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Jan 30, 2022 11:17:18   #
Godsncotrl
 
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Jan 30, 2022 11:23:31   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
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What happened to your God’s In Control mantra? You should have no concern about either or.

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Jan 30, 2022 11:38:15   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
According to the CDC, some 95% of new Covid cases are the Omicron variant. You know, the one the vaccines don't prevent? Tell us more about getting jabbed.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-omicron-now-95-percent-of-all-new-us-covid-19-cases_4192999.html?utm_source=CCPVirusNewsletter&


Smedly Smedly your behind as omicron slithers OUT the door it's brother is slithering in Omicron or (BA 1) and welcome (BA 2) European countries have noted it but it's spreading faster several cases found in the USA their not sure what this one has in store as it is slightly different. ARE we surprised NO!!! this is the never-ending story Fauci must be in seventh heaven

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Jan 30, 2022 11:44:26   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
keepuphope wrote:
Trump opened up the gates to fast track the vaxx. The pharma companies are responsible for the side effects not Trump he just made it possible for them to get it going. They are worried about making as much money as possible not helping people. As is evidence of them pushing it even after harmful side effect are now known.Always before this with the reports of harm done by the vaxx would have been shut down last year according to the standard policies from all other vaxxed before this on.


if the vax is so bad then why did your hero Trump get the vax and why does he still call for people to get the vax, just give a honest answer if you can

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Jan 30, 2022 12:03:09   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
jimpack123 wrote:
if the vax is so bad then why did your hero Trump get the vax and why does he still call for people to get the vax, just give a honest answer if you can


Because he believed in the pharmacy doing a good job for their country he was a little naive. The only bad thing that trump needed to learn is that just about the whole DC political scene is corrupt and into depopulation and the UN and pushing socialism and teaching Americans to comply with the authority of the government. If perchance he does retake the white house he needs to kick all their sorry buts out not worry about the poor dears having a job like he did before. Pharmacy is all about the money and hey as a part two to the virus a poison jab works well don't you think all those heart issues and sudden deaths no telling how many vaccine deaths because I dought their reporting the real number

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Jan 30, 2022 12:07:13   #
Big Kahuna
 
rumitoid wrote:
[My lung cancer surgery was cancelled because of a Covid surge that took up all the intake beds; that was a month and a half ago. That delay caused problems in re-scheduling. Other complications developed because of it. A decision will be made about the possibility of the operation on 2/3. What once appeared to be a manageable procedure over a small spot of cancer is now being reviewed. This is not a unique problem but a common one, which does not seem to be something the Anti-vaxxers considered. That is just a fact. I am not against an Anti-vaxxer being treated for the virus; that is not humane. However, such a decision as to refuse sound medical advice that threatens the general public should know what such a decision may entail and consider it.

[If I race through a residential neighborhood at 80 because I feel that Speed Limits somehow violate my "personal freedom" and I kill one or people due to that recklessness, I should not get a gold star as a patriot.]

Portsmouth Herald
D. Allan Kerr
Fri, January 28, 2022, 9:00 PM


Apparently, folks who don’t want to get vaccinated against COVID feel they’re being persecuted for what they consider a personal choice. Their thinking, I guess, is if others are safe from the coronavirus after getting jabbed, why does everyone else have to do so as well?

But seems to me anti-vaxers don’t have any such reluctance to take up hospital beds when they suffer serious effects of COVID themselves, which seems kind of hypocritical. I mean, if you’re going to commit, then commit all the way.

Walk the walk, baby. Otherwise, you’re just making a half-assed stand – denouncing medicine that could save you if you get hit with this thing, but then embracing it when you wind up suffering the consequence of your own actions.

If you reject the jab, reject the hospital bed as well.

That’s one of the reasons vaccinated people get annoyed with the anti-vaxers. Those who reject vaccines claim it’s nobody’s business but their own, but whenever there’s a COVID-related surge hospitals seem to run out of beds, and the anti-vaxxers are taking up a lot of them.

As a result, other folks who need medical care are not getting the attention they need. In December, the ICU of Dover’s Wentworth-Douglass Hospital was at more than 100 percent capacity. Maine Gov. Janet Mills recently deployed the National Guard in her state to assist overburdened hospital staffers.

Just recently there was a news article about a Massachusetts pizza shop owner who died, after contracting COVID, while waiting to get transferred to a hospital where he could be properly treated. This 68-year-old gentleman was at a Southbridge, Massachusetts, hospital but when his kidneys started shutting down, that facility could no longer provide the care he needed.

His family contacted hospitals within a 75-mile radius trying to find one with available space, according to USA Today, but by the time they found a place in Connecticut, he was too sick to be transferred. He died this past December.

The deceased shop owner wasn’t vaccinated, and in fact “didn’t believe” in it. I’m not mentioning this private citizen by name because it’s not essential to this piece – the intent isn’t to mock or diminish the poor guy, but to illustrate a point.

Sometimes, when someone who’s taken the jab winds up testing positive for COVID, we hear anti-vaxers try to point it out as evidence the vaccine doesn’t work. They’re being disingenuous, of course, sometimes willfully. Just about every responsible medical professional will tell you the vaccine is not a guarantee against attracting COVID, but it hugely decreases the likelihood you will die from it.

I’ve asked myself more than once how many stories anti-vaxxers have to hear of like-minded folks who opposed vaccines, became ill from the coronavirus they had downplayed, and then expressed regret from their death bed. At one point last summer, a string of conservative talk radio hosts – including one who called himself “Mr. Anti-Vax” – downplaying COVID concerns all wound up dying after they were hit with it.

Marc Bernier, the 65-year-old Florida radio host who called himself “Mr. Anti-Vax,” wound up being hospitalized with COVID-19 for three weeks before he died last August. Earlier that same month, another 65-year-old Florida host named Dick Farrel, who had called Dr. Anthony Fauci a “power tripping lying freak,” also died from COVID. But not before texting friends and urging them to take the shot he had rejected.

“He told me this virus is no joke and he said, ‘I wish I had gotten it!” one of his friends reported after Farrel’s death.

When yet another conservative 65-year-old radio host – Nashville, Tennessee’s Phil Valentine – was hospitalized with COVID last summer, he posted on his Facebook page, “Yes, the rumors are true. I have COVID. Unfortunately for the haters out there, it looks like I'm going to make it.”

A couple weeks later, his station released this statement:

“Phil would like for his listeners to know that while he has never been an ‘anti-vaxer’ he regrets not being more vehemently ‘pro-vaccine,’ and looks forward to being able to more vigorously advocate that position as soon as he is back on the air, which we all hope will be soon.”

But Valentine didn’t get that chance. He too died in August, the same month as his Florida colleagues.

Caleb Wallace of Texas was only 30 years old when he died from COVID that same August, leaving behind three kids and a pregnant wife. As founder of a group called the San Angelo Freedom Defenders, Wallace had organized rallies against masks and mandates.

To his credit, Wallace didn’t want to go to the hospital when he got sick – not because he opposed taking a bed from some other patient but, according to his wife, because he didn’t want to add to COVID statistics. In fact, he initially refused to get tested, even after displaying symptoms. He treated himself by taking Vitamin C, aspirin and the livestock dewormer ivermectin.

By the time he did go to a hospital, it was too late to do anything for him. He had to go on a ventilator and his wife had to start a GoFundMe page to help pay medical bills.

Again, these deaths all occurred during just one month last summer.

By refusing to take the shot, a sizable chunk of the population is keeping COVID and its various strains alive and thriving, which also annoys those who want to tame the coronavirus. One could argue these folks are just wiping each other out, but that wouldn’t be very nice to say.

I just recently had a positive test result and it hasn’t been a pleasant experience. But I received the vaccine last year and, after some nagging from my 80-year-old mother, got the booster shot this month.

So, it could be worse. At least I’m not adding to the burden of overworked local hospitals.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kerr-reject-vaccine-reject-hospital-040004460.html
My lung cancer surgery was cancelled because of a... (show quote)


Following your rationale any justice who ruled in favor of abortion and whose judgment caused 65 million babies to be murdered should have to pay for their consequences. The Demorat party should not even be allowed to exist as they support abortion and murder of infants on demand. Sorry about your bed but go look at all the graves of these murdered infants.

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Jan 30, 2022 12:51:13   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
jimpack123 wrote:
what I don't understand is that Trump used operation warp speed to get the COVID vaccines but because he lost so many Trumpsters don't want to get vaccinated, Poor Trump he just can't win by 2024 if he is still alive and runs again there will be so many Trumpsters died from this that Biden will win again. darn fake news lol


You don’t need to keep proving to us how uneducated you are. All Trump did was cut the tons of red tape that usually clogs up any drug being released to the public. We were in a spreading pandemic. I imagine there was a risk/ reward analysis done and they determined it was more beneficial to remove traditional “safeguards” then wait years for a fully vetted vaccine. Most people I know that are not getting the vaccines reasons have nothing to do with Trump. Has much more to do with messaging and transparency. The hardest hit community is the minority community. Think they’re a bunch of Trumpsters? Only a POS would find pleasure in a certain segment of the population dying.

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Jan 30, 2022 13:05:05   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
JFlorio wrote:
You don’t need to keep proving to us how uneducated you are. All Trump did was cut the tons of red tape that usually clogs up any drug being released to the public. We were in a spreading pandemic. I imagine there was a risk/ reward analysis done and they determined it was more beneficial to remove traditional “safeguards” then wait years for a fully vetted vaccine. Most people I know that are not getting the vaccines reasons have nothing to do with Trump. Has much more to do with messaging and transparency. The hardest hit community is the minority community. Think they’re a bunch of Trumpsters? Only a POS would find pleasure in a certain segment of the population dying.
You don’t need to keep proving to us how uneducate... (show quote)


there you go talking about Trump again lol

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Jan 30, 2022 13:09:09   #
son of witless
 
jimpack123 wrote:
where do you fit in witless ?


Fit in ? I assume you want to know how often I go in to a hospital ? About once every 5 years or so. I think the last time was about 7 years ago so I am way over due. Since we are getting real personal, what is your story ?

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Jan 30, 2022 13:16:16   #
Ri-chard Loc: 23322
 
rumitoid wrote:
[My lung cancer surgery was cancelled because of a Covid surge that took up all the intake beds; that was a month and a half ago. That delay caused problems in re-scheduling. Other complications developed because of it. A decision will be made about the possibility of the operation on 2/3. What once appeared to be a manageable procedure over a small spot of cancer is now being reviewed. This is not a unique problem but a common one, which does not seem to be something the Anti-vaxxers considered. That is just a fact. I am not against an Anti-vaxxer being treated for the virus; that is not humane. However, such a decision as to refuse sound medical advice that threatens the general public should know what such a decision may entail and consider it.

[If I race through a residential neighborhood at 80 because I feel that Speed Limits somehow violate my "personal freedom" and I kill one or people due to that recklessness, I should not get a gold star as a patriot.]

Portsmouth Herald
D. Allan Kerr
Fri, January 28, 2022, 9:00 PM


Apparently, folks who don’t want to get vaccinated against COVID feel they’re being persecuted for what they consider a personal choice. Their thinking, I guess, is if others are safe from the coronavirus after getting jabbed, why does everyone else have to do so as well?

But seems to me anti-vaxers don’t have any such reluctance to take up hospital beds when they suffer serious effects of COVID themselves, which seems kind of hypocritical. I mean, if you’re going to commit, then commit all the way.

Walk the walk, baby. Otherwise, you’re just making a half-assed stand – denouncing medicine that could save you if you get hit with this thing, but then embracing it when you wind up suffering the consequence of your own actions.

If you reject the jab, reject the hospital bed as well.

That’s one of the reasons vaccinated people get annoyed with the anti-vaxers. Those who reject vaccines claim it’s nobody’s business but their own, but whenever there’s a COVID-related surge hospitals seem to run out of beds, and the anti-vaxxers are taking up a lot of them.

As a result, other folks who need medical care are not getting the attention they need. In December, the ICU of Dover’s Wentworth-Douglass Hospital was at more than 100 percent capacity. Maine Gov. Janet Mills recently deployed the National Guard in her state to assist overburdened hospital staffers.

Just recently there was a news article about a Massachusetts pizza shop owner who died, after contracting COVID, while waiting to get transferred to a hospital where he could be properly treated. This 68-year-old gentleman was at a Southbridge, Massachusetts, hospital but when his kidneys started shutting down, that facility could no longer provide the care he needed.

His family contacted hospitals within a 75-mile radius trying to find one with available space, according to USA Today, but by the time they found a place in Connecticut, he was too sick to be transferred. He died this past December.

The deceased shop owner wasn’t vaccinated, and in fact “didn’t believe” in it. I’m not mentioning this private citizen by name because it’s not essential to this piece – the intent isn’t to mock or diminish the poor guy, but to illustrate a point.

Sometimes, when someone who’s taken the jab winds up testing positive for COVID, we hear anti-vaxers try to point it out as evidence the vaccine doesn’t work. They’re being disingenuous, of course, sometimes willfully. Just about every responsible medical professional will tell you the vaccine is not a guarantee against attracting COVID, but it hugely decreases the likelihood you will die from it.

I’ve asked myself more than once how many stories anti-vaxxers have to hear of like-minded folks who opposed vaccines, became ill from the coronavirus they had downplayed, and then expressed regret from their death bed. At one point last summer, a string of conservative talk radio hosts – including one who called himself “Mr. Anti-Vax” – downplaying COVID concerns all wound up dying after they were hit with it.

Marc Bernier, the 65-year-old Florida radio host who called himself “Mr. Anti-Vax,” wound up being hospitalized with COVID-19 for three weeks before he died last August. Earlier that same month, another 65-year-old Florida host named Dick Farrel, who had called Dr. Anthony Fauci a “power tripping lying freak,” also died from COVID. But not before texting friends and urging them to take the shot he had rejected.

“He told me this virus is no joke and he said, ‘I wish I had gotten it!” one of his friends reported after Farrel’s death.

When yet another conservative 65-year-old radio host – Nashville, Tennessee’s Phil Valentine – was hospitalized with COVID last summer, he posted on his Facebook page, “Yes, the rumors are true. I have COVID. Unfortunately for the haters out there, it looks like I'm going to make it.”

A couple weeks later, his station released this statement:

“Phil would like for his listeners to know that while he has never been an ‘anti-vaxer’ he regrets not being more vehemently ‘pro-vaccine,’ and looks forward to being able to more vigorously advocate that position as soon as he is back on the air, which we all hope will be soon.”

But Valentine didn’t get that chance. He too died in August, the same month as his Florida colleagues.

Caleb Wallace of Texas was only 30 years old when he died from COVID that same August, leaving behind three kids and a pregnant wife. As founder of a group called the San Angelo Freedom Defenders, Wallace had organized rallies against masks and mandates.

To his credit, Wallace didn’t want to go to the hospital when he got sick – not because he opposed taking a bed from some other patient but, according to his wife, because he didn’t want to add to COVID statistics. In fact, he initially refused to get tested, even after displaying symptoms. He treated himself by taking Vitamin C, aspirin and the livestock dewormer ivermectin.

By the time he did go to a hospital, it was too late to do anything for him. He had to go on a ventilator and his wife had to start a GoFundMe page to help pay medical bills.

Again, these deaths all occurred during just one month last summer.

By refusing to take the shot, a sizable chunk of the population is keeping COVID and its various strains alive and thriving, which also annoys those who want to tame the coronavirus. One could argue these folks are just wiping each other out, but that wouldn’t be very nice to say.

I just recently had a positive test result and it hasn’t been a pleasant experience. But I received the vaccine last year and, after some nagging from my 80-year-old mother, got the booster shot this month.

So, it could be worse. At least I’m not adding to the burden of overworked local hospitals.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kerr-reject-vaccine-reject-hospital-040004460.html
My lung cancer surgery was cancelled because of a... (show quote)


Yes, don't get their clot and kill shot, and by all means don't let them murder you in their hospital following the administration's protocol for killing you with another poison and ventilator for money.

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Jan 30, 2022 13:41:57   #
rumitoid
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
According to the CDC, some 95% of new Covid cases are the Omicron variant. You know, the one the vaccines don't prevent? Tell us more about getting jabbed.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-omicron-now-95-percent-of-all-new-us-covid-19-cases_4192999.html?utm_source=CCPVirusNewsletter&


The vaccine is not meant specifically to prevent the virus but to tame it.

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Jan 30, 2022 13:43:59   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
rumitoid wrote:
The vaccine is not meant specifically to prevent the virus but to tame it.

And my how that story has changed since the beginning, and continues to change, as time goes on.

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Jan 30, 2022 13:47:47   #
American Vet
 
rumitoid wrote:
The vaccine is not meant specifically to prevent the virus but to tame it.


Then it is not a "vaccine".

Definition: Vaccine is a substance which contains either killed or weakened configuration of disease-causing agent to provide immunity for that disease.
https://collegedunia.com/exams/vaccine-definition-types-of-vaccines-immunization-biology-articleid-2953

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Jan 30, 2022 14:02:40   #
keepuphope Loc: Idaho
 
jimpack123 wrote:
if the vax is so bad then why did your hero Trump get the vax and why does he still call for people to get the vax, just give a honest answer if you can


Because for those who have cormorbidites and the elderly so far they seem to help their immune systems but for those who are healthy and kids they cause more harm than good. It's not a one size fits all thing.

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Jan 30, 2022 14:03:08   #
Rose42
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***If you reject the vaccine, reject the hospital bed too
>>>What a stupid statement. If you get sick or a permanent disability from the VAX, shots, reject the hospital bed too. If you die because of the VAX shots, don't let your family collect on your insurance.


Rumitoid wants his needs to be put above others. Thats what this is about - not whats right or wrong.

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