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Jul 27, 2020 00:11:12   #
Sicilianthing
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
***I wouldn't be surprised if what I do in a day to help the cause of a free America is more than you've ever done in your life.
>>>I doubt it.

***They're Americans. Americans don't like to be pushed around by overbearing authorities.
>>>And the rest of America doesn't like being bullied by a bunch of leftist brats that need a good spanking that they should have had while growing up. Maybe they might have learned a little respect for authority and not be a bunch of whining children hiding behind masks like their predecessors the KKK. Assaulting police is a crime and not peaceful protest. Burning and looting are crimes and not peaceful protest.

***Especially the Americans that live in Oregon.
>>>What the hell makes them anything special other then poor upbringing by liberal parents and brainwashed by public school education. And a lot of those protesters are not even from Oregon but paid professional violent protesters and agitators.

***You don't remember the last time federal authorities had a run in with Oregonians? 'Seem you conservatives were against the federal authorities that time. Is that because it was a branch of the federal government called BLM? Or is it because the Bundy's wore cowboy hats?
>>>I do remember and I was against BLM and the way that all went about including that murder along the highway. But you simple minded sorts can't get things through your thick brainwashed minds. That BLM was the Bureau of Land Management. This BLM is a Marxist organization riding the waves of a cute phrase that the likes of you can't seen to keep straight. They don't give a damn about blacks and whether their lives matter. The blacks are just a tool that will be discarded after the riots are over and the election is over just like the racist Democrats ignore the blacks between elections.

Got it now cupcake.
***I wouldn't be surprised if what I do in a day t... (show quote)


>>>

What a conundrum and it’s about to turn deadly.

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Jul 27, 2020 10:04:40   #
currahee506
 
The federal agents have the right to protect federal property and the right to protect civilian property in the private sector if the mayor fails to do his/job. These vets have no right to interfere with the arrest of criminals just because they have been brainwashed to hate our president. Most of the combat vets from the 'Nam War see through some of these REMFs and their disgraceful activities which give the left its needed boost for their Alinsky propaganda. The nerve of them invoking the American Constitution.

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Jul 27, 2020 10:52:03   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
***I wouldn't be surprised if what I do in a day to help the cause of a free America is more than you've ever done in your life.
>>>I doubt it.

I don't.

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

***They're Americans. Americans don't like to be pushed around by overbearing authorities.
>>>And the rest of America doesn't like being bullied by a bunch of leftist brats that need a good spanking that they should have had while growing up.

The reason why "rest of America" is being bullied by a bunch of "leftist brats" is because those "leftist brats" are actually the majority of American people who want to see America change for the better. In contrast, the deplorables are a political minority that have lost touch with reality and when they get outvoted they whine and cry about being bullied by "leftists" because they don't know what else to do but lash out with insults.

My favorite part of all this is how deplorables complain about being bullied by people who they portray as whiny brats. I find that hilarious.

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

Maybe they might have learned a little respect for authority and not be a bunch of whining children hiding behind masks like their predecessors the KKK.

The majority of Americans which you call "leftist brats" have nothing to do with the KKK and never did. We are perfectly aware that the last of the southern white supremacists switched to the Republican Party during the Nixon campaigns which explains why the south is predominantly Republican now. I've spent enough time in the South to know that didn't happen because all of sudden the people there stopped being racist.

Perhaps you underestimate the level of stupidity it actually takes to buy into some of your narratives. LOL

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

Assaulting police is a crime and not peaceful protest. Burning and looting are crimes and not peaceful protest.

Should I be congratulating you for figuring that out?

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

***Especially the Americans that live in Oregon.
>>>What the hell makes them anything special other then poor upbringing by liberal parents and brainwashed by public school education.

I don't know anything about their upbringing, I was simply pointing out that this isn't the first time Oregonians have squared off with federal authorities in recent history. I mentioned the Bundys and their face off with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). Apparently, that one flew over your head.

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

And a lot of those protesters are not even from Oregon but paid professional violent protesters and agitators.

Wow you are REALLY showing your lack of intelligence here. First of all, violent protesters and agitators are counterproductive to any form of protest so it wouldn't make any sense for BLM or any of the other organizers to pay for them. Secondly, America, being a free nation, has a long history of protests where agitation and violence are well known methods for sabotaging them not joining them. So is your statement really coming from your own inability to see the obvious or are you just parroting what you've heard?

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

***You don't remember the last time federal authorities had a run in with Oregonians? 'Seem you conservatives were against the federal authorities that time. Is that because it was a branch of the federal government called BLM? Or is it because the Bundy's wore cowboy hats?
>>>I do remember and I was against BLM and the way that all went about including that murder along the highway.

So then my assumption that you were opposed to the Bureau of Land Management during that ordeal was correct. Then again, the hive-mind of the right-wing bandwagon made that an easy assumption to make. Whatever your daddy says right? Is that because he used to beat you? Is that why you got a hang up about kids that don't get spanked. Aw, man - I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

But you simple minded sorts can't get things through your thick brainwashed minds. That BLM was the Bureau of Land Management. This BLM is a Marxist organization riding the waves of a cute phrase that the likes of you can't seen to keep straight.

LOL - Oh, I know the difference between a federal agency and an activist organization that you think is Marxist because that's what your daddy tells you. And I'm laughing at how you decide which side to support. The Bundy's broke federal laws and federal agents were there to deal with the crimes, but you opposed the federal agents then. Now, the federal agents are back in Oregon, this time to harass protesters and you support them because you think the protesters are Marxists. Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

They don't give a damn about blacks and whether their lives matter. The blacks are just a tool that will be discarded after the riots are over and the election is over just like the racist Democrats ignore the blacks between elections.

So... we're talking about Marxists here? Well, I don't spend a lot of time chasing right-wing delusions, so I guess you'll have to remain the expert there - LOL... But I can tell you that BLM has succeeded in bringing police reform to the table. Cities all over the country are passing reform initiatives and so are states and even Congress is working on police reform bills. These efforts are a direct result of the peaceful protests organized by BLM.

I realize this upsets the true racists on the right to no end but I expect their outrage will eventually be confined to their own backyard pity parties just like it does every time things get a little better for black people. In the meantime, I guess we have just have to deal with the tantrums for a little while.

Trump's goons will continue to show the world how ineffective they are against the will of the people who will kick Trump out in a few months anyway. Biden will call the federal agents back and restore constitutional rights. Reform will proceed and the deplorables will fester in their racist misery as always.

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Jul 27, 2020 11:52:12   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
currahee506 wrote:
The federal agents have the right to protect federal property

That's not what you folks on the right were saying the last time federal forces came to Oregon to deal with the Bundys who intentionally set fire to federal land. Hypocrisy, anyone?

So what the violation this time? Oh, graffiti... on one federal building? Clearly, a situation so dire that Trump had to send hundreds of combat-ready agents. I mean, how else are they going to protect their building from kids with spray cans, right?

currahee506 wrote:

and the right to protect civilian property in the private sector if the mayor fails to do his/job.

I don't think so Sparky. But feel free to prove me wrong. It would mean you have to find the law that says so.

currahee506 wrote:

These vets have no right to interfere with the arrest of criminals just because they have been brainwashed to hate our president.

Those vets are well within their rights and their opinions about Trump have nothing to do with why they are there. The fact is, the federal agents following Trump's orders are violating the Constitution and the vets are there to remind those federal agents of their oath to protect the constitution even if it means disobeying orders. Who else is going to tell them that?

currahee506 wrote:

Most of the combat vets from the 'Nam War see through some of these REMFs and their disgraceful activities which give the left its needed boost for their Alinsky propaganda.

LOL - As if you have any clue what "most combat vets from the 'Nam War" think.

currahee506 wrote:

The nerve of them invoking the American Constitution.

It's called the U.S. Constitution and most Americans are familiar enough with it to know that Trump and his federal goons are violating several of its provisions, especially the 4th Amendment.

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Jul 27, 2020 11:58:35   #
Sicilianthing
 
currahee506 wrote:
The federal agents have the right to protect federal property and the right to protect civilian property in the private sector if the mayor fails to do his/job. These vets have no right to interfere with the arrest of criminals just because they have been brainwashed to hate our president. Most of the combat vets from the 'Nam War see through some of these REMFs and their disgraceful activities which give the left its needed boost for their Alinsky propaganda. The nerve of them invoking the American Constitution.
The federal agents have the right to protect feder... (show quote)


>>>

It’s a conundrum

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Jul 27, 2020 11:59:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

What a conundrum and it’s about to turn deadly.


I hope it doesn't but what makes you say that? Anything specific or does it just seem inevitable?

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Jul 27, 2020 12:08:40   #
Sicilianthing
 
straightUp wrote:
I hope it doesn't but what makes you say that? Anything specific or does it just seem inevitable?


>>>

Militias are activating everywhere from all groups...
agent provocateurs are present and they will start a firefight soon.

Running Street battles are coming next... you gotta know this.

98 Days to Civil WAR

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Jul 27, 2020 16:18:23   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Militias are activating everywhere from all groups...
agent provocateurs are present and they will start a firefight soon.

Running Street battles are coming next... you gotta know this.

98 Days to Civil WAR


I kinda had a feeling that's what you were referring to - I just wasn't sure.

I have no doubt that militias are getting pretty excited right about now. There's already an infiltration of Proud Boys and Boogaloos in Portland that suit up the same way the federal agents do which is why clear identification is such a big issue for Portland authorities.

But I really don't see much that distinguishes these militia boys from street gangs though, other than a penchant for shopping at army surplus stores. I don't see any defined objectives or agendas. It seems they just want to kick ass and that's about the extent of it. More times than not people with that attitude wind up losing.

So, do you have any idea what these militia groups actually hope to accomplish?

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Jul 27, 2020 17:15:14   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
straight up's post shows the crap coming from Antifa, BLM and it is a stupid post backing these anarchist, Nazis, and Marxists. And he does nothing to help the cause of a free America, but instead doubles down on that insanity.

Squiddidler's post tells the reality of the hate for American that flows through the evil bones of that mob. They aren't peaceful protesters. PERIOD. They are a destructive mob.

Keep it up President Trump and down with the pussy minded, chicken hearted, Democrat Politicians in Portland.

Logically Right
straight up's post shows the crap coming from Anti... (show quote)


From one of many vets. I would never go to obstruct what the President is doing. I think since this is almost like martial law, he should set curfews though. I agree with the Marine vet that Squiddiddler quoted, not those others.

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Jul 27, 2020 17:23:09   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
straightUp wrote:
Nothing in this story conflicts with anything I've stated. You got a guy caught in the chaos that Trump created by sending in his goons. Perhaps you didn't understand what I meant by provocation? I was suggesting that federal agents were sent to Portland to provoke chaos.

Apparently they succeeded.

Now a city in chaos is going to generate a LOT of different stories. You may have had a hard time with the story I got from the Guardian. The media is all over Portland looking for perspectives that they know their audience wants to hear. There's left-wing media, right-wing media and everything in between and they're all in their looking for stories. Gabriel Johnson is a guy Fox picked up to extract a story that favors their narrative.

Were black people calling him the "n-word"?
It's likely.
Was he chased around with baseball bats?
ehhh... I think it's more likely that gestures were made and he was exaggerating to the reporter, but nevertheless, a lot of things can happen in chaos.

The sad thing here is that he was trying to use Old Glory as a unifying symbol and I think this was probably the very thing that drew the hostility. I think it's terrible that it's come to this but I think it has at least in the throes of a riot and I can think of two possible reasons for it...

For one, I think that for some Americans the flag of their nation is being hijacked by white supremacists.

A lot of people are protesting with BLM because they lost friends or relatives not just to police brutality but the bigger scope of brutality that comes from the white-on-black racism that our system is known for turning a blind eye toward. Here's the thing... white supremacists are HUGE on symbols and they never show up with an an American flag as if to claim it as theirs. After seeing is enough, I'm sure it burns down to an associative level in the mind of a black American.

The other possibility is the fact that they are in a city in which protesters are literally being attacked by federal forces and well, Old Glory represents the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, which is technically a reference to the federal government.

Either way, the guy was literally parading it through a riot. So it's hard not expect him to get *some* insults and gestures along the way. I didn't see much hostility in the video - in fact when he suggested people stand by him and his flag, I saw protesters doing just that. All of the hostility described was his word.

In any case, like I said... Lots of media, lot of stories with different messages. But none of that matters in a true analysis of the situation. The hundreds of stories the media can pull out of it can be sold and fed into public opinion but none of it changes...

The fact that civil unrest has increased since federal troops have arrived.
The likeliness that it was intentional based on one or more of the motives I've already described.
The fact that neither the city nor the state had requested any assistance.

This is why I am saying that your story changes nothing about my suggestions.
Nothing in this story conflicts with anything I've... (show quote)


You haven't been around them, have you? Not the federal troops, the asshole antifa and blm bozos. They will do as much as they can possibly get away with. Why do you think I shoot them? Play? I'm protecting many who cannot or will not protect themselves. Do you know how you come off? A scared little bunny who isso very glad he isn't there. Come here, I'll take you there.

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Jul 27, 2020 17:26:06   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 


Exactly! To be sort of fair, these out of town vets, who asked for them? Yes dress up.

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Jul 27, 2020 17:28:53   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
straightUp wrote:
They're Americans. Americans don't like to be pushed around by overbearing authorities. Especially the Americans that live in Oregon. You don't remember the last time federal authorities had a run in with Oregonians? 'Seem you conservatives were against the federal authorities that time. Is that because it was a branch of the federal government called BLM? Or is it because the Bundy's wore cowboy hats?


Neither, the Bundies were for freedom. You can't say that about blm especially now that we've seen George Floyd's autopsy or so they say.

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Jul 27, 2020 17:30:37   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
straightUp wrote:
Honestly, I can't see how you know this just because you took the oath.

But since you did, let me ask you a direct question... Do you think it's OK for the president to override the authority of the state in matters not involving federal law?


Obammy did and he told that to AZ in no uncertain terms.

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Jul 27, 2020 17:32:51   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Just as I predicted, soon the Vets, Militias, LEO, Guard, Military will all begin to split the herd....

Opposing views
Conflicting ideologies
False narratives
Compromised by the propaganda war and the threat on their fellow man and young.

Guess what comes next ?


I can think of many things, but I'm krrping my eyes on the prize. The ChiComs.

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Jul 27, 2020 17:34:57   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
currahee506 wrote:
The federal agents have the right to protect federal property and the right to protect civilian property in the private sector if the mayor fails to do his/job. These vets have no right to interfere with the arrest of criminals just because they have been brainwashed to hate our president. Most of the combat vets from the 'Nam War see through some of these REMFs and their disgraceful activities which give the left its needed boost for their Alinsky propaganda. The nerve of them invoking the American Constitution.
The federal agents have the right to protect feder... (show quote)



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