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Jul 27, 2020 17:36:40   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
straightUp wrote:
So... we're talking about Marxists here? Well, I don't spend a lot of time chasing right-wing delusions, so I guess you'll have to remain the expert there - LOL... But I can tell you that BLM has succeeded in bringing police reform to the table. Cities all over the country are passing reform initiatives and so are states and even Congress is working on police reform bills. These efforts are a direct result of the peaceful protests organized by BLM.

I realize this upsets the true racists on the right to no end but I expect their outrage will eventually be confined to their own backyard pity parties just like it does every time things get a little better for black people. In the meantime, I guess we have just have to deal with the tantrums for a little while.

Trump's goons will continue to show the world how ineffective they are against the will of the people who will kick Trump out in a few months anyway. Biden will call the federal agents back and restore constitutional rights. Reform will proceed and the deplorables will fester in their racist misery as always.
So... we're talking about Marxists here? Well, I d... (show quote)


Airfart, you gave yourself away.

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Jul 27, 2020 17:40:53   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
[quote=straightUp]
I have a very good idea what Nam vets think, I am one. Those out of town ones, who called them or were they antifa fakes? Either way they took the oath to protect America against enemies foreign and domestic.

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Jul 27, 2020 20:46:36   #
On timeon target
 
straightUp wrote:
Last night a wall of vets assembled in Portland to protect the peaceful protesters from the unmarked, federal "agents" in combat fatigues that Trump sent to the city to disrupt their cause in yet another violation of the U.S. Constitution.



video of the wall of veterans

The fact is, vets are starting to notice that there is something terribly wrong with what these agents are doing. Here's an excerpt from a recent article in the Guardian...

The Black Lives Matter protest in Portland looked to be winding down last Saturday night when US marine corps veteran Duston Obermeyer noticed a phalanx of federal officers emerge from the federal courthouse.

They shot teargas at the crowd and pushed a protester to the ground with such force that, Obermeyer said, she slid 6ft across the pavement.

The 42-year-old drove to Portland for his first protest after hearing the many recent reports of federal personnel in tactical gear emerging from unmarked cars with automatic weapons to pick up protesters. His plan was to observe first-hand what was happening.

But in that moment, he said, he realized he couldn’t stand by and simply watch.

The 6ft 4in, 275lb man walked up to the officers and asked whether they understood their oath to defend the constitution. Just a few feet away, Obermeyer was aware of another man, US navy veteran Chris David, asking virtually the same question.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/24/portland-trump-order-federal-officers-veterans-protests

These vets understand the oath because they all took it and their message to these federal agents is clear... If you have to choose between following orders and protecting the constitution - you protect the constitution. And now, vets like Obermeyer are coming to the shocking realization that Trump is issuing illegal orders.

Last night the wall of vets confirms this is not just a few isolated vets and the crisis in Portland that was created by Trump is starting to expose the ugly truth behind what Trump is doing.

The fact is, Portland was on its way to peaceful negotiations over police reformation when Trump decided to send in federal forces. He said it was to protect people and property from violent protesters. Portland looked around and said "what violent protesters?"

Apparently, there's an ulterior motive.

Just to emphasize the point, the normal process is for local or state authorities to handle civil unrest and *IF* they need help THAT is when they ask for federal assistance. But Trump never got that request. He sent in forces on his own initiative instead.

Why?

We can only guess but current conditions make the guessing pretty easy and it's not a pretty picture...

After four years of making America worse than ever, Trump is desperate to stay in office so he can remain protected from justice. I think it's highly probable that Trump thinks he can improve his chances this election by staging a situation that will make him look like a hero (at least to his base). For this to work the story needs to start with violent protesters wreaking havoc and it needs to end with Trump's forces arresting those criminals and restoring order. But what if there aren't any violent protesters? That's where provocation comes in. Start punching people in the face until they start punching back and now you have violent people.

This is not a new trick, we just haven't seen a U.S. president use it before. It's more commonly found in street situations where bad cops try to get detainees to do something they can use as an excuse to take them down with. So the key here is to provoke the protesters into committing violent acts and that appears to be exactly what these federal agents are trying to do. If it works they can "control" the situation... arrest a bunch of people and "restore order".

The only other motive I can think of is even worse... If Trump loses the election he can retain power by declaring a national emergency and initiating marshal law. For this he would need the same situation to happen in cities across multiple states and well, it appears he is indeed sending federal agitators to other cities now including Chicago, again without being invited.

These are just educated guesses of course. And they may seem far-fetched to us because our nation has been so stable for so long, but Trump is leaving us without any alternative theories, except the narrative he is trying to create, which we can see is BS.

I'm just glad to see that a lot the men and women who took the oath to protect our constitution haven't forgotten what that means and that they can recognize in Trump the public enemy that he is. I sincerely hope we can save America and send Trump to prison through a peaceful election and constitutional justice.
Last night a wall of vets assembled in Portland to... (show quote)


As a combat veteran, I think your whole "straight up" post is entirely BS!

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Jul 27, 2020 20:50:38   #
Sicilianthing
 
straightUp wrote:
I kinda had a feeling that's what you were referring to - I just wasn't sure.

I have no doubt that militias are getting pretty excited right about now. There's already an infiltration of Proud Boys and Boogaloos in Portland that suit up the same way the federal agents do which is why clear identification is such a big issue for Portland authorities.

But I really don't see much that distinguishes these militia boys from street gangs though, other than a penchant for shopping at army surplus stores. I don't see any defined objectives or agendas. It seems they just want to kick ass and that's about the extent of it. More times than not people with that attitude wind up losing.

So, do you have any idea what these militia groups actually hope to accomplish?
I kinda had a feeling that's what you were referri... (show quote)


>>>

So far activations continue and they are now joining anti protests and marches and that’s what’s happening so far... that’s what’s being accomplished so far compAred to Nothing in the past....

Just keep your eyes and ears ready for anything cause it’s going to tip over soon.

Some groups have agendas
Others dont
Some will join ranks with others
Some wont
There is no perfect plan for what is happening until it starts... then the organizing and consolidating will be forced and everyone will be Conscripted.

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Jul 27, 2020 20:55:59   #
Sicilianthing
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
I can think of many things, but I'm krrping my eyes on the prize. The ChiComs.


>>>

Well it’s not just them...
It’s the Multicultural Experiment gone Disaster in America... with
Muslim Scumbags
Hispanic illegal and legal Invader Scumbags involved inGangs
Koreans
Philippinos who could careless about anything but consumption
Islanders

None of the above have ever assimilated EVER !
They are all in their own anti American Clique’s and they will be split and fighting against you when it starts.

This is why Organizing into American Militias/Minutemen or Boogaloo is extremely necessary in the coming weeks...

98 Days to Civil WAR !

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Jul 27, 2020 22:13:23   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
From one of many vets. I would never go to obstruct what the President is doing. I think since this is almost like martial law, he should set curfews though. I agree with the Marine vet that Squiddiddler quoted, not those others.


I'm guessing you don't believe that Trump or the federal agents are violating the Constitution.

Or would that matter to you? You said you would never obstruct what the President is doing. Was that specifically a reference to Trump?

Or are you saying that you would never go to obstruct what any president is doing even if what that president is doing is a violation of the Constitution?

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Jul 27, 2020 22:58:44   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
You haven't been around them, have you? Not the federal troops, the asshole antifa and blm bozos. They will do as much as they can possibly get away with. Why do you think I shoot them? Play? I'm protecting many who cannot or will not protect themselves. Do you know how you come off? A scared little bunny who isso very glad he isn't there. Come here, I'll take you there.


I see you've responded with numerous posts - I'm going to try to consolidate. It should be easy if they turn out being more of the fluff I see in this one. zzzz

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

Neither, the Bundies were for freedom. You can't say that about blm especially now that we've seen George Floyd's autopsy or so they say.

The Bundies were not about freedom. They set fire to federal land, refused to pay the fees for grazing on federal land and resisted federal authorities that were trying to enforce the law. Be real... If they were black you would have been cheering the feds, just like you are now. But they were white and they were ranchers and when they resisted the authorities with guns, you got warm fuzzies and all of a sudden they're about freedom.

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

straightUp wrote:

Do you think it's OK for the president to override the authority of the state in matters not involving federal law?

Obammy did and he told that to AZ in no uncertain terms.

I'm not asking Obama, I'm asking you.

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

Airfart, you gave yourself away.

WTF makes you think I'm hiding?

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

I have a very good idea what Nam vets think, I am one.

All that means is you're old. Get over yourself gramps.

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

Those out of town ones, who called them or were they antifa fakes? Either way they took the oath to protect America against enemies foreign and domestic.

Not America... the Constitution of the United States of America. The protesters are not the ones violating the Constitution, the Trump Administration is.

Seriously old man, you really need to assess this situation a little better. I don't expect you to get over your prejudices but you should at least be aware of which side of the line you are standing on.

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Jul 27, 2020 23:04:29   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
On timeon target wrote:
As a combat veteran, I think your whole "straight up" post is entirely BS!

OK

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Jul 27, 2020 23:32:13   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

So far activations continue and they are now joining anti protests and marches and that’s what’s happening so far... that’s what’s being accomplished so far compAred to Nothing in the past....

Just keep your eyes and ears ready for anything cause it’s going to tip over soon.

Some groups have agendas
Others dont
Some will join ranks with others
Some wont
There is no perfect plan for what is happening until it starts... then the organizing and consolidating will be forced and everyone will be Conscripted.
>>> br br So far activations continue an... (show quote)


So... just start shooting and figure things out later? No offense but that seems kinda dumb.

Who do you think is going to organize conscription?

And even if they could, then what? Everyone is conscripted, everyone is at war. That seems to be the extent of your vision so far. I hope that's not it.

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Jul 27, 2020 23:45:54   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Well it’s not just them...
It’s the Multicultural Experiment gone Disaster in America... with
Muslim Scumbags
Hispanic illegal and legal Invader Scumbags involved inGangs
Koreans
Philippinos who could careless about anything but consumption
Islanders

None of the above have ever assimilated EVER !
They are all in their own anti American Clique’s and they will be split and fighting against you when it starts.

This is why Organizing into American Militias/Minutemen or Boogaloo is extremely necessary in the coming weeks...

98 Days to Civil WAR !
>>> br br Well it’s not just them... br ... (show quote)


What about those greasy little wops? Isn't that what you are? A dago? Wops never assimilated either. We just think they did because America adapted to their culture. Today pizza is as American as apple pie. This is how America works, it changes as it adapts to the people that come here. It's why we call it a melting pot and it's one of the great things about America. Too bad each influx of culture is resisted by people who are scared shitless of change.

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Jul 28, 2020 15:38:31   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
straightUp wrote:
Nothing in this story conflicts with anything I've stated. You got a guy caught in the chaos that Trump created by sending in his goons. Perhaps you didn't understand what I meant by provocation? I was suggesting that federal agents were sent to Portland to provoke chaos.

Apparently they succeeded.

Now a city in chaos is going to generate a LOT of different stories. You may have had a hard time with the story I got from the Guardian. The media is all over Portland looking for perspectives that they know their audience wants to hear. There's left-wing media, right-wing media and everything in between and they're all in their looking for stories. Gabriel Johnson is a guy Fox picked up to extract a story that favors their narrative.

Were black people calling him the "n-word"?
It's likely.
Was he chased around with baseball bats?
ehhh... I think it's more likely that gestures were made and he was exaggerating to the reporter, but nevertheless, a lot of things can happen in chaos.

The sad thing here is that he was trying to use Old Glory as a unifying symbol and I think this was probably the very thing that drew the hostility. I think it's terrible that it's come to this but I think it has at least in the throes of a riot and I can think of two possible reasons for it...

For one, I think that for some Americans the flag of their nation is being hijacked by white supremacists.

A lot of people are protesting with BLM because they lost friends or relatives not just to police brutality but the bigger scope of brutality that comes from the white-on-black racism that our system is known for turning a blind eye toward. Here's the thing... white supremacists are HUGE on symbols and they never show up with an an American flag as if to claim it as theirs. After seeing is enough, I'm sure it burns down to an associative level in the mind of a black American.

The other possibility is the fact that they are in a city in which protesters are literally being attacked by federal forces and well, Old Glory represents the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, which is technically a reference to the federal government.

Either way, the guy was literally parading it through a riot. So it's hard not expect him to get *some* insults and gestures along the way. I didn't see much hostility in the video - in fact when he suggested people stand by him and his flag, I saw protesters doing just that. All of the hostility described was his word.

In any case, like I said... Lots of media, lot of stories with different messages. But none of that matters in a true analysis of the situation. The hundreds of stories the media can pull out of it can be sold and fed into public opinion but none of it changes...

The fact that civil unrest has increased since federal troops have arrived.
The likeliness that it was intentional based on one or more of the motives I've already described.
The fact that neither the city nor the state had requested any assistance.

This is why I am saying that your story changes nothing about my suggestions.
Nothing in this story conflicts with anything I've... (show quote)


Nice try, but your arguments fall flat.

***The fact that civil unrest has increased since federal troops have arrived.
>>>That is the fault of the rioters and they are not peaceful protesters but a mob attacking a Federal building and the Federal Authorities are there because the local police were prevented from protecting that Federal building and all sorts of buildings and people throughout Portland.

***The likeliness that it was intentional based on one or more of the motives I've already described.
>>>Completely disproved

***The fact that neither the city nor the state had requested any assistance.
>>>It was because of the city and state not doing anything to protect the city itself and Federal property.

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Jul 28, 2020 18:33:35   #
the J man Loc: California
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
straight up's post shows the crap coming from Antifa, BLM and it is a stupid post backing these anarchist, Nazis, and Marxists. And he does nothing to help the cause of a free America, but instead doubles down on that insanity.

Squiddidler's post tells the reality of the hate for American that flows through the evil bones of that mob. They aren't peaceful protesters. PERIOD. They are a destructive mob.

Keep it up President Trump and down with the pussy minded, chicken hearted, Democrat Politicians in Portland.

Logically Right
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you are so logically wrong as usual, and they only hate the racism in America. they love America probably more than you do

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Jul 29, 2020 15:26:42   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Nice try, but your arguments fall flat.

***The fact that civil unrest has increased since federal troops have arrived.
>>>That is the fault of the rioters

Based on what? Your say-so? Is that how this conversation is going to go? Reality is whatever you say it is?

The fact is neither of us are there, so neither of us really know. This is why I mentioned the facts that we DO know... like the fact that civil unrest has increased (for whatever reason) since federal troops have arrived.

From there, several rational assumptions can be made.

1. The rioters coincidentally escalated violence after the federal agents arrived.
2. The rioters escalated violence in reaction to the federal presence.
3. The rioters escalated violence in reaction to the federal agents abusive actions and violation of their rights

I think the first assumption is the least likely and the other two add weight to my earlier assertion that the federal agents are there specifically to provoke an escalation.

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

and they are not peaceful protesters but a mob attacking a Federal building and the Federal Authorities are there because the local police were prevented from protecting that Federal building and all sorts of buildings and people throughout Portland.

The federal buildings weren't touched until AFTER the federal goons arrived. As for the rest of the buildings and people there wasn't anything that local authorities weren't able to handle, which is why they never asked for any help.

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

***The likeliness that it was intentional based on one or more of the motives I've already described.
>>>Completely disproved

Says who? Based on what? Is this really all you got? All you're doing to just saying "No, it's not... No, it's not." You're not proving anything other than the irony of calling yourself logical.

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

***The fact that neither the city nor the state had requested any assistance.
>>>It was because of the city and state not doing anything to protect the city itself and Federal property.

Whether that's true or not doesn't change what I said. The fact still remains that neither the city nor the state had requested any assistance from the federal government.

Also, the notion that the city and state refused to protect the people and property of Portland is stated without a shred of evidence and the only people that believe that incredible story are the semi-literate deplorables looking for excuses.

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Jul 29, 2020 15:34:08   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
the J man wrote:
you are so logically wrong as usual, and they only hate the racism in America. they love America probably more than you do


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Jul 29, 2020 15:48:05   #
straightUp Loc: California
 

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