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Jun 6, 2014 16:14:35   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
America Only wrote:
Many whom post here have no clue about what you are sworn in when you decide to become a active duty member of the United States. The "policy" for some several decades has always been, if you are a member of any of the Armed Forces of the United States of America, there will NOT be any ransom paid for your release if held captive, by the United States of America. Further a policy of No Negotiations with terrorist that kidnap Service Men or Women.

"Leave no man behind"....from what factors have surfaced, this "kidnapped victim" was not "left behind", yet rather decided to GO behind. I seriously doubt any reports made to the media for the so called reasons of all the exchange of top terrorist for this one defector. If any of the terrorist really wanted to kill this "kidnapped victim", they would have already done so...they already had 5 years to do it...and decided to not kill him.. So really what is the truth here?

As rotten and sick and twisted as Obama really is, one concern I have and everyone else that can see into this pile of cat vomit named Obama should be looking at...he may not want to leave office when his term is up.....all he has to do is manipulate a way of saying "issued marshall law"....suspended all courts and ha beaus corpus, and to use "executive power" to suspend the actually US Constitution until further notice based upon "National Security Reasons" he himself manufactured to take place to begin with. There is already some evidence he has this planned already.....why else would there have been advertisement on the US Army Recruiter website that they are looking for "internment camp specialist", and the buying of billions of ammunition and weapons?......
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I AM ex-military, an NFO/RIO. And, at one time, back in '73, I thought I WAS going to become a POW. But, by God's grace, I was rescued. By your reasoning's, anyone held as a POW by our enemy is a traitor and a deserter. I sure am glad I wasn't captured. I might have been put in a prison camp for a few years and, like Bergdahl, been thought just as guilty as he is accused to be.

That said, I will reserve judgment on calling any soldier guilty of desertion, and/or treason, until a Court Marshall has pronounced its verdict. Until then, the ONLY person that knows the truth about Bergdhal is Bergdahl, himself. To call Bergdahl guilty of anything, now, is premature and goes against our principle of "innocent until PROVEN guilty, beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Oddly, that same principle is one of the ones I fought for and is also one of the ones that ALL service members fight for. Why trash it now; just because of your dislike of Obama? Go back and count the number of Taliban Bush2 released. Go read the history of John McCain. He was accused of "aiding and abetting the enemy" while a prisoner of North Vietnam. Where is your outrage over him and his actions? There is as much "evidence" to hang McCain as there is to hang Bergdahl.

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Jun 6, 2014 16:43:39   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
alabuck wrote:
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I AM ex-military, an NFO/RIO. And, at one time, back in '73, I thought I WAS going to become a POW. But, by God's grace, I was rescued. By your reasoning's, anyone held as a POW by our enemy is a traitor and a deserter. I sure am glad I wasn't captured. I might have been put in a prison camp for a few years and, like Bergdahl, been thought just as guilty as he is accused to be.

That said, I will reserve judgment on calling any soldier guilty of desertion, and/or treason, until a Court Marshall has pronounced its verdict. Until then, the ONLY person that knows the truth about Bergdhal is Bergdahl, himself. To call Bergdahl guilty of anything, now, is premature and goes against our principle of "innocent until PROVEN guilty, beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Oddly, that same principle is one of the ones I fought for and is also one of the ones that ALL service members fight for. Why trash it now; just because of your dislike of Obama? Go back and count the number of Taliban Bush2 released. Go read the history of John McCain. He was accused of "aiding and abetting the enemy" while a prisoner of North Vietnam. Where is your outrage over him and his actions? There is as much "evidence" to hang McCain as there is to hang Bergdahl.
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I will wait until an Article 36 has been held before judging him. This will determine if he is to be held for a Court Martial. However, I cannot dismiss what all his fellow soldiers, those in his platoon and squad, had to say about his conduct before, and after, his alleged "capture". If he is found guilty of charges brought forth against him, then he deserves the same punishment Pvt. Eddie Slovak received during WWII.

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Jun 6, 2014 17:51:59   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
alabuck wrote:
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I AM ex-military, an NFO/RIO. And, at one time, back in '73, I thought I WAS going to become a POW. But, by God's grace, I was rescued. By your reasoning's, anyone held as a POW by our enemy is a traitor and a deserter. I sure am glad I wasn't captured. I might have been put in a prison camp for a few years and, like Bergdahl, been thought just as guilty as he is accused to be.

That said, I will reserve judgment on calling any soldier guilty of desertion, and/or treason, until a Court Marshall has pronounced its verdict. Until then, the ONLY person that knows the truth about Bergdhal is Bergdahl, himself. To call Bergdahl guilty of anything, now, is premature and goes against our principle of "innocent until PROVEN guilty, beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Oddly, that same principle is one of the ones I fought for and is also one of the ones that ALL service members fight for. Why trash it now; just because of your dislike of Obama? Go back and count the number of Taliban Bush2 released. Go read the history of John McCain. He was accused of "aiding and abetting the enemy" while a prisoner of North Vietnam. Where is your outrage over him and his actions? There is as much "evidence" to hang McCain as there is to hang Bergdahl.
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Well said, Alabuck. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jun 7, 2014 13:33:58   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
alabuck wrote:
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I AM ex-military, an NFO/RIO. And, at one time, back in '73, I thought I WAS going to become a POW. But, by God's grace, I was rescued. By your reasoning's, anyone held as a POW by our enemy is a traitor and a deserter. I sure am glad I wasn't captured. I might have been put in a prison camp for a few years and, like Bergdahl, been thought just as guilty as he is accused to be.

That said, I will reserve judgment on calling any soldier guilty of desertion, and/or treason, until a Court Marshall has pronounced its verdict. Until then, the ONLY person that knows the truth about Bergdhal is Bergdahl, himself. To call Bergdahl guilty of anything, now, is premature and goes against our principle of "innocent until PROVEN guilty, beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Oddly, that same principle is one of the ones I fought for and is also one of the ones that ALL service members fight for. Why trash it now; just because of your dislike of Obama? Go back and count the number of Taliban Bush2 released. Go read the history of John McCain. He was accused of "aiding and abetting the enemy" while a prisoner of North Vietnam. Where is your outrage over him and his actions? There is as much "evidence" to hang McCain as there is to hang Bergdahl.
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Do you think you have the market cornered for having served in the Military?

If you are really a VET you would know you do not WALK off and leave your post. From that moment on, you are at fault. Same as a drunk driver. If you drive drunk and someone else hits you, it does not forgive what you had been doing yourself.

You can add any sort of caramel coating to what this individual has done, it does not change what he did.

As to the topic of McCain....entirely different story and I do not see him landing a plane in North Vietnam and deciding to go for a walk.....but maybe you have a different recall of history than the rest of us do.

I've pulled more than one American and Allies from POW camps during my service years so save your kleenex for someone that need it.

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Jun 7, 2014 13:41:27   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
America Only wrote:
Do you think you have the market cornered for having served in the Military?

If you are really a VET you would know you do not WALK off and leave your post. From that moment on, you are at fault. Same as a drunk driver. If you drive drunk and someone else hits you, it does not forgive what you had been doing yourself.

You can add any sort of caramel coating to what this individual has done, it does not change what he did.

As to the topic of McCain....entirely different story and I do not see him landing a plane in North Vietnam and deciding to go for a walk.....but maybe you have a different recall of history than the rest of us do.

I've pulled more than one American and Allies from POW camps during my service years so save your kleenex for someone that need it.
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It is amazing that those alleging to have been in the Military don't know the difference between Marshall and Martial.

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Jun 7, 2014 15:09:10   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
It is amazing that those alleging to have been in the Military don't know the difference between Marshall and Martial.


I have not once met anyone that made it through even just "boot camp" that was not drilled upon on how you do not, under any circumstance leave your post....for those that have served, they damned sure should recall "standing watch" in their barracks.....
"Halt, who goes there"....for some it must have been , "Oh just me some frigging clown that forgot where I was".....

To leave a post while on active duty even state side is bad enough, but to do it during a war? No excuse. And the fact his actions cost other members of the armed forces to die while out looking for him? This guy is a real "A" wipe.

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Jun 7, 2014 15:16:05   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
5 years ago the Taliban did not know America was in the hands of a useless dufus who would swap 5 generals for him. Would they keep him alive if he wasn't setting up American troops to be salughtered by roadside bombs hmmmmm?

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Jun 7, 2014 15:30:23   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
rjoeholl wrote:
Are you completely out of your GD mind?


rjoeholl-At41 is totally misguided and cannot differentiate between a Hostage and a POW. The Taliban are nothing more than a band of terrorists in lieu of a government. Any person held by them is a hostage. Conversely, if one of our men is captured on the battlefield and held by a foreign government he is a POW. The president , in his arrogance and with the advice of people like Susan Rice, released 5 high ranking Taliban POWs for one hostage who willingly put himself in a position of become such by walking off his post of his own accord. That particular swap was bad for America. Yes, we needed to try to get Bergdahl back but our negotiators were outwitted by the Taliban and we got suckered. It should have been 1 to 1 or no deal. Most sane people know that we succumbed to a band of hoodlums with little to no resistance. What is the ultimate goal ?? Simply put, it is the closing of Gitmo. With the five worst terrorists gone why keep the rest of them ?? Good Luck America !!!

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Jun 7, 2014 15:36:38   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
America Only wrote:
I have not once met anyone that made it through even just "boot camp" that was not drilled upon on how you do not, under any circumstance leave your post....for those that have served, they damned sure should recall "standing watch" in their barracks.....
"Halt, who goes there"....for some it must have been , "Oh just me some frigging clown that forgot where I was".....

To leave a post while on active duty even state side is bad enough, but to do it during a war? No excuse. And the fact his actions cost other members of the armed forces to die while out looking for him? This guy is a real "A" wipe.
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America Only-according to the six soldiers who have come forward, Bergdahl was caught sleeping in his Humvee. He therefore was given extra guard duty as punishment and that apparently was the straw that broke the camel's back. He left upon completing that duty. Good Luck America !!!

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Jun 7, 2014 15:58:47   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Ricko wrote:
America Only-according to the six soldiers who have come forward, Bergdahl was caught sleeping in his Humvee. He therefore was given extra guard duty as punishment and that apparently was the straw that broke the camel's back. He left upon completing that duty. Good Luck America !!!


I am VERY aware of what statements have surfaced surrounding his last few while still "in camp".

Most thinking Americans also find that the lack of thought process by the Obama crew, leaves one to really wonder what the real story is behind why the White House even decided to have any involvement at all with the situation? The history so far has been (par for the course of the Democratic Brain Fart) is to launch themselves into a situation without doing any study to see what the outcome would be by making a commitment. Democrats have been doing this for decades but even more intensely since Obama came into the picture...."lets pass this bill so that you can all then read what is in it".....

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Jun 7, 2014 16:04:39   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Ricko wrote:
rjoeholl-At41 is totally misguided and cannot differentiate between a Hostage and a POW. The Taliban are nothing more than a band of terrorists in lieu of a government. Any person held by them is a hostage. Conversely, if one of our men is captured on the battlefield and held by a foreign government he is a POW. The president , in his arrogance and with the advice of people like Susan Rice, released 5 high ranking Taliban POWs for one hostage who willingly put himself in a position of become such by walking off his post of his own accord. That particular swap was bad for America. Yes, we needed to try to get Bergdahl back but our negotiators were outwitted by the Taliban and we got suckered. It should have been 1 to 1 or no deal. Most sane people know that we succumbed to a band of hoodlums with little to no resistance. What is the ultimate goal ?? Simply put, it is the closing of Gitmo. With the five worst terrorists gone why keep the rest of them ?? Good Luck America !!!
rjoeholl-At41 is totally misguided and cannot diff... (show quote)


It would not shock me at all, if in fact the White House has some plans for the future....if a large amount of terrorist activity can happen the last year of Obama's term as President, I can see him using a large scale crisis as an excuse to try to make a legal case for staying in office beyond his term, "per executive power"...until it is clear that there is no more threat...it would not be beyond his twisted plots to have some hidden plans to even FUND what these released terrorist could do to the United States....this is how Obama operates....and he does not do very well of covering it all up....

Why else would the US Army be advocating with recruiters to have a opening for "internment camp specialists"....?

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Jun 7, 2014 16:18:41   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
Raoeholl at41, My only hope is idiots like you have to depend on turn coats like what we just traded for. You are not a hostage when you walk to the other camp. That is what you want, working with you to stay alive?? Good Luck, if you ever have to face real action make sure your insurance is current. What kind of prayer did his father do? If they don't like us leave!! Tell the families of those who he probably help kill how you feel about him and how wrong they are. This country is being taken over by the dumb asses!!!

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Jun 7, 2014 16:29:35   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
It is amazing that those alleging to have been in the Military don't know the difference between Marshall and Martial.

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Blame "spell check." But, you're right. I should've caught it. My bad.

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Jun 7, 2014 16:40:08   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
America Only wrote:
Do you think you have the market cornered for having served in the Military?

If you are really a VET you would know you do not WALK off and leave your post. From that moment on, you are at fault. Same as a drunk driver. If you drive drunk and someone else hits you, it does not forgive what you had been doing yourself.

You can add any sort of caramel coating to what this individual has done, it does not change what he did.

As to the topic of McCain....entirely different story and I do not see him landing a plane in North Vietnam and deciding to go for a walk.....but maybe you have a different recall of history than the rest of us do.

I've pulled more than one American and Allies from POW camps during my service years so save your kleenex for someone that need it.
Do you think you have the market cornered for havi... (show quote)

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Believe as you wish. I'll not make any judgments until a Court MARTIAL makes its decision. I just hope everyone who has already found him guilty won't be made to regret their over-exercising by jumping to the wrong conclusions.

The McCain story didn't involve him landing his plane in North Vietnam and going for a walk. It involved his "alleged" actions while a POW. Thankfully, none of the allegations were proven true. They were just made-up lies by people who had a political agenda.

Kinda like what we have here. You go ahead and fire-up the electric chair. I'll wait for the truth to come out.

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Jun 7, 2014 17:00:41   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
[quote=America Only]It would not shock me at all, if in fact the White House has some plans for the future....if a large amount of terrorist activity can happen the last year of Obama's term as President, I can see him using a large scale crisis as an excuse to try to make a legal case for staying in office beyond his term, "per executive power"...until it is clear that there is no more threat...it would not be beyond his twisted plots to have some hidden plans to even FUND what these released terrorist could do to the United States....this is how Obama operates....and he does not do very well of covering it all up....
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If the President could "....make a legal case for staying in office beyond his term, "per executive power"...until it is clear that there is no more threat...it would not be beyond his twisted plots to have some hidden plans to even FUND what these released terrorist could do to the United States....," I have no doubt Bush-2 would've already done it. After all, it was HE & Cheney who began these 2 wars. Seems they would like to say that they finished what they started.

Why don't you actually THINK about what you're saying BEFORE you say it? There's a little thing called the "22nd Amendment" that limits presidents to only 2 terms.

No Executive Order can trump the Constitution. In fact, Congress can over-ride an Executive Order by passing legislation negating the Order. This should show you how useless the Congress has become. That being the case, it forces Obama to run the government by Executive Order. It also allows Obama's detractors to have all sorts of fodder to use against him. Why not use you anger and direct it at Congress and get them off their collective butts and run the government like they were elected to do?

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