Law! Is that why Trump ignored it all the way through his presidency and you people cheered as he did it? Then there's your love affair with guns. You don't have guns because you believe in the rule of law but because you don't and if you get pissed off enough you'll use them to overthrow the government. You guys don't give an F--- about the rule of law unless it applies to minorities, women, gays, lesbians, or transgender. Then you care...and the rest of the time, not so much!

And postmodern bullshit??? Me thinks this is just bullshit as is the bulk of what comes out of your mouth...such as you men of the Republic could give a crap about the rule of law! That one is so funny I don't know when I'll be able to stop laughing...
So you believe in the Rule of Law! Is that why Tru... (show quote)
Now that you've got all that fallacious garbage off your chest, I hope you feel better.

Any time is a good time to stop manufacturing false impressions of who I am and what I believe.
That business about why I own guns is a real doozy.
I don't know how any rational person could come to such conclusions with nothing whatsoever to support it.
However, now that I think about it, it is good that you see me only as a figment of your imagination.
Here's a heads-up, that isn't me in there.

Politics does not define what is truth.
Put another way, Truth transcends politics.

I've asked other leftists, "What is truth?"
None have ventured an answer.
So, I'll ask you.
What is truth, Peter?

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May 2, 2022 20:35:17   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Where's yours, Parky

You ain't too bright. I was referring to Pete's photos.

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May 2, 2022 20:35:40   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
You ain't too bright. I was referring to Pete's photos.


I was referring to yours

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May 2, 2022 20:38:15   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I was referring to yours

Why would I supply any? I was referring to the narrative that those photos depicted "insurrectionists" yet that they had no weapons.

For a supposedly smart guy you sure are dumb.

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May 2, 2022 20:46:59   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Parky60 wrote:
Why would I supply any? I was referring to the narrative that those photos depicted "insurrectionists" yet that they had no weapons.

For a supposedly smart guy you sure are dumb.


Losing gray matter daily; makes one wonder what was in the COVID vaccines, or the drinking water.

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May 2, 2022 21:01:01   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Where's yours, Parky


Photos of what? Triggered tonight, are we?

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May 2, 2022 21:17:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TexaCan wrote:
Photos of what? Triggered tonight, are we?


It's morning...

Gorgeous day...

In the park watching my daughter play with her friends...

Pretending to be busy so I don't have to talk with the other parents...

What's to be triggered about???

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May 2, 2022 23:25:09   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
PeterS wrote:
So you believe in the Rule of Law! Is that why Trump ignored it all the way through his presidency and you people cheered as he did it? Then there's your love affair with guns. You don't have guns because you believe in the rule of law but because you don't and if you get pissed off enough you'll use them to overthrow the government. You guys don't give an F--- about the rule of law unless it applies to minorities, women, gays, lesbians, or transgender. Then you care...and the rest of the time, not so much!

And postmodern bullshit??? Me thinks this is just bullshit as is the bulk of what comes out of your mouth...such as you men of the Republic could give a crap about the rule of law! That one is so funny I don't know when I'll be able to stop laughing...
So you believe in the Rule of Law! Is that why Tru... (show quote)


https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2022/04/28/watch-chuck-todd-bitterly-admits-democrat-capitol-riot-investigation-ploy-not-going-as-planned-n557228

Watch: Chuck Todd Bitterly Admits Democrat Capitol Riot ‘Investigation’ Ploy Not Going as Planned
By Sister Toldjah | Apr 28, 2022 11:00 AM ET

Katherine Frey/The Washington Post via AP, Pool
We wrote Wednesday on how Democrats on Capitol Hill were coming to the painful (for them) realization that most voters were more concerned about kitchen table issues like inflation and putting food on the table than they were about the Democrats’ sham Capitol riot “investigation.”

For those who missed it, Axios reported that Democrats were telling them their concerns about how the leaks that are coming out of their probe are impacting voter perceptions, especially at a time when voters are “distracted by inflation, Ukraine and the lingering coronavirus pandemic.” Further, the news outlet also noted they had learned that a key goal of the Jan. 6 Committee was to build “drama, mystery — and widespread public interest — ahead of hearings slated for June and the release of its report later this summer.”

In other words, Democrats confirmed they’ve been trying to slow-roll the “investigation” in order to drag it out over a period of several months in a crucial election year – and that their efforts to manipulate the public were so far failing.

While it’s not clear that Chuck Todd and the panelists on his “Meet the Press Daily” program were aware of the Axios story, during a back-and-forth exchange Wednesday on how–in Todd’s words– Republicans were likely “gonna get power [in November] based on a lie,” it was discussed during the segment about how in one Republican Congressman’s words “nobody cares about January 6th except for the press”:

TODD: The irony, Eugene, here is I don’t know if this matters on the campaign trail – at all.

EUGENE SCOTT [THE WASHINGTON POST NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER]: Oh, it absolutely doesn’t. Yeah, [Republican Congressman] Glenn Grothman from Wisconsin told The Washington Post, “Nobody cares about January 6th except for the press.” He literally said that. And so as long as voters are not going to hold these lawmakers accountable for this, they don’t have anything to worry about.

TODD: I think I’ve seen – I have probably watched a thousand television ads this cycle, I think I’ve seen two on January 6th, Audrey. I mean, that is something. And even Kevin McCarthy, he’s not yet – he hasn’t – what the right has done with Nancy Pelosi, the left has not done with Kevin McCarthy, have they?

AUDREY FAHLBERG [REPORTER, THE DISPATCH]: I think that right now the Republicans are really trying to express that their voters care about inflation, the border, things like that. I mean, focusing on January 6th is simply not something that they care about. They always change the topic of conversation when I ask them about this, either in public or in private. So I think that it’s gonna continue to be like that leading up to the midterms.

TODD: And sadly […] even though what would be right for the history books, what would be right for this investigation, there is no upside for Kevin McCarthy to voluntarily participate in the January 6th investigation, is there?

Todd, a Democrat apologist if there ever was one, was visibly agitated during the discussion, clearly upset at having to admit that Republican refusals to play along were working, and that the left’s admitted tactics on dragging out the investigation into the midterms in hopes of gaining some political momentum were not going as planned:

The even worse news for Todd and his liberally biased guests is that Republicans aren’t brainwashing voters on how inflation is – understandably – more important and impactful to their everyday lives than a politically-motivated partisan witch hunt into the events of Jan. 6th.

Even Todd knows that voters themselves have been saying in the polls for months now that inflation and economic matters were among their top worries, with the Capitol riot investigation ranking low on their priority lists. Any political analyst worth their salt will tell you that come election time, if voters are struggling to make ends meet and to provide for their families, pretty much nothing else that is going on is going to matter to them more than that — and they will vote accordingly by punishing the party in power.

It’s just that simple, and no amount of teeth-gnashing and pearl-clutching from out of touch Beltway anchors and reporters will ever change that.

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May 3, 2022 02:11:52   #
PeterS
 
Parky60 wrote:
Hey Pete, if you're going too overthrow the government wouldn't you think it wise to have some weaponry.

Don't see any in your photos.

Let that be a lesson for next time...

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May 3, 2022 02:18:11   #
PeterS
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2022/04/28/watch-chuck-todd-bitterly-admits-democrat-capitol-riot-investigation-ploy-not-going-as-planned-n557228

Watch: Chuck Todd Bitterly Admits Democrat Capitol Riot ‘Investigation’ Ploy Not Going as Planned
By Sister Toldjah | Apr 28, 2022 11:00 AM ET

Katherine Frey/The Washington Post via AP, Pool
We wrote Wednesday on how Democrats on Capitol Hill were coming to the painful (for them) realization that most voters were more concerned about kitchen table issues like inflation and putting food on the table than they were about the Democrats’ sham Capitol riot “investigation.”

For those who missed it, Axios reported that Democrats were telling them their concerns about how the leaks that are coming out of their probe are impacting voter perceptions, especially at a time when voters are “distracted by inflation, Ukraine and the lingering coronavirus pandemic.” Further, the news outlet also noted they had learned that a key goal of the Jan. 6 Committee was to build “drama, mystery — and widespread public interest — ahead of hearings slated for June and the release of its report later this summer.”

In other words, Democrats confirmed they’ve been trying to slow-roll the “investigation” in order to drag it out over a period of several months in a crucial election year – and that their efforts to manipulate the public were so far failing.

While it’s not clear that Chuck Todd and the panelists on his “Meet the Press Daily” program were aware of the Axios story, during a back-and-forth exchange Wednesday on how–in Todd’s words– Republicans were likely “gonna get power [in November] based on a lie,” it was discussed during the segment about how in one Republican Congressman’s words “nobody cares about January 6th except for the press”:

TODD: The irony, Eugene, here is I don’t know if this matters on the campaign trail – at all.

EUGENE SCOTT [THE WASHINGTON POST NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER]: Oh, it absolutely doesn’t. Yeah, [Republican Congressman] Glenn Grothman from Wisconsin told The Washington Post, “Nobody cares about January 6th except for the press.” He literally said that. And so as long as voters are not going to hold these lawmakers accountable for this, they don’t have anything to worry about.

TODD: I think I’ve seen – I have probably watched a thousand television ads this cycle, I think I’ve seen two on January 6th, Audrey. I mean, that is something. And even Kevin McCarthy, he’s not yet – he hasn’t – what the right has done with Nancy Pelosi, the left has not done with Kevin McCarthy, have they?

AUDREY FAHLBERG [REPORTER, THE DISPATCH]: I think that right now the Republicans are really trying to express that their voters care about inflation, the border, things like that. I mean, focusing on January 6th is simply not something that they care about. They always change the topic of conversation when I ask them about this, either in public or in private. So I think that it’s gonna continue to be like that leading up to the midterms.

TODD: And sadly […] even though what would be right for the history books, what would be right for this investigation, there is no upside for Kevin McCarthy to voluntarily participate in the January 6th investigation, is there?

Todd, a Democrat apologist if there ever was one, was visibly agitated during the discussion, clearly upset at having to admit that Republican refusals to play along were working, and that the left’s admitted tactics on dragging out the investigation into the midterms in hopes of gaining some political momentum were not going as planned:

The even worse news for Todd and his liberally biased guests is that Republicans aren’t brainwashing voters on how inflation is – understandably – more important and impactful to their everyday lives than a politically-motivated partisan witch hunt into the events of Jan. 6th.

Even Todd knows that voters themselves have been saying in the polls for months now that inflation and economic matters were among their top worries, with the Capitol riot investigation ranking low on their priority lists. Any political analyst worth their salt will tell you that come election time, if voters are struggling to make ends meet and to provide for their families, pretty much nothing else that is going on is going to matter to them more than that — and they will vote accordingly by punishing the party in power.

It’s just that simple, and no amount of teeth-gnashing and pearl-clutching from out of touch Beltway anchors and reporters will ever change that.
https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2022/04/28/wat... (show quote)

So pissing all over the law matters not if people don't care? That just reinforces what I had to say. The Republican party has become a party of thugs who could give a shit about justice or the Rule of Law in this country, the latter of which used to be the main plank of Republicanism but no more!

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May 3, 2022 02:40:03   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few.

John Adams, America's first VP and second POTUS.
i Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon w... (show quote)

So if you don't believe that we are a democracy then prove it to yourself and don't vote in any of the elections yet to come. You sit there and conflate facts (interesting that you ask what Truth is later) that Democracy can only be one thing. Is a parliamentary system a Democracy? Those who have one certainly seem to think so. Yet you don't think that a Republic--built on the same framework of democratic principles--isn't a Democracy, but by some movement of your magic wand, something else! We aren't a direct Democracy, but our Republic, is a form of Democracy none the less...

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May 3, 2022 03:29:25   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
PeterS wrote:
So pissing all over the law matters not if people don't care? That just reinforces what I had to say. The Republican party has become a party of thugs who could give a shit about justice or the Rule of Law in this country, the latter of which used to be the main plank of Republicanism but no more!


And all along the democrats used to complain about the problem of illegal immigration; Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, etc. Turns out they were all just liars. I have just as much disdain for the RINOs who go along with the Democrats because they don't want any bad press from the media. They are willing to jeopardize our children and grandchildren's future by bankrupting the country.

Do you know what the study of economics is about? It is about scarcity and that you can't have everything that you want. Most politicians look at the American taxpayer as an unlimited supply of money to finance their stupid pet projects and dumb ideas. Rinos and Democrats alike. We have a President who is non-compos-mentis. Who is really calling the shots? Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, Rice, most of the holdovers from the Obama administration, and the swampy bureaucrats.

The one pissing on the law are ignorant people such as yourself who support the crooked politicians and favor more and bigger government.

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