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Apr 27, 2014 05:49:44   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
rumitoid wrote:
Lol, it does seem that certain facts do have that tendency at least here at opp. I am sometimes amazed and disappointed that so many fail to do even a little research and just accept things like that paranoid video at face value. Confirmation bias at its very best.

But as a child and well into my twenties I was the quiet good little boy strictly trained in please and thank you and otherwise remain silent. And maybe that explains the stick and the hornet's nest.

That the facts I presented are undeniable, I am curious if anyone from the Gun club will respond. If I were a betting man I would say....
Lol, it does seem that certain facts do have that ... (show quote)

Still living at home with mom and dad.

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Apr 27, 2014 08:21:46   #
stan3186
 
rumitoid wrote:
Lol, you mean analyzing something to find the level of truth or lie is somehow an evil trick of the Left? The argument was made that gun control under Hitler was a) stricter,and b) used to confiscate guns from ALL the citizens--are outright lies. Is that being needlessly picky to point out falsehoods or just being intelligent?
These lies have been used as a fundamental argument against gun control. The NRA nut's book is a case in point: "The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. “The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition...”
Since when is seeking facts and the truth a defect to be avoided? Reality can be harsh sometimes.
Lol, you mean analyzing something to find the leve... (show quote)


You seem to always want to twist the truth to your advantage, but you messed up with this one. Hitler knew the German non jew would not raise arms to defend the Jews. The German people were brainwashed into thinking that the Jews were the reason for the German economic downfall. It was in fact because they lost the war.
You did post that he wouldn't allow Jews to own guns. Why do you think that was? It is obvious that he disarmed the part of the population that may actually fight against him.
Your argument sir is disingenuous at best but most just BS from a radical libertard. Heil Obama.

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Apr 27, 2014 08:39:02   #
jeff smith
 
oh yes. Nazi and their friends could own firearms. but not the other people that they wanted in a submissive role.it was the beginning of the take over, for the Nazi dictator. you are right that there is a lot of misperseption of what went on in Germany back then . but Hitler wanted to do some very bad things and had to be stopped.

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Apr 27, 2014 11:17:43   #
Comment Loc: California
 
rumitoid wrote:
Lol, it does seem that certain facts do have that tendency at least here at opp. I am sometimes amazed and disappointed that so many fail to do even a little research and just accept things like that paranoid video at face value. Confirmation bias at its very best.

But as a child and well into my twenties I was the quiet good little boy strictly trained in please and thank you and otherwise remain silent. And maybe that explains the stick and the hornet's nest.

That the facts I presented are undeniable, I am curious if anyone from the Gun club will respond. If I were a betting man I would say....
Lol, it does seem that certain facts do have that ... (show quote)


I have 3 hand guns, one 22 cal long barrel rifle and a long pellet gun. I am a gun ownership advocate. Rumi, thanks for the article. I had no opinion as Germany's gum policies 80 yrs ago and don't see the relevance of it today. Perhaps, some folks are looking for an excuse why we ought to bear arms and are looking at History, realistic or not as a reason to bear arms today. The second amendment is all the assurance we need. However, I fear that the erosion of the Constitution is a real threat to us all. The real lesson in history that we all should investigate is the fall of the Roman empire, never to rise again as a world power. How it rose to power and how it failed. Over spending and debt cause it to fail. Beware.

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Apr 27, 2014 11:20:49   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
Billhuggins wrote:
I have 3 hand guns, one 22 cal long barrel rifle and a long pellet gun. I am a gun ownership advocate. Rumi, thanks for the article. I had no opinion as Germany's gum policies 80 yrs ago and don't see the relevance of it today. Perhaps, some folks are looking for an excuse why we ought to bear arms and are looking at History, realistic or not as a reason to bear arms today. The second amendment is all the assurance we need. However, I fear that the erosion of the Constitution is a real threat to us all. The real lesson in history that we all should investigate is the fall of the Roman empire, never to rise again as a world power. How it rose to power and how it failed. Over spending and debt cause it to fail. Beware.
I have 3 hand guns, one 22 cal long barrel rifle a... (show quote)

And it's expansion policy.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:04:25   #
Comment Loc: California
 
cant beleve wrote:
And it's expansion policy.


It spit in two. "D" expansion."

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Apr 27, 2014 12:17:07   #
rumitoid
 
stan3186 wrote:
You seem to always want to twist the truth to your advantage, but you messed up with this one. Hitler knew the German non jew would not raise arms to defend the Jews. The German people were brainwashed into thinking that the Jews were the reason for the German economic downfall. It was in fact because they lost the war.
You did post that he wouldn't allow Jews to own guns. Why do you think that was? It is obvious that he disarmed the part of the population that may actually fight against him.
Your argument sir is disingenuous at best but most just BS from a radical libertard. Heil Obama.
You seem to always want to twist the truth to you... (show quote)


This is simply amazing! I have repeated the point of this thread at least ten times and no one seems able to read and comprehend. I will type slowly.
THE...POINT...OF...THIS...THREAD...AND...THE...ONLY...THING...I...HAVE...COMMENTED...ON...IS...THIS: THE RIGHT TOLD A BOLDFACED LIE ABOUT THE HITLER GUN LAW TO ARGUE AGAINST CONTROL HERE.

That's it! I have not been making any other point. Nearly everyone has been off topic and not one person said, "Why did they do something so stupid? Anyone can look at the history of Nazi Germany and see that Hitler did not confiscate ALL the guns of ALL the citizens. They make us all look stupid and it ends up weakening our position."

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Apr 27, 2014 12:22:24   #
rumitoid
 
LurkingTom wrote:
facts ... they don't need no stinkin' facts. you should know that by now!?!


Another person who has a low reading comprehension. I am not discussing Hitler's gun control law. I am discussing the lies told about Hitler's gun control by the Right. Reread that last sentence. I presented the facts, which can be easily verified in any history book or net search, that Hitler did not confiscate ALL the guns of ALL THE CITIZENS. Period! That's it! The Right said he did and the fact is he didn't. Anything else is off topic.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:25:57   #
rumitoid
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Evidently you believed it before doing your research.

Why do those on the left believe everything they are told, some of which are outright, blatant lies? A simple search, as you suggest, would certainly reveal the truth.

People will speak confidently about things they truly believe, especially when it is commonly believed by a great many others. As such, they see no reason to do any research. Fortunately some. as you did, will seek to verify their commonly held beliefs.


This is getting ridiculous. The Right believes it; the Left looked up and found it to be a lie. Simple.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:32:05   #
rumitoid
 
ginnyt wrote:
If it has escaped you, the laws that granted the possession of firearms was for good National Socialist German Workers Party, aka Nazi, only. Anyone that was considered "an enemy of the state" which was defined by the accusing official, could be just about anyone that was not a card carrying Nazi. I recommend a book entitled: 'Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and "Enemies of the State." Authored by Stephen Halbrook. Stephen Halbrook is an eminent constitutional lawyer and scholar who has successfully argued or been cited in several cases before the U.S supreme Court -- e.g., the important Printz vs. the United States (1997), District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), and McDonald v. Chicago (2010). He holds a Ph.D. in philosophy from Florida State University and J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center.

I believe strongly in our 2nd Amendment, for you see had many of the people considered "enemies of the state" had not been stripped of their firearms, then perhaps the 1.5 million children (children defined as anyone under the age of 13) would not have been murdered; another 11 million others; that included Gypsy, blacks, Soviet POWs, and homosexuals would not have been murdered. But, you see the 1939 law that addressed the rights of the Arian Race as the pure race is an acceptable argument for gun control. I do not see that the excluded "enemies of the state" as inconsequential to your post. I think that it should have been addressed if you had indeed intended your copy from Wikipedia as an unbiased historical and factual documentation of gun control in Germany.
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If it has escaped you, the laws that granted the p... (show quote)


For the very last time. This thread I started is not discussing the Hitler gun control law. Reread last sentence for apparently you are unaware of this. One point and only ONE POINT: The Right lied about confiscation. Period. That's it! My only point.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:35:37   #
rumitoid
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
When you are in your leftist mode, you are as castigating, denigrating, and nasty, though never profane, as any of the others on these threads. It is as though you are a completely different person, as AuntieE says, your doppelgänger has taken over.


Show me where. I have not said a single nasty thing to anyone. Everyone has failed to address my point and took the opportunity instead to name call and insult and argue against points I did not make. I have not once retaliated. You are lying here.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:36:11   #
allosaur
 
Oh, so the "big lie" about Hitler makes it OK for Big Brother to confiscate my handgun now. Tell you what, I like it in my car's glove compartment and I fully intend to keep it there. You never know what punk(s) may take advantage should they see me by the road with car trouble. Thank you and have a safe day.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:39:37   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
rumitoid wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. The Right believes it; the Left looked up and found it to be a lie. Simple.


You have made your point, Hitler didn't confiscate guns, now let it die. Your ranting is becoming ridiculous.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:40:36   #
rumitoid
 
ginnyt wrote:
Wikipedia is not a valid source, just as You Tube is not a valid source. If you are interested in the truth, it takes more than a simple Google search. It requires hours, days, weeks, months, years of research, reading old news papers, documents from historical societies, the original laws or accounts recorded in diaries from the time period. Even then, to be verifiable information, you have to have three or more agreeing sources. It is pretentious to offer a singular source as documentation if you are saying your research is unbiased and historical in nature. And, I agree one should never form an opinion that they will defend without doing adequate homework.
Wikipedia is not a valid source, just as You Tube ... (show quote)

ginnyt, the utube was not mine but posted by someone on the Right. In that utube the BIG LIE was told about Hitler's gun control law. And you're right: utube is not a valid source but for this person on the Right and those Righties who replied to that thread believe it to be a valid source and believed what it said. Which had me start a search of that law.
My source to refute is a) history, where the law as written and followed can be found and easily verified,and b) salon. It does not require anything more. It is stunningly plain and simple.

If the law as outlined on wikipedia is wrong, disprove it. Saying it is not a valid source on this particular subject demands evidence.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:42:30   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
ginnyt wrote:
Wikipedia is not a valid source, just as You Tube is not a valid source. If you are interested in the truth, it takes more than a simple Google search. It requires hours, days, weeks, months, years of research, reading old news papers, documents from historical societies, the original laws or accounts recorded in diaries from the time period. Even then, to be verifiable information, you have to have three or more agreeing sources. It is pretentious to offer a singular source as documentation if you are saying your research is unbiased and historical in nature. And, I agree one should never form an opinion that they will defend without doing adequate homework.
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