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What's the AntiVaxxer's Game plan? Do their actions help to win over Covid-19? Any goals for getting us back to normal?
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Nov 18, 2021 16:16:41   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
rumitoid wrote:
Is the common [i.e. greater] good ever considered?

Whenever the term ‘the greater good’ starts being bandied about, I know that something unpleasant is afoot. Civil discourse and respect for differing opinions have left the room and it’s time for Bad Cop to make his case. Utilitarianism is the view that teaches whatever benefits the greatest number of people is the right thing to do. It is the moral compass of the materialist.

And what we have been seeing these last many months with vaccine mandates, public banning, and various forms of social shaming is an outworking of the utilitarian view. “You don’t have to listen to a minority of people who are being harmful to the greater good,” says Don Lemmon of CNN. “The people who are not getting vaccines, who are believing the lies on the internet instead of science, it’s time to start shaming them. What else? Or leave them behind. Because they are keeping the majority of Americans behind.”

In contrast with utilitarianism, Jesus taught that even the smallest minority is important to Him, that the desires of the majority can never come at the expense of the minority, that the ends do not justify the means.

Margaret Sanger was one of the better-known eugenicists of the 20th century. She had lots of plans for the greater good. One of them included sterilizing people she deemed unfit for human propagation. Or, in her own words, “cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks—those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization” (Sanger, The New York Times, 8 Apr 1923).

As a eugenicist, Sanger succeeded beyond her wildest dreams. “Eugenic sterilization is one of the many indispensable measures in any modern program of social welfare,” declared Sanger’s Birth Control Review (Vol 17 No 4, 1933)—an influential issue, featuring an article from Dr. Ernst Rudin, Hitler’s Director of Genetic Sterilization and founder of the Nazi Gesellschaft fur Rassenhygiene [Society for Racial Hygiene]. Before Hitler was defeated and the full extent of his Final Solution was uncovered, eugenics was a widely celebrated science, endorsed by politicians, scientists, and celebrities alike (what would we do without celebrities?).

“After World War II, nobody was a eugenicist, and nobody had ever been a eugenicist,” writes the late author Michael Crichton. “In retrospect…there was no scientific basis for eugenics. The eugenics movement was really a social program masquerading as a scientific one” (Crichton, Why Politicized Science is Dangerous).

Millions perished under this coercively-applied weed treatment. The Greater Good, it turned out, was neither.

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Nov 18, 2021 19:09:25   #
Big dog
 
useful mattoid 45 wrote:
Big dog, that's a nice portrait of you ;)

You seem to be missing a toe or two. And wearing a dress that short is, ya know, inviting someone to rape you.

But, being an adult, I'm sure you knew that.





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Nov 19, 2021 06:45:50   #
debeda
 
rumitoid wrote:
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced less illness and death? Is that their intentions? Do they have any intentions to ease the scourge of this pandemic or is it just for their "personal freedom"?

Is the common good ever considered? How?

Are they at all concerned that what they are doing might be unforgivable?

What science are they using to justify their resistance against public health measures meant to slow the virus and protect especially vulnerable people who are likely to die from this disease? Is it from conspiracy theory sites or actual medial sites?

Are the continued worldwide surges, predominantly in the ranks of the unvaccinated and many exceeding former highs, an acceptable condition on their fight to...fight to...fight to--what?

Can they answer all these questions with positive results from their actions? Are there any verifiable improvements in the health of our nation? I am really curious. So are the sick and dying.
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced l... (show quote)


I'm wondering what the vaxxers game plan is. Even Gates and Fauci are admitting the "vaccines" are ineffective amid mounting reports of Covid hospitalizations and deaths among those that got the shot, and news of terrible side effects from the shots becoming to numerous to be ignored any longer.

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Nov 19, 2021 08:23:36   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
Parky60 wrote:
Why don't you STFU already?


....Thank you, Parky.

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Nov 19, 2021 08:28:39   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
Parky60 wrote:
Whenever the term ‘the greater good’ starts being bandied about, I know that something unpleasant is afoot. Civil discourse and respect for differing opinions have left the room and it’s time for Bad Cop to make his case. Utilitarianism is the view that teaches whatever benefits the greatest number of people is the right thing to do. It is the moral compass of the materialist.

And what we have been seeing these last many months with vaccine mandates, public banning, and various forms of social shaming is an outworking of the utilitarian view. “You don’t have to listen to a minority of people who are being harmful to the greater good,” says Don Lemmon of CNN. “The people who are not getting vaccines, who are believing the lies on the internet instead of science, it’s time to start shaming them. What else? Or leave them behind. Because they are keeping the majority of Americans behind.”

In contrast with utilitarianism, Jesus taught that even the smallest minority is important to Him, that the desires of the majority can never come at the expense of the minority, that the ends do not justify the means.

Margaret Sanger was one of the better-known eugenicists of the 20th century. She had lots of plans for the greater good. One of them included sterilizing people she deemed unfit for human propagation. Or, in her own words, “cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks—those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization” (Sanger, The New York Times, 8 Apr 1923).

As a eugenicist, Sanger succeeded beyond her wildest dreams. “Eugenic sterilization is one of the many indispensable measures in any modern program of social welfare,” declared Sanger’s Birth Control Review (Vol 17 No 4, 1933)—an influential issue, featuring an article from Dr. Ernst Rudin, Hitler’s Director of Genetic Sterilization and founder of the Nazi Gesellschaft fur Rassenhygiene [Society for Racial Hygiene]. Before Hitler was defeated and the full extent of his Final Solution was uncovered, eugenics was a widely celebrated science, endorsed by politicians, scientists, and celebrities alike (what would we do without celebrities?).

“After World War II, nobody was a eugenicist, and nobody had ever been a eugenicist,” writes the late author Michael Crichton. “In retrospect…there was no scientific basis for eugenics. The eugenics movement was really a social program masquerading as a scientific one” (Crichton, Why Politicized Science is Dangerous).

Millions perished under this coercively-applied weed treatment. The Greater Good, it turned out, was neither.
Whenever the term ‘the greater good’ starts being ... (show quote)


The sanger person was the Absolute Queen of the Karens...

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Nov 19, 2021 08:32:40   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
rumitoid wrote:
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced less illness and death? Is that their intentions? Do they have any intentions to ease the scourge of this pandemic or is it just for their "personal freedom"?

Is the common good ever considered? How?

Are they at all concerned that what they are doing might be unforgivable?

What science are they using to justify their resistance against public health measures meant to slow the virus and protect especially vulnerable people who are likely to die from this disease? Is it from conspiracy theory sites or actual medial sites?

Are the continued worldwide surges, predominantly in the ranks of the unvaccinated and many exceeding former highs, an acceptable condition on their fight to...fight to...fight to--what?

Can they answer all these questions with positive results from their actions? Are there any verifiable improvements in the health of our nation? I am really curious. So are the sick and dying.
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced l... (show quote)


Rumi your government wants to keep the pandemic fear going so they can continue to enforce these illegal mandates. They know once the declaration has been terminated then the Supreme Court will go back to enforcing the regular standard rights of the citizens. Right now they can get away with more because under a pandemic situation the Supreme Court has always ruled that there are extenuating circumstances that allow the government to do what they do “ in the best interest of the public.”

As for your questions~~So you tell me.. if both work about the same 6 month period( which I don’t believe) then whats the difference???


Science Brief: SARS-CoV-2 Infection-induced and Vaccine-induced Immunity
Updated Oct. 29, 2021
This brief provides an overview of the current scientific evidence regarding infection-induced and vaccine-induced immunity, including both peer-reviewed and preprint publications, as well as unpublished CDC data. Although comprehensive, it is neither a formal systematic review nor meta-analysis. New data continue to emerge, and recommendations will be updated periodically, as needed.

Recovery from many viral infectious diseases is followed by a period of infection-induced immunologic protection against reinfection. This phenomenon is widely observed with many respiratory viral infections, including both influenza and the endemic coronaviruses, for which acquired immunity also wanes over time making individuals susceptible to reinfection.

CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for all eligible persons, including those who have been previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/11/17/covid-19-natural-immunity-vs-vaccine-immunity-what-the-latest-science-says/

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Nov 19, 2021 09:45:55   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
rumitoid wrote:
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced less illness and death? Is that their intentions? Do they have any intentions to ease the scourge of this pandemic or is it just for their "personal freedom"?

Is the common good ever considered? How?

Are they at all concerned that what they are doing might be unforgivable?

What science are they using to justify their resistance against public health measures meant to slow the virus and protect especially vulnerable people who are likely to die from this disease? Is it from conspiracy theory sites or actual medial sites?

Are the continued worldwide surges, predominantly in the ranks of the unvaccinated and many exceeding former highs, an acceptable condition on their fight to...fight to...fight to--what?

Can they answer all these questions with positive results from their actions? Are there any verifiable improvements in the health of our nation? I am really curious. So are the sick and dying.
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced l... (show quote)


Can you really believe what your Government is telling you, that Government that is mandating your vaccine while exempting their own? That government that is dividing us between vax and unvaxed, left and right, black and white. Do you really believe a doctor that tells you one day you don't need something, then the next you do "Oh sorry, I'm a F,,,ing liar, I did it for the good of everybody". See I don't believe what our Gov is telling us about anything, what I am watching is the people I know in my own community and family. I have a 74 yr old fully recovered from Covid, 5 immediate family members-"all are doing better then us vaxed". All maintain high antibodies to covid yet the gov wants to force them to get vaxed. No thanks, If I could unvax I would, there will be no booster for me. I am not selfish, I'm taking care of my children's mother, my mom's daughter, my siblings sister and my friends friend. I owe you and yours "nothing" particularly since being treated so badly because I believe in choice".

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Nov 19, 2021 09:47:49   #
currahee506
 
rumitoid wrote:
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced less illness and death? Is that their intentions? Do they have any intentions to ease the scourge of this pandemic or is it just for their "personal freedom"?

Is the common good ever considered? How?

Are they at all concerned that what they are doing might be unforgivable?

What science are they using to justify their resistance against public health measures meant to slow the virus and protect especially vulnerable people who are likely to die from this disease? Is it from conspiracy theory sites or actual medial sites?

Are the continued worldwide surges, predominantly in the ranks of the unvaccinated and many exceeding former highs, an acceptable condition on their fight to...fight to...fight to--what?

Can they answer all these questions with positive results from their actions? Are there any verifiable improvements in the health of our nation? I am really curious. So are the sick and dying.
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced l... (show quote)


If you can't see the issue, then you are indeed a lost soul.

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Nov 19, 2021 10:13:20   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
rumitoid wrote:
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced less illness and death? Is that their intentions? Do they have any intentions to ease the scourge of this pandemic or is it just for their "personal freedom"?

Is the common good ever considered? How?

Are they at all concerned that what they are doing might be unforgivable?

What science are they using to justify their resistance against public health measures meant to slow the virus and protect especially vulnerable people who are likely to die from this disease? Is it from conspiracy theory sites or actual medial sites?

Are the continued worldwide surges, predominantly in the ranks of the unvaccinated and many exceeding former highs, an acceptable condition on their fight to...fight to...fight to--what?

Can they answer all these questions with positive results from their actions? Are there any verifiable improvements in the health of our nation? I am really curious. So are the sick and dying.
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced l... (show quote)

So much for ur promise to knock it off! You don’t have it in you! Shussssssh!

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Nov 19, 2021 10:13:52   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
One Patriot wrote:
I’ll make a deal with all of you left leaning sheeple.

When Biden stops letting the illegal aliens into this country with all of their diseases and stops flying those disease infected illegal aliens all over the country then I’ll think about getting the shot.

Until that happens, you can kiss my Gluteus Maximus.

Do we have a deal?


And Congress!

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Nov 19, 2021 10:15:48   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Rose42 wrote:
Unforgiveable…according to you.

Give it up rumitoid. You will never change anyone’s mind nor do you have a full grasp of the issue. You merely repeat propaganda and ask the same questions over and over

The fully vaxxed get sick and die too with an increasing frequency

But hey, keep trying to keep people divided rumitoid. Never in my life have I seen people shun family and friends over a shot. For something that has a 99% recovery rate. Society has gone nuts and there may be no going back
Unforgiveable…according to you. br br Give it u... (show quote)

He has a “fool” grasp rose!!

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Nov 19, 2021 10:15:59   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
microphor wrote:
Can you really believe what your Government is telling you, that Government that is mandating your vaccine while exempting their own? That government that is dividing us between vax and unvaxed, left and right, black and white. Do you really believe a doctor that tells you one day you don't need something, then the next you do "Oh sorry, I'm a F,,,ing liar, I did it for the good of everybody". See I don't believe what our Gov is telling us about anything, what I am watching is the people I know in my own community and family. I have a 74 yr old fully recovered from Covid, 5 immediate family members-"all are doing better then us vaxed". All maintain high antibodies to covid yet the gov wants to force them to get vaxed. No thanks, If I could unvax I would, there will be no booster for me. I am not selfish, I'm taking care of my children's mother, my mom's daughter, my siblings sister and my friends friend. I owe you and yours "nothing" particularly since being treated so badly because I believe in choice".
Can you really believe what your Government is tel... (show quote)


I've gained a new respect for you, Microphor. Some people are wandering around in their own world, and cannot be reasoned with. Facts, common-sense, experience...none of that matters to someone firmly attached to the media, and fellow wanderers. Stick to your choices...they seem to be working very well.

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Nov 19, 2021 10:36:43   #
meridianlesilie Loc: mars
 
rumitoid wrote:
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced less illness and death? Is that their intentions? Do they have any intentions to ease the scourge of this pandemic or is it just for their "personal freedom"?

Is the common good ever considered? How?

Are they at all concerned that what they are doing might be unforgivable?

What science are they using to justify their resistance against public health measures meant to slow the virus and protect especially vulnerable people who are likely to die from this disease? Is it from conspiracy theory sites or actual medial sites?

Are the continued worldwide surges, predominantly in the ranks of the unvaccinated and many exceeding former highs, an acceptable condition on their fight to...fight to...fight to--what?

Can they answer all these questions with positive results from their actions? Are there any verifiable improvements in the health of our nation? I am really curious. So are the sick and dying.
Has the fight against masks and vaccine produced l... (show quote)



Yes it helps we don't get sick .people that get the shot there immune system is compromised!!!!! So they get delta sickness

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Nov 19, 2021 11:26:55   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
microphor wrote:
Can you really believe what your Government is telling you, that Government that is mandating your vaccine while exempting their own? That government that is dividing us between vax and unvaxed, left and right, black and white. Do you really believe a doctor that tells you one day you don't need something, then the next you do "Oh sorry, I'm a F,,,ing liar, I did it for the good of everybody". See I don't believe what our Gov is telling us about anything, what I am watching is the people I know in my own community and family. I have a 74 yr old fully recovered from Covid, 5 immediate family members-"all are doing better then us vaxed". All maintain high antibodies to covid yet the gov wants to force them to get vaxed. No thanks, If I could unvax I would, there will be no booster for me. I am not selfish, I'm taking care of my children's mother, my mom's daughter, my siblings sister and my friends friend. I owe you and yours "nothing" particularly since being treated so badly because I believe in choice".
Can you really believe what your Government is tel... (show quote)

I wouldn't have believed it but this actually happened.

I was recently in my doctor's office and in the course of the appointment, he asked me if I had been jabbed. I replied to him that I had not. To which he said that it's very important that we all get the shot, pausing for a moment, then continuing, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME.

My jaw hit the floor!

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Nov 19, 2021 11:55:57   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
Parky60 wrote:
I wouldn't have believed it but this actually happened.

I was recently in my doctor's office and in the course of the appointment, he asked me if I had been jabbed. I replied to him that I had not. To which he said that it's very important that we all get the shot, pausing for a moment, then continuing, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME.

My jaw hit the floor!


My Doc's wife is the office manager (responsible for $) These people are good friends. I've done work at their home, had meals together. She urged me to get the shot, and for the first time in nine years wouldn't look me in the eye when she spoke.
Doc was a bit more transparent ;"It's YOUR decision"... He knew I'd call him out on the b.s.and that I had educated myself on the issue. F.J.B.

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