The BIG LIE about Hitler and gun confication
Apr 26, 2014 11:04:44 #
Responding to the paranoid, fear-mongering madness of this video: http://www.youtube.com/embed/0sujnvIV4g4
I suppose it can happen here and many probably believe it already has, with the hysteria I see about the NWO. But it is interesting to note that the greatest killer on this planet is the mosquito. Averaging over 2 million deaths a year for the last 50 years, it is estimated than in its entire history over a billion people have died at the hands of this little creature. Taken in context, 290 million by governments is tame. We have more to fear from a tiny bug.
If you do not want to read the following information that is factual, let me summarize: the Hitler confiscation of guns is a BIG LIE, A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION OF THE TRUTH.
The truth about Germany and guns, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany:
"The treaty of Versailles of 1919 had stipulations to disarm the government. Fearing inability to hold the state together during the depression, the German government adopted a sweeping series of gun confiscation legislation against the citizens prior to completely disarming the German military. Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles explicitly targeted the state: "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."[1]
"In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately."[2] Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks."
Under Hitler:
"The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." But under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."[3]
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[4]
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[4]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[3]
Jews were prohibited from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms. They were also forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[3]"
Cut and paste from Salon:
Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyones guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitlers, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition, Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.
I suppose it can happen here and many probably believe it already has, with the hysteria I see about the NWO. But it is interesting to note that the greatest killer on this planet is the mosquito. Averaging over 2 million deaths a year for the last 50 years, it is estimated than in its entire history over a billion people have died at the hands of this little creature. Taken in context, 290 million by governments is tame. We have more to fear from a tiny bug.
If you do not want to read the following information that is factual, let me summarize: the Hitler confiscation of guns is a BIG LIE, A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION OF THE TRUTH.
The truth about Germany and guns, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany:
"The treaty of Versailles of 1919 had stipulations to disarm the government. Fearing inability to hold the state together during the depression, the German government adopted a sweeping series of gun confiscation legislation against the citizens prior to completely disarming the German military. Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles explicitly targeted the state: "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."[1]
"In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately."[2] Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks."
Under Hitler:
"The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." But under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."[3]
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[4]
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[4]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[3]
Jews were prohibited from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms. They were also forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[3]"
Cut and paste from Salon:
Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyones guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitlers, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition, Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.
Apr 26, 2014 11:16:44 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
rumitoid wrote:
Responding to the paranoid, fear-mongering madness... (show quote)
Did you, as a child, like to stir up hornet's nests? :mrgreen:
The habit has followed you to this day. :lol: :thumbup:
Apr 26, 2014 11:30:33 #
slatten49 wrote:
Did you, as a child, like to stir up hornet's nests? :mrgreen:
The habit has followed you to this day. :lol: :thumbup:
The habit has followed you to this day. :lol: :thumbup:
Lol, it does seem that certain facts do have that tendency at least here at opp. I am sometimes amazed and disappointed that so many fail to do even a little research and just accept things like that paranoid video at face value. Confirmation bias at its very best.
But as a child and well into my twenties I was the quiet good little boy strictly trained in please and thank you and otherwise remain silent. And maybe that explains the stick and the hornet's nest.
That the facts I presented are undeniable, I am curious if anyone from the Gun club will respond. If I were a betting man I would say....
Apr 26, 2014 11:32:04 #
I suppose disarming jews doesn't count as disarming the citizens. Of the 6 to 7 million that were slaughtered approximately 2 million were adult males. If only half of these had the inclination and a gun what would have happened. 1 million men armed and willing to fight is huge. the paranoid, fear-mongering madness of this video: http://www.youtube.com/embed/0sujnvIV4g4
I suppose it can happen here and many probably believe it already has, with the hysteria I see about the NWO. But it is interesting to note that the greatest killer on this planet is the mosquito. Averaging over 2 million deaths a year for the last 50 years, it is estimated than in its entire history over a billion people have died at the hands of this little creature. Taken in context, 290 million by governments is tame. We have more to fear from a tiny bug.
If you do not want to read the following information that is factual, let me summarize: the Hitler confiscation of guns is a BIG LIE, A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION OF THE TRUTH.
The truth about Germany and guns, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany:
"The treaty of Versailles of 1919 had stipulations to disarm the government. Fearing inability to hold the state together during the depression, the German government adopted a sweeping series of gun confiscation legislation against the citizens prior to completely disarming the German military. Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles explicitly targeted the state: "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."[1]
"In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately."[2] Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks."
Under Hitler:
"The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." But under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."[3]
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[4]
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[4]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[3]
Jews were prohibited from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms. They were also forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[3]"
Cut and paste from Salon:
Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyones guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitlers, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition, Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.[/quote]
I suppose it can happen here and many probably believe it already has, with the hysteria I see about the NWO. But it is interesting to note that the greatest killer on this planet is the mosquito. Averaging over 2 million deaths a year for the last 50 years, it is estimated than in its entire history over a billion people have died at the hands of this little creature. Taken in context, 290 million by governments is tame. We have more to fear from a tiny bug.
If you do not want to read the following information that is factual, let me summarize: the Hitler confiscation of guns is a BIG LIE, A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION OF THE TRUTH.
The truth about Germany and guns, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany:
"The treaty of Versailles of 1919 had stipulations to disarm the government. Fearing inability to hold the state together during the depression, the German government adopted a sweeping series of gun confiscation legislation against the citizens prior to completely disarming the German military. Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles explicitly targeted the state: "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."[1]
"In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately."[2] Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks."
Under Hitler:
"The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." But under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."[3]
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[4]
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[4]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[3]
Jews were prohibited from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms. They were also forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[3]"
Cut and paste from Salon:
Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyones guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitlers, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition, Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.[/quote]
Apr 26, 2014 11:34:57 #
bdh1863q wrote:
[/quote]I suppose disarming jews doesn't count as disarmin... (show quote)
The LIE is all citizens if you watched the video, using their registration as a means of disarmament, and the thought that the Jews had a chance against the German Army if they had guns does not hold water.
Apr 26, 2014 11:58:13 #
Cut and paste from Salon: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/
"Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyones guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
"University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitlers, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
"The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition, Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.[/quote]
"Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyones guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
"University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitlers, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
"The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition, Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.[/quote]
Apr 26, 2014 12:17:35 #
Wow
Imagine that. You found a hole to squeeze through. Bet your a joy at the movies nit picking them apart over one or two frames in error.
The constant picking apart of the big issues utilizing what usually amounts
to small portions of those issue's is typical. Very typical. Just walk into the ovens folks. BS
Imagine that. You found a hole to squeeze through. Bet your a joy at the movies nit picking them apart over one or two frames in error.
The constant picking apart of the big issues utilizing what usually amounts
to small portions of those issue's is typical. Very typical. Just walk into the ovens folks. BS
rumitoid wrote:
Responding to the paranoid, fear-mongering madness... (show quote)
Apr 26, 2014 12:29:53 #
What year was that? The average German was poorer than the average US citizen, remember they were still recovering from WW I. The average German could barely afford a weapon let alone fees to own that weapon and Hitler knew it.
rumitoid wrote:
Lol, it does seem that certain facts do have that ... (show quote)
Apr 26, 2014 12:35:08 #
missinglink wrote:
Wow
Imagine that. You found a hole to squeeze through. Bet your a joy at the movies nit picking them apart over one or two frames in error.
The constant picking apart of the big issues utilizing what usually amounts
to small portions of those issue's is typical. Very typical. Just walk into the ovens folks. BS
Imagine that. You found a hole to squeeze through. Bet your a joy at the movies nit picking them apart over one or two frames in error.
The constant picking apart of the big issues utilizing what usually amounts
to small portions of those issue's is typical. Very typical. Just walk into the ovens folks. BS
Lol, you mean analyzing something to find the level of truth or lie is somehow an evil trick of the Left? The argument was made that gun control under Hitler was a) stricter,and b) used to confiscate guns from ALL the citizens--are outright lies. Is that being needlessly picky to point out falsehoods or just being intelligent?
These lies have been used as a fundamental argument against gun control. The NRA nut's book is a case in point: "The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition...
Since when is seeking facts and the truth a defect to be avoided? Reality can be harsh sometimes.
Apr 26, 2014 12:42:14 #
By 1938 most all descent against the mother land and all it's newly acquired territories had been squelched. Why not allow all those good little Nazi's to arm themselves.They knew what was coming. How old are you?
rumitoid wrote:
Lol, you mean analyzing something to find the leve... (show quote)
Apr 26, 2014 12:43:44 #
rumitoid wrote:
Responding to the paranoid, fear-mongering madness... (show quote)
well good ol hitler wasent a bad fellow so lets all go give up our guns to the govt.just imagine how it would have been if there were no guns in nevada except blm.
Apr 26, 2014 12:46:50 #
bmac32 wrote:
What year was that? The average German was poorer than the average US citizen, remember they were still recovering from WW I. The average German could barely afford a weapon let alone fees to own that weapon and Hitler knew it.
During the 1920s up to the Great Depression, American banks heavily invested in Germany and they enjoyed a high level of (false) prosperity. Under Hitler, the nation once again started to thrive and its economy was sound: people had the money to buy guns during both periods.
Apr 26, 2014 13:00:38 #
rumitoid wrote:
Responding to the paranoid, fear-mongering madness... (show quote)
Rumitoid
Tried the link in your post and got NO information.
I tried: gun control laws, nazi germany. Received information that contradicts your statements.
Your comment.
Snoopy
Apr 26, 2014 13:10:52 #
Go here if ya want the straight poop.
http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/03/23/gun-supporters-use-nazi-hitler-references-irritates-historians.
Other than Jews, Germany was a homogenized nation under years of total Nazi Control. Why would they worry?
It really is a bad example in gun control issues and as usual a critic picked that mantel up. Overall the majority of Americans base their opinions on
the whole topic. Not a small crack to push their ideology through. Thank God
http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/03/23/gun-supporters-use-nazi-hitler-references-irritates-historians.
Other than Jews, Germany was a homogenized nation under years of total Nazi Control. Why would they worry?
It really is a bad example in gun control issues and as usual a critic picked that mantel up. Overall the majority of Americans base their opinions on
the whole topic. Not a small crack to push their ideology through. Thank God
Snoopy wrote:
Rumitoid
Tried the link in your post and got NO information.
I tried: gun control laws, nazi germany. Received information that contradicts your statements.
Your comment.
Snoopy
Tried the link in your post and got NO information.
I tried: gun control laws, nazi germany. Received information that contradicts your statements.
Your comment.
Snoopy
Apr 26, 2014 13:22:03 #
missinglink wrote:
By 1938 most all descent against the mother land and all it's newly acquired territories had been squelched. Why not allow all those good little Nazi's to arm themselves.They knew what was coming. How old are you?
I am 67. And there was wild support for Hitler until the 1944 when things started to go really wrong, yet the majority of German people still supported Hitler. But you are still off point. I was simply pointing out that the BIG LIE of using the gun control laws under Hitler in 1939 as an argument against gun control, for the exact opposite was true than what many on the Right present as fact. Looser, not stricter; and only the Jews (which was indeed terrible) lost their arms, not ALL the citizens as claimed. That is my one and only point.
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