Is America Republic or Democracy?
May 1, 2022 15:22:54 #
May 1, 2022 15:38:55 #
bggamers
Loc: georgia
proud republican wrote:
Thanks pr great post and really clears up a lot of back and forth on that subject here on opp
May 1, 2022 15:39:02 #
No USA is a republic. OK , I answered before I found the answer .......It is also a flawed democracy
May 1, 2022 16:06:33 #
proud republican
Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
bggamers wrote:
Thanks pr great post and really clears up a lot of... (show quote)
I thought this article was very interesting too..I think Airforceone should read it...
May 1, 2022 16:28:16 #
proud republican wrote:
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few.
John Adams, America's first VP and second POTUS.
May 1, 2022 16:34:18 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
Blade_Runner wrote:
i Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon w... (show quote)
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Not eternally, but we do have the rights of man under attack today! "Let's get'em!
May 1, 2022 18:00:11 #
bggamers
Loc: georgia
proud republican wrote:
I thought this article was very interesting too..I think Airforceone should read it...
Well, it would clarify and stop the argument about which the country is. Many of the articles written use both labels to describe this country depending on who is talking and who has what agenda. Many in this country do not realize as I that our country is actually BOTH. I think just this has added to the divide in our country. Seems like such a small thing but at this point, it has become a big issue
May 1, 2022 20:55:09 #
proud republican wrote:
It is a representative democracy, so both.
May 1, 2022 21:04:40 #
proud republican wrote:
A republic is a democracy....
This is like asking if a woman is a human or a homo Saipan...
May 1, 2022 21:22:49 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
A republic is a democracy....
This is like asking if a woman is a human or a homo Saipan...
This is like asking if a woman is a human or a homo Saipan...
Republic vs Democracy Video.
Democracy vs a Republic Perfectly Explained For Dummies
There’s a reason why the American founders created a republic, and not a democracy. Republics are the best form of government for protecting the individual from the tyranny of the majority. And there most certainly is a tyranny of the majority that always manifests in democratic style systems.
Here’s how it works: in democratic or republican systems, there is a kind of majority rule. In democracies, the 51% rules over the 49% and has total control. The 51% can do whatever it wants, because in democracies there are not structures in place to protect individual rights.
If 51% vote to steal your bike, you are without a bike. If 51% vote to kill you, you are out of a life. It does not matter if it is right or not, what the majority says is what happens.
A republic is different though, and it operates for the protection of the individual against the majority when they get out of control. It is very important to protect the rights of the individual in a political system, for that is how governments are limited in their power and scope.
Democracies provide arbitrary power to governments, giving them prerogative to do anything as long as “it’s what the people want.” In a free society, this is unacceptable.
Republican governments operate by electing officers who represent the interests of the people, and who are supposed to have more knowledge about politics than the average person. These people are effectively trustees of the citizenry.
In republican governments, the polity is governed by a written constitution that safeguards certain rights against tyrannical majorities. There are separations of power, courts, and layers of government to ensure that knee-jerk reactions do not become law.
This is the fundamental difference between a republic and a democracy: a republic protects you from arbitrary power, a democracy is nothing but arbitrary power.
May 1, 2022 21:25:06 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
I think even idiots are capable of understanding that there are various types of democracies...
Assuming that there is only one type of democracy is just ignorant...
May 1, 2022 21:26:06 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
A republic is a democracy....
This is like asking if a woman is a human or a homo Saipan...
This is like asking if a woman is a human or a homo Saipan...
Is woman a human, or a homo sapian?
Depends on the day, time of day, and many other factors.
Not a good comparison.
May 1, 2022 21:34:25 #
archie bunker wrote:
Is woman a human, or a homo sapian?
Depends on the day, time of day, and many other factors.
Not a good comparison.
Depends on the day, time of day, and many other factors.
Not a good comparison.
It was the best I could come up with
May 1, 2022 22:44:09 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yeah, I know, our founders were just a bunch of rich old white men who were dumber than a mud fence. I think even idiots are capable of understanding that there are various types of democracies...
Assuming that there is only one type of democracy is just ignorant...
Assuming that there is only one type of democracy is just ignorant...
Voting in elections doesn't necessarily a democracy make.
Look at Iran under the Ayatollah, Iraq under Saddam, Germany under Hitler, for example.
Iranians voted, Iraqis voted, Germans voted,
and if they didn't vote for the party in power,
they might get hung, shot or beheaded.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
Winston Churchill
"Democracies have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death."
James Madison
"Those who vote decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything."
Joseph Stalin.
James Madison, Property
29 Mar. 1792
Papers 14:266--68
This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."
In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.
In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.
In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.
He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.
He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.
He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.
In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.
Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.
Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.
Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.
According to this standard of merit, the praise of affording a just securing to property, should be sparingly bestowed on a government which, however scrupulously guarding the possessions of individuals, does not protect them in the enjoyment and communication of their opinions, in which they have an equal, and in the estimation of some, a more valuable property.
More sparingly should this praise be allowed to a government, where a man's religious rights are violated by penalties, or fettered by tests, or taxed by a hierarchy. Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that, being a natural and unalienable right. To guard a man's house as his castle, to pay public and enforce private debts with the most exact faith, can give no title to invade a man's conscience which is more sacred than his castle, or to withhold from it that debt of protection, for which the public faith is pledged, by the very nature and original conditions of the social pact.
That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest. A magistrate issuing his warrants to a press gang, would be in his proper functions in Turkey or Indostan, under appellations proverbial of the most compleat despotism.
That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called. What must be the spirit of legislation where a manufacturer of linen cloth is forbidden to bury his own child in a linen shroud, in order to favour his neighbour who manufactures woolen cloth; where the manufacturer and wearer of woolen cloth are again forbidden the economical use of buttons of that material, in favor of the manufacturer of buttons of other materials!
A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.
If there be a government then which prides itself in maintaining the inviolability of property; which provides that none shall be taken directly even for public use without indemnification to the owner, and yet directly violates the property which individuals have in their opinions, their religion, their persons, and their faculties; nay more, which indirectly violates their property, in their actual possessions, in the labor that acquires their daily subsistence, and in the hallowed remnant of time which ought to relieve their fatigues and soothe their cares, the influence [inference?] will have been anticipated, that such a government is not a pattern for the United States.
If the United States mean to obtain or deserve the full praise due to wise and just governments, they will equally respect the rights of property, and the property in rights: they will rival the government that most sacredly guards the former; and by repelling its example in violating the latter, will make themselves a pattern to that and all other governments.
May 1, 2022 22:48:22 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, I know, our founders were just a bunch of ri... (show quote)
Educate yourself...
https://www.legit.ng/1172436-different-types-democracy-world.html#:~:text=Types%20of%20democracy%201%20Direct%20democracy.%20Direct%20democracy,the%20same%20time%20maintaining%20the%20democratic%20society%20model.
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