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Oct 8, 2020 11:06:44   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
BTW, during the debate I said Trump was "off his game". Turns out he had COVID, of course, you made a big thing about it.

In this case, that is hardly a defense. The fact that Trump has COVID is a tribute to his carelessness. Compared to Biden who managed to stay healthy by making smarter choices.

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Oct 8, 2020 11:11:05   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
BTW, during the debate I said Trump was "off his game". Turns out he had COVID, of course, you made a big thing about it.


You’re gonna he busy in the coming days if you plan to respond everything trump says that might perceive him as off his game!
Busy busy busy.
No no no he’s just off his game!
Why does everyone think trump is Always lying ?
Hey busy busy!

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Oct 8, 2020 11:22:23   #
fullspinzoo
 
Milosia2 wrote:
You’re gonna he busy in the coming days if you plan to respond everything trump says that might perceive him as off his game!
Busy busy busy.
No no no he’s just off his game!
Why does everyone think trump is Always lying ?
Hey busy busy!


I'd like to see you perform in front of 40 million without COVID. You'd be so nervous you couldn't even spout your Marxist bullshit.

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Oct 8, 2020 11:32:43   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
President Trump is interested in what is good for the US. If that involves angering a few nations whose toes get stepped on, too bad. Any leader who does not put the interest of his own country and citizens over that of foreign entities is shirking the job for which he was elected.

Well, stepping on toes for the sake of your own interest could be a good reason for losing leadership status.

But to respond to your argument, I think what you folks fail to see is that we were never the "Sugar Daddy" as someone else recently suggested.

From the northern carpetbaggers that rebuilt the South following the Civil War to the Marshall Plan following WW2, to the neo-carpetbaggers that got all the contracts to rebuild Iraq, our "generosity" has always been motivated by what we get out of it.

Europe doesn't spend the billions of dollars that we do on defense because they know they don't need it. They live right next door to Russia and yet are not frightened into giving all their money to the military for protection like we are. Perhaps it's because they are more experienced with fighting wars, but they are apparently confident that if anything happens they can mobilize and expand as needed.

The reason why we paid so much for "their protection" is because we support a war industry that wants to sell weapons. Cha-Ching!!!

When the Europeans said no thanks, we have better things to spend our money on like healthcare and education, the U.S. said... "OK, how about WE pay for you?" After all, the U.S. government has the largest tax-base in the world to fund the sales, all they need is an excuse. It didn't matter if the Europeans paid or if the American taxpayers paid. So the Europeans were like... "Free defense systems? OK."

I mean why not, right?

Trump is trying to score brownie points with his base by insisting that he will make the Europeans pay instead of the American tax-payers. But if the American taxpayers were as smart as the Europeans they would simply refuse to pour half their taxes into the military-industrial complex and the whole problem would stop. But then how would the weapons industry profit?

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Oct 8, 2020 11:37:08   #
fullspinzoo
 
straightUp wrote:
Well, stepping on toes for the sake of your own interest could be a good reason for losing leadership status.

But to respond to your argument, I think what you folks fail to see is that we were never the "Sugar Daddy" as someone else recently suggested.

From the northern carpetbaggers that rebuilt the South following the Civil War to the Marshall Plan following WW2, to the neo-carpetbaggers that got all the contracts to rebuild Iraq, our "generosity" has always been motivated by what we get out of it.

Europe doesn't spend the billions of dollars that we do on defense because they know they don't need it. They live right next door to Russia and yet are not frightened into giving all their money to the military for protection like we are. Perhaps it's because they are more experienced with fighting wars, but they are apparently confident that if anything happens they can mobilize and expand as needed.

The reason why we paid so much for "their protection" is because we support a war industry that wants to sell weapons. Cha-Ching!!!

When the Europeans said no thanks, we have better things to spend our money on like healthcare and education, the U.S. said... "OK, how about WE pay for you?" After all, the U.S. government has the largest tax-base in the world to fund the sales, all they need is an excuse. It didn't matter if the Europeans paid or if the American taxpayers paid. So the Europeans were like... "Free defense systems? OK."

I mean why not, right?

Trump is trying to score brownie points with his base by insisting that he will make the Europeans pay instead of the American tax-payers. But if the American taxpayers were as smart as the Europeans they would simply refuse to pour half their taxes into the military-industrial complex and the whole problem would stop. But then how would the weapons industry profit?
Well, stepping on toes for the sake of your own in... (show quote)


He has been doing a fantastic job in so many aspects or areas. It's just so hard for the idiots on the left to get past his brazen "take no prisoners" attitude. Or maybe it's the "promises made, promises kept" non-politician attitude that has you buffaloed.

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Oct 8, 2020 11:56:18   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Donald,

You are NOT my leader. You are the elected head of the Federal Government, which *is* the nation's largest employer so you DO lead a lot of people, but I am not one of your employees nor is the vast majority of the American people.

We are a free country and our president's only become leaders of our nation when they inspire our nation. That's how it's done. And even then, you are only leading those who follow you. But there are no actual rules that make you the leader of the American people simply by winning an election.

We certainly don't have to do what you tell us to do. Your executive orders only apply to your employees. The rules that apply to us (AND TO YOU) come from Congress. The rules that apply to Congress comes from the U.S.Constitution. If there is any dispute about the rules, the courts will figure it out, not you.

All this being said...

We didn't need you to force your security agents to risk their lives and the lives of their families by exposing them to the virus that we all know you carry just so you can strut around in front of cameras to show how "strong" our "leader" is.

I'm not fooled by all your posing into thinking you're "strong". I've had four years of watching you behave to know that if anything, you are a weak person.

And again... You are certainly not my leader. So get back to bed... Do what the doctor tells you to do... And get better so you can get to work. Remember, I am a citizen, therefore I am YOUR boss, YOU work for ME.

...At least, until we fire you.
Donald, br br You are NOT my leader. You are the... (show quote)


sUp!!!
Lets get something straight, even if you are not a citizen of the USA, you do live here.

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Oct 8, 2020 11:56:46   #
PeterS
 
straightUp wrote:
Donald,

You are NOT my leader. You are the elected head of the Federal Government, which *is* the nation's largest employer so you DO lead a lot of people, but I am not one of your employees nor is the vast majority of the American people.

We are a free country and our president's only become leaders of our nation when they inspire our nation. That's how it's done. And even then, you are only leading those who follow you. But there are no actual rules that make you the leader of the American people simply by winning an election.

We certainly don't have to do what you tell us to do. Your executive orders only apply to your employees. The rules that apply to us (AND TO YOU) come from Congress. The rules that apply to Congress comes from the U.S.Constitution. If there is any dispute about the rules, the courts will figure it out, not you.

All this being said...

We didn't need you to force your security agents to risk their lives and the lives of their families by exposing them to the virus that we all know you carry just so you can strut around in front of cameras to show how "strong" our "leader" is.

I'm not fooled by all your posing into thinking you're "strong". I've had four years of watching you behave to know that if anything, you are a weak person.

And again... You are certainly not my leader. So get back to bed... Do what the doctor tells you to do... And get better so you can get to work. Remember, I am a citizen, therefore I am YOUR boss, YOU work for ME.

...At least, until we fire you.
Donald, br br You are NOT my leader. You are the... (show quote)

Well, fortunately for youTrump doesn't want to be your leader either. No, Trump has made it clear that the only people he wants to lead are his most faithful followers. And Donald's not going back to bed. This is his reality show and he's the star. There ain't no way he's going to stop performing. In fact, my guess is that as soon as he can he's going to start performing before his sheeple. He's got a dog and pony show and there is nothing that can stop him from performing it.

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Oct 8, 2020 12:06:12   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
PeterS wrote:
Well, fortunately for youTrump doesn't want to be your leader either. No, Trump has made it clear that the only people he wants to lead are his most faithful followers. And Donald's not going back to bed. This is his reality show and he's the star. There ain't no way he's going to stop performing. In fact, my guess is that as soon as he can he's going to start performing before his sheeple. He's got a dog and pony show and there is nothing that can stop him from performing it.


"Well, fortunately for youTrump doesn't want to be your leader either. No, Trump has made it clear that the only people he wants to lead are his most faithful followers." - PeterS

We should expect nothing less.
Lefties need not apply.
The way it is supposed to be.
Hillary let you down, and so is Joe.

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Oct 8, 2020 12:08:47   #
fullspinzoo
 
PeterS wrote:
Well, fortunately for youTrump doesn't want to be your leader either. No, Trump has made it clear that the only people he wants to lead are his most faithful followers. And Donald's not going back to bed. This is his reality show and he's the star. There ain't no way he's going to stop performing. In fact, my guess is that as soon as he can he's going to start performing before his sheeple. He's got a dog and pony show and there is nothing that can stop him from performing it.


If you call "the best economy EVER" performing, you are pretty naive. Everything Trump has done, except for failing to lock up Hillary and a dozen other felons, has been spot on. Must be his personality that has you "down". Not happy with best ever economy? Record-breaking unemployment? Beheading stopped by ISIS. Jobs everywhere? You're biggest complaint, please. Tell me the policy with Trump that drives you nuts. Oh, not killing enough babies, is that it? If Biden gets in, let's see how fast he can run this country into the ground and make us a sh*thole just like Venezuela or Cuba. Maybe Kamala can do it faster.

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Oct 8, 2020 12:10:56   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Democratic Socialism ? ?
Ok bring your cameras in closer. !
We have a moron here!!!

Are you telling me you have never heard of democratic socialism?

Milosia2 wrote:

All of your rich powerful up elite are engaged in Socialism.

According to right-wing propaganda. (BTW, socialism isn't a proper noun so you don't have to capitalize it)

But in reality, the most powerful and wealthy... Democrats (assuming that's what you mean by "your rich and powerful up elite") are free-market capitalists. In fact, the term for free-market capitalism, as applied to the world in the late 20th century, is neoliberalism.

(BTW, socialism isn't a proper noun so you don't have to capitalize it)

It cracks me up that in one breath you folks call socialism a system where everyone gets the same thing and in the next breath you say it's touted by the rich and powerful. Do you ever notice the irony in your BS?

The socialists that are indeed rising on the left, such as Bernie Sanders and AOC are pushing for something called democratic socialism and even then they are not asking for a complete turnover. Heck the largest and really, the ONLY significant socialist organization in America is the DSA, which stands for Democratic Socialists of America.

Milosia2 wrote:

They benefit monstrously with socialism.
Their companies are never too big to fail and the government gives them money, even when They don’t need it, and could well afford making purchases out of their own pocket, but instead whine and cry to the government for More money.

Aside from the fact that government bailouts have NOTHING to do with socialism, the government has been doing this for decades, even under Republican control. For instance, socialists were not the ones who suggested the government subsidize the coal industry or even agriculture.

Milosia2 wrote:

They privatize everything they can get their greasy little feet into, fire everyone
Steal all the assets. Then run as fast As they can to get more money to save their sorry asses.

Wow... OK - so you don't have the slightest clue what socialism is. I suggest you do some research. I will point something out though... privatization is actually the polar opposite to socialism. In socialism, the government controls the means and methods requiring that assets be nationalized, in democratic socialism that government itself is controlled by a democracy.

Privatization is where the means and methods are controlled by private interests based on free-market capitalism and yes, sometimes that results hostile takeovers, firing of workers and stealing of assets.

Milosia2 wrote:

But, in your deluded place in time you chose to blame the only people who are on your side of this RepubliPIG Debacle. Called trumps excellent adventure.

Trump's Excellent Adventure - LOL... That is such an appropriate description.

As for my blaming... I'm not a loyalist, I'm a realist. I blame Democrats for things too but in Trump's Excellent Adventure I am finding that Trump supporters blame Democrats for EVERYTHING and that often leads to me to point out the errors in the accusations.

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Oct 8, 2020 12:20:43   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
sUp!!!
Lets get something straight, even if you are not a citizen of the USA, you do live here.


Eagle... sometimes you can be a jerk.

Just because I migrated here with my parents when I was 2 years old, doesn't mean I'm not a citizen.

As I've probably told you before, the U.S. government worked with the Royal Air Force to rush my father's citizenship because he was an aerospace engineer and the defense contractor that recruited him from England needed him to have security clearance. On the other hand, I had to wait until I was 18 to be naturalized (as that is the law). I registered Republican and voted for Reagan. By 1984 I was registering independent and today I am entirely unaffiliated, but I am a citizen as I had stated in my original post.

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Oct 8, 2020 12:29:46   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Eagle... sometimes you can be a jerk.

Just because I migrated here with my parents when I was 2 years old, doesn't mean I'm not a citizen.

As I've probably told you before, the U.S. government worked with the Royal Air Force to rush my father's citizenship because he was an aerospace engineer and the defense contractor that recruited him from England needed him to have security clearance. On the other hand, I had to wait until I was 18 to be naturalized (as that is the law). I registered Republican and voted for Reagan. By 1984 I was registering independent and today I am entirely unaffiliated, but I am a citizen as I had stated in my original post.
Eagle... sometimes you can be a jerk. br br Just ... (show quote)


I was having fun with you.
So what happened to you?

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Oct 8, 2020 12:55:24   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
He has been doing a fantastic job in so many aspects or areas. It's just so hard for the idiots on the left to get past his brazen "take no prisoners" attitude. Or maybe it's the "promises made, promises kept" non-politician attitude that has you buffaloed.

Yeah, like how he promised Mexico will pay for his idiot wall? Or how the pandemic will wash away by April? Or how he promised a healthcare replacement for Obamacare? Or for that matter, how he promised to kill Obamacare?

You keep telling yourself what a fantastic job he's doing and we'll just kick back and laugh.

BTW... It's by definition that a non-politician is someone who doesn't know how to run a government, just like a non-doctor is someone who doesn't have a doctorate in medicine. This brainless notion that a businessman with no political experience can handle the government makes as much sense as telling the hospital that you want the janitor to operate on your wife instead of a doctor.

A businessman can be anything from a CEO to a dog-walker, a babysitter, or even a drug dealer. Trump falls into the category of a celebrity investor, much like the Kardashians or any of those rappers that have a fashion line on the market. They get money and they pay for experts to guide them into buying their way into business. Trump got his money from daddy.

And that's all Trump ever did. He has NEVER invented anything nor has he EVER built a successful business from the ground up. His most successful enterprises have been the ones that only see his money not his management. In fact, the more involved he got in his businesses investments, the worse they did.

He's the worst businessman in history and quite possibly mentally retarded. The only reason why he is still going after he squandered the fortune his father gave him is because he was lucky enough to where some of his investments paid off AND because he keeps borrowing more money.

The public recently found out that all he paid in income taxes over the last few years is $750 and that's only because he is writing off his massive business losses. He has over 100 business-related lawsuits that are ready to come after him as soon as he gets kicked out of office and we also found out that he owes millions to foreign banks.

But... you like him. So I guess you're going to continue parroting the same lies that we all hear from right-wing media, since that's the only thing Trump's got.

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Oct 8, 2020 12:58:27   #
fullspinzoo
 
straightUp wrote:
Yeah, like how he promised Mexico will pay for his idiot wall? Or how the pandemic will wash away by April? Or how he promised a healthcare replacement for Obamacare? Or for that matter, how he promised to kill Obamacare?

You keep telling yourself what a fantastic job he's doing and we'll just kick back and laugh.

BTW... It's by definition that a non-politician is someone who doesn't know how to run a government, just like a non-doctor is someone who doesn't have a doctorate in medicine. This brainless notion that a businessman with no political experience can handle the government makes as much sense as telling the hospital that you want the janitor to operate on your wife instead of a doctor.

A businessman can be anything from a CEO to a dog-walker, a babysitter, or even a drug dealer. Trump falls into the category of a celebrity investor, much like the Kardashians or any of those rappers that have a fashion line on the market. They get money and they pay for experts to guide them into buying their way into business. Trump got his money from daddy.

And that's all Trump ever did. He has NEVER invented anything nor has he EVER built a successful business from the ground up. His most successful enterprises have been the ones that only see his money not his management. In fact, the more involved he got in his businesses investments, the worse they did.

He's the worst businessman in history and quite possibly mentally retarded. The only reason why he is still going after he squandered the fortune his father gave him is because he was lucky enough to where some of his investments paid off AND because he keeps borrowing more money.

The public recently found out that all he paid in income taxes over the last few years is $750 and that's only because he is writing off his massive business losses. He has over 100 business-related lawsuits that are ready to come after him as soon as he gets kicked out of office and we also found out that he owes millions to foreign banks.

But... you like him. So I guess you're going to continue parroting the same lies that we all hear from right-wing media, since that's the only thing Trump's got.
Yeah, like how he promised Mexico will pay for his... (show quote)


Records everywhere you turn, but you are too deaf, dumb and blind or naive to pick up on it. You can deny it all you want, but when people see their 401K double and sometimes triple, there is no denying it. Get lost, punk.

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Oct 8, 2020 13:02:36   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
I was having fun with you.
So what happened to you?


I dunno man... it just gets a little old after a while. Maybe I need to take a break. It's beautiful outside today and I only have a few more weeks before I get involved in my next project.

I will say one thing though... The idea that Trump is not my leader has nothing to do with my being a citizen or not. The president is a public servant and the public includes residential aliens. As a citizen I can vote, that's the difference, but even that doesn't make Trump my designated leader.

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