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Oct 8, 2020 01:40:42   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Do you have a freaking clue why this has happened here? Who has done this to us? What ideological movement is behind all this?


Because the Republican Party is known for its antiwar stance??? Te ideology you're thinking of us the American ideology... That belief that America has some sort of moral authority to govern others...

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Bush handed Obama 2 wars; Obama handed Trump 7.


Awesome... And Trump pulled out of how many???

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Our troops are coming home, dude.


Just around the corner... If only Trump wins this election it will be the first thing he does.. The past four years just wasn't enough time... Bt an additional four years, that will do it...

Don't hold your breath...

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You live in China, you tell us, do the Chinese spooks meddle in anyone's business? Is China a police state? Does China need any healing?


1. To the extent of America... God no... They could care less about how other nations govern themselves...
2. Who cares if China is a police state (which I don't think it is)... That literally has nothing to do with the premise... Just a sad whataboutism...
3.Healing..No... China is far more United than the US... It has the sort of nationalism and patriotism that you could only soeculate on..

Finally... Does China claim to be the leader of the free world?

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Oct 8, 2020 01:46:42   #
Seth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
... Finally... Does China claim to be the leader of the free world?


It can't, because there can only be one, and that's America. 🇺🇸😎

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Oct 8, 2020 01:49:49   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Seth wrote:
It can't, because there can only be one, and that's America. 🇺🇸😎


Probably a good thing the world doesn't vote on this😂😂😂

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Oct 8, 2020 02:58:27   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
1. To the extent of America... God no... They could care less about how other nations govern themselves...
2. Who cares if China is a police state (which I don't think it is)... That literally has nothing to do with the premise... Just a sad whataboutism...
3.Healing..No... China is far more United than the US... It has the sort of nationalism and patriotism that you could only soeculate on..

Finally... Does China claim to be the leader of the free world?
1. To the extent of America... God no... They coul... (show quote)
Over 300 organizations urge UN to probe China’s human rights violations
In an open letter published Wednesday, the groups — which include Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the International Service for Human Rights — requested that the UN create an “impartial and independent” watchdog to place scrutiny on the long-ruling Communist Party over its documented human rights abuses in Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Tibet.

HRW: China’s Global Threat to Human Rights
The Chinese Communist Party, worried that permitting political freedom would jeopardize its grasp on power, has constructed an Orwellian high-tech surveillance state and a sophisticated internet censorship system to monitor and suppress public criticism. Abroad, it uses its growing economic clout to silence critics and to carry out the most intense attack on the global system for enforcing human rights since that system began to emerge in the mid-20th century.

China Poses an 'Existential Threat' to International Human Rights

The Chinese Communist Party’s Human Rights Abuses in Xinjiang
The Chinese Communist Party is waging a targeted campaign against Uyghur women, men, and children, and members of other Turkic Muslim minority groups in Xinjiang, China. Documented human rights abuses include coercive population control methods, forced labor, arbitrary detention in internment camps, torture, physical and sexual abuse, mass surveillance, family separation, and repression of cultural and religious expression.

39 Countries at UN Express ‘Grave Concerns’ About China’s Abuses
A cross-regional group of 39 United Nations member countries issued a stinging public rebuke today of the Chinese government’s widespread human rights violations in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and Tibet, proof that a growing number of governments are voicing their alarm, despite Beijing’s threats of retaliation.

RIDING THE DRAGON: The Bidens' Chinese Secrets (Full Documentary)

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Oct 8, 2020 03:37:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Over 300 organizations urge UN to probe China’s human rights violations
In an open letter published Wednesday, the groups — which include Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the International Service for Human Rights — requested that the UN create an “impartial and independent” watchdog to place scrutiny on the long-ruling Communist Party over its documented human rights abuses in Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Tibet.

HRW: China’s Global Threat to Human Rights
The Chinese Communist Party, worried that permitting political freedom would jeopardize its grasp on power, has constructed an Orwellian high-tech surveillance state and a sophisticated internet censorship system to monitor and suppress public criticism. Abroad, it uses its growing economic clout to silence critics and to carry out the most intense attack on the global system for enforcing human rights since that system began to emerge in the mid-20th century.

China Poses an 'Existential Threat' to International Human Rights

The Chinese Communist Party’s Human Rights Abuses in Xinjiang
The Chinese Communist Party is waging a targeted campaign against Uyghur women, men, and children, and members of other Turkic Muslim minority groups in Xinjiang, China. Documented human rights abuses include coercive population control methods, forced labor, arbitrary detention in internment camps, torture, physical and sexual abuse, mass surveillance, family separation, and repression of cultural and religious expression.

39 Countries at UN Express ‘Grave Concerns’ About China’s Abuses
A cross-regional group of 39 United Nations member countries issued a stinging public rebuke today of the Chinese government’s widespread human rights violations in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and Tibet, proof that a growing number of governments are voicing their alarm, despite Beijing’s threats of retaliation.

RIDING THE DRAGON: The Bidens' Chinese Secrets (Full Documentary)
url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/09/over-300-groups... (show quote)


My God!!!
And which of these took place outside of China's borders????

Do you not get what I'm talking about???
China doesn't claim to be the leader of the world... It believes strongly that nations have the right to determine their own policies...

Query: Which human rights have China violated that America hasn't???

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Oct 8, 2020 04:55:07   #
Seth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Probably a good thing the world doesn't vote on this😂😂😂


The world does vote... They vote with cap in hand when they need cash, they vote when they are being bullied and need help, they vote when they conduct international business with US dollars and they keep the central headquarters of globalist corruption, no friend of America, in New York's UN Plaza.

America is the leader of the free world, and Donald Trump is the leader of America. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

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Oct 8, 2020 04:57:02   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Seth wrote:
The world does vote... They vote with cap in hand when they need cash, they vote when they are being bullied and need help, they vote when they conduct international business with US dollars and they keep the central headquarters of globalist corruption, no friend of America, in New York's UN Plaza.

America is the leader of the free world, and Donald Trump is the leader of America. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

Think there's been a bit of a shift over the past decades... Culmination to follow

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Oct 8, 2020 05:12:54   #
Seth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
My God!!!
And which of these took place outside of China's borders????

Do you not get what I'm talking about???
China doesn't claim to be the leader of the world... It believes strongly that nations have the right to determine their own policies...

Query: Which human rights have China violated that America hasn't???


If America has violated any human rights for any extended period, it was slavery that we not only abolished over 1 1/2 centuries ago, but that was a time when our country was still maturing, growing and evolving... We have long since matured socially. While there was temporary internment of Japanese US citizens after Pearl Harbor, we have never made a practice of sending people to "re-education" camps because of their religious beliefs, harvesting their organs (now, maybe if they had a decent used piano) and we've never sent people to forced labor camps for expressing beliefs that disagreed with the government's doctrine. China's been around for many more centuries than America has and has had that much more time to evolve socially, but hasn't.

There's no way you can begin to compare the harshness of China's governance or the vast gulf between the liberty enjoyed by Chinese citizens and that enjoyed by US citizens.

Also, it's very likely that we on the outside have better access to information on some of the less civilized practices of the CCP than they permit you to obtain on the inside. I already know you can't access outside publications online that the Chinese government wants censored.

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Oct 8, 2020 05:14:30   #
Seth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Think there's been a bit of a shift over the past decades... Culmination to follow


Don't count on it.

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Oct 8, 2020 05:32:12   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Seth wrote:
If America has violated any human rights for any extended period, it was slavery that we not only abolished over 1 1/2 centuries ago, but that was a time when our country was still maturing, growing and evolving... We have long since matured socially.


Slavery is a good example... Followed by Jim Crow laws... A bit more recent...

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While there was temporary internment of Japanese US citizens after Pearl Harbor, we have never made a practice of sending people to "re-education" camps because of their religious beliefs, harvesting their organs (now, maybe if they had a decent used piano) and we've never sent people to forced labor camps for expressing beliefs that disagreed with the government's doctrine.


Except for reservations... Entire populations were displaced and forced to live on them...

No forced harvesting of organs... I'll give you that... You guys do have the largest prison population in the world though...

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China's been around for many more centuries than America has and has had that much more time to evolve socially, but hasn't.


Firstly, the PRC is 71 years old... Somewhat younger than America..
But that's beside the point... This is that arrogance I was talking about earlier... America (and the rest of the West) does not get to claim moral superiority because other societies have different values than them... China as a society has many values that differ from the west... This doesn't make them superior or inferior..

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There's no way you can begin to compare the harshness of China's governance or the vast gulf between the liberty enjoyed by Chinese citizens and that enjoyed by US citizens.


Nor did I attempt to...

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Also, it's very likely that we on the outside have better access to information on some of the less civilized practices of the CCP than they permit you to obtain on the inside. I already know you can't access outside publications online that the Chinese government wants censored.


I can access outside publications just fine thank you... I have mentioned this numerous times...
It is far more likely that due to my having firsthand experience I can better spot inaccuracies that the majority of Americans are simply unable to distinguish...

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Oct 8, 2020 07:11:35   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Seth wrote:
It can't, because there can only be one, and that's America. 🇺🇸😎


Absolutely! And we will unless the Democrats gain complete control and kicks God out of our country and turns their backs on Israel! Americans must not let this happen! IMO!

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Oct 8, 2020 07:31:14   #
Big Kahuna
 
straightUp wrote:
Yup, and he still is. He still continues to inspire millions of Americans. I didn't always agree with his foreign policy, but I know the deep state always sets the foreign policy agenda.

I do actually like the idea of a president that stands up to the deep state but not if that president winds up making a mockery of our global influence like Trump has.

Yup, and he still is. He still continues to inspir... (show quote)


The globalists and other countries might mock us but you have to understand why. Trump took away our "Sugar Daddy" status from the twerps and they still are whining much like you twerps are still whinning about Hitlery losing the election to a better leader, President Trump.

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Oct 8, 2020 07:35:52   #
Big Kahuna
 
straightUp wrote:
Donald,

You are NOT my leader. You are the elected head of the Federal Government, which *is* the nation's largest employer so you DO lead a lot of people, but I am not one of your employees nor is the vast majority of the American people.

We are a free country and our president's only become leaders of our nation when they inspire our nation. That's how it's done. And even then, you are only leading those who follow you. But there are no actual rules that make you the leader of the American people simply by winning an election.

We certainly don't have to do what you tell us to do. Your executive orders only apply to your employees. The rules that apply to us (AND TO YOU) come from Congress. The rules that apply to Congress comes from the U.S.Constitution. If there is any dispute about the rules, the courts will figure it out, not you.

All this being said...

We didn't need you to force your security agents to risk their lives and the lives of their families by exposing them to the virus that we all know you carry just so you can strut around in front of cameras to show how "strong" our "leader" is.

I'm not fooled by all your posing into thinking you're "strong". I've had four years of watching you behave to know that if anything, you are a weak person.

And again... You are certainly not my leader. So get back to bed... Do what the doctor tells you to do... And get better so you can get to work. Remember, I am a citizen, therefore I am YOUR boss, YOU work for ME.

...At least, until we fire you.
Donald, br br You are NOT my leader. You are the... (show quote)


Well just let Slo Joe and "Heels up" Hairass lead you------- down the road of destruction. You seem to enjoy that road, so go for it. You might consider a low level job in Maduro's administration. His leadership style is more to your liking.

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Oct 8, 2020 07:46:33   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
lindajoy wrote:
Well I’m glad you got that off your chest and hope you feel better now...

LOL - yes, a bit.

lindajoy wrote:

Lest you also recognize while he is not your President, he is President to many others who voted him in and are pleased with his performance..You know the saying can’t please everybody all the time...

Oh, I didn't say isn't my president - I said he isn't my leader. That's why I said he works for me. (of course, as our president, he works for all of us) ...Well, he's supposed to work for us, anyway.

lindajoy wrote:

In the long run it all works out.. When the one you want goes in you’ll feel even better..Until then, good luck...

Thanks!


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Oct 8, 2020 07:49:42   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
straightUp wrote:
Yup, and he still is. He still continues to inspire millions of Americans. I didn't always agree with his foreign policy, but I know the deep state always sets the foreign policy agenda.

I do actually like the idea of a president that stands up to the deep state but not if that president winds up making a mockery of our global influence like Trump has.

Yup, and he still is. He still continues to inspir... (show quote)


President Trump is interested in what is good for the US. If that involves angering a few nations whose toes get stepped on, too bad. Any leader who does not put the interest of his own country and citizens over that of foreign entities is shirking the job for which he was elected.

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