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Oct 9, 2020 22:58:23   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
debeda wrote:
Deferred action for children. Got it. Do YOU know how much money goes to illegals? Daily, monthly, yearly? As far as DACA goes, it allowed these people to apply for citizenship. If they didn't, it's on them.
Its HILARIOUS that YOU see MY bias🤣🤣🤣


$3 Trillion per year taken from your economy by rich people. $50 Trillion since 1980
Now they’ve got you arguing over pennies.
Sad sad sad
You should at least blame the right people.

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Oct 9, 2020 22:59:04   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
A Constitutionalist interpreting the Constitution? Now there's a novel idea.

Many interpretations, huh? Have you studied the Federalist Papers?

And we wonder why our nation is in such a mess.


Federalist Papers - good point... the conflicting interpretations started before the Constitution was even ratified!

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Oct 9, 2020 22:59:28   #
debeda
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
A Constitutionalist interpreting the Constitution? Now there's a novel idea.

Many interpretations, huh? Have you studied the Federalist Papers?

And we wonder why our nation is in such a mess.


We cannot expect Democrats to know anything besides the spin doctored "facts" of the left. They create their own facts, built upon the opinions of their "intellectuals". Ya know, like the 1619 Project

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Oct 9, 2020 23:00:43   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Milosia2 wrote:
$3 Trillion per year taken from your economy by rich people. $50 Trillion since 1980
Now they’ve got you arguing over pennies.
Sad sad sad
You should at least blame the right people.


Debeda is referring to some false information. I've done the research on this... illegal immigrants actually contribute more than they take.

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Oct 9, 2020 23:05:19   #
debeda
 
straightUp wrote:
Okaay... Well, you did put it out there. It's easy to see. 'Not sure what makes that funny. But it's always good to laugh, right?


Yes, and you are a comedic troupe all by yourself! I am not saying I don't feel the pain of childhood immigrants. Nor, in spite of your deflection, do I forget the original topic of our discussion. Which was that no one not under the direct chain of command of a President has to comply with, and can ignore, executive orders. And when I gave an example of a godbama executive order you're ready to defend THAT action 🤣🤣

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Oct 9, 2020 23:06:36   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
straightUp wrote:
Debeda is referring to some false information. I've done the research on this... illegal immigrants actually contribute more than they take.


And how could either side ever be proven when y'all don't even know how many illegals there are in the nation???

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Oct 9, 2020 23:09:31   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That chart was a superb example of the fallacy of hyperbole...

And tribalism doesn't factor into the ewuation... You're basically saying it's fine to genocide people if they aren't.......???? Yeah
That chart was a superb example of the fallacy of ... (show quote)
That chart is the result of 30 years of research. I rather doubt that professor Rummel's objective was to produce a logical fallacy.

You can deny it all you want, dude, doesn't the fact that the atheist Chinese Communist government is a brutal tyranny.

The point on tribalism is that the Indian tribes were at war with each other long before Europeans showed up. They committed mass murders, torture, rape and other horrendous atrocities in their fights for land and resources.

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Oct 9, 2020 23:09:50   #
debeda
 
straightUp wrote:
Debeda is referring to some false information. I've done the research on this... illegal immigrants actually contribute more than they take.


Uh huh. Even those that work send most of their money "home", which is also bad for our economy.

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Oct 9, 2020 23:10:21   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And how could either side ever be proven when y'all don't even know how many illegals there are in the nation???


Excellent point

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Oct 9, 2020 23:12:42   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
Debeda is referring to some false information. I've done the research on this... illegal immigrants actually contribute more than they take.



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Oct 9, 2020 23:15:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That chart is the result of 30 years of research. I rather doubt that professor Rummel's objective was to produce a logical fallacy.

You can deny it all you want, dude, doesn't the fact that the atheist Chinese Communist government is a brutal tyranny.

The point on tribalism is that the Indian tribes were at war with each other long before Europeans showed up. They committed mass murders, torture, rape and other horrendous atrocities in their fights for land and resources.


I'd have to research his methodology...

Brutal tyranny??? You should check it out... You'd like it over here...

By your logic, no genocide was ever a crime.. Folk have been fighting for all of history...
America is no cleaner than any other nation, and dirtier than some...

So lay off others...

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Oct 9, 2020 23:20:37   #
Cuda2020
 
debeda wrote:
Uh huh. Even those that work send most of their money "home", which is also bad for our economy.


You're worried about Poor Mexican's sending some of their meager wages to their families, but you're not worried about the billions sent to off shore accounts from millionaires who hold 90% of the wealth, I see.

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Oct 9, 2020 23:29:43   #
debeda
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
You're worried about Poor Mexican's sending some of their meager wages to their families, but you're not worried about the billions sent to off shore accounts from millionaires who hold 90% of the wealth, I see.


Who said I wasn't worried about tax cheats? I am worried, at the end of the day, about the rule of law. Laws exist for a reason. If we have fair laws, they should be administered without considering race, color, creed or financial position. NOT doing that is what has led us to this division.
If the laws are deemed unfair by a majority, they should be stricken or amended by the majority, without consideration benefit to of race, color, creed or financial position. Not doing THAT is also what has led us to this division.
Another thing that has led us to this division is the propaganda spewed all over that if one is not THIS, then they are THAT.

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Oct 9, 2020 23:33:25   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
You're worried about Poor Mexican's sending some of their meager wages to their families, but you're not worried about the billions sent to off shore accounts from millionaires who hold 90% of the wealth, I see.


According to Forbes, in 2017 immigrants sent about $148 billion out of the country. That's money that wasn't recirculated within the US economy.

From a commerce point of view, that amounts to a significant sized reverse stimulus.

How many of those feeble little picayune amounts you refer to does it take to add up that high, do you think, in a single year?

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Oct 9, 2020 23:34:14   #
debeda
 
Seth wrote:
According to Forbes, in 2017 immigrants sent about $148 billion out of the country. That's money that wasn't out back into the US economy. From a commerce point of view, that amounts to a decent sized reverse stimulus.

How many of those feeble little picayune amounts you refer to does it take to add up that high, do you think, in a single year?


Good point, Seth

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