77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States

You keep up with your idle threats because you can't stop the First Amendment there buddy you won't be able to shut me down nobody will I don't know who the hell you think you are trying to be holier than thou! The only person that ever walked this Earth that was ever perfect was crucified on the cross for my sins and you're not him so you might want to have a little brevity.

American Vet

Hey Voice - better watch out!!

77Reaganite say "you're going down"!!!

He is going to whap you with 17 run-on sentences! He will intentionally omit commas!

Oh the horror!!!

CarryOn

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

LOL. Is that what he said? I don't bother reading his posts any more. The first few that I read made it obvious that it's a waste of time.

My suggestion for anybody wishing to communicate with him istoleaveoutallthespacesbetweenwords.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Just curious...is your mother's computer raspberry pi-based?

Patriot1

Thanks. Great research.

CarryOn

LOL! You guys are a hoot! I was going to suggest that you stock up on punctuation marks to throw at him ... but I like the your idea better ... ought to drive him crazy.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Drive him crazy? It appears he's already been driven...and delivered!

CarryOn

Good point ...

straightUp Loc: California

Uh, COVID-19 started in China, Sparky... In a densely populated region. Two reasons that alone are enough to explain the higher numbers. Their response considering these factors was actually pretty good. The U.S response in contrast has been abysmal, there was more time to react and the virus trickled in one traveler at a time, rather than exploding out from an urban complex and yet we still managed to allow over a thousand cases AFTER your clown-ass hero told us it's nothing to worry about and that there's no reason to declare a national emergency. LOL. Of course this isn't what you want to hear, so you'll call it a liberal lie, right?


So you're going to blame the inability of "most" Americans to understand statistics on the MSM for reporting them? Jesus, that's rich.


Who are you talking too? Us liberals are calm as always... we're the ones that take our cues from science remember? We already know that as individuals the risk of death is very low, a wee bit higher for the elderly and the prone (auto-immune conditions etc...).

The concerns are that...
1. whether we die or not we don't want to get sick
2. it's proven to be biphasic which means the mortality rate can increase without adding new cases.
3. several mutations have already been identified
4. we haven't figured out how to contain it yet. Which is why governments and businesses are trying to limit large public gatherings.

The concern that pisses you off is the concern we have regarding Trump's ability to deal with it. I know he keeps saying that we have the best experts in the world and that we have "beautiful" test kits, but the it's becoming painfully clear how useless he really is. The credit for whatever responses have so far been effective go to the local governments and private health providers. Trump did sign a bill handed up from Pelosi for 8.3 billion, so kudos there, but that was far from an immediate response and a lot of that money should have already been the hands of the CDC.

Also, it doesn't matter how "beautiful" Trump thinks the test kits are, there's not enough. If you think about it, our reported cases are limited to the number test kits we have. You can't report a case without a test. That means China had a LOT more test kits at the ready than we did. It also means the number of infected Americans could be a lot higher than we think. We have reports of sick people with flu-like symptoms being told they they can't be tested because there's no test kit available, so they're asked to self-quarantine.

And if that's enough, Trump finally addresses the nation about the virus and 10 minutes later White House officials are walking back almost everything he said.

It's no wonder the stock market dropped like a brick... it's BECAUSE of the lack of confidence the market has in Trump's so-called "leadership". This is Trump's first crisis that isn't a stage act and he's f'n clueless.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Wow. Apparently you're becoming more addled than ever. Forgetfulness is the first sign of Alzheimers, you should get checked. I wrote the OP on 3/8/20. You responded the next day, 3/9, with this silly little gem:

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"So, what you're saying is that we have nothing to worry about because the situation is way worse in China. What kind of idiot babble is that? If that's the case then why did we freak out over 9/11 when just about every major city in Europe has seen far worse?

This is so typical of the right....

Here's the difference... On the left people compare our situations to a higher standard, namely what we think American is capable of. On the right they compare our situations to the lowest standards they can find.

According to them America can't possibly do any better 'cause look at China!

LAME."
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I replied to that the following day, 3/10, with this:
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"Wow...TDS must have completely destroyed what little was left of your brain after the 2016 election. What I said, and am still saying, is we have no reason to panic. I, quite clearly, used China as a worst-case scenario. I see no reason to suspect the disease will impact Americans worse than the Chinese. If you do, please explain why.

Are you claiming that the percentage of Americans who contract COVID-19 will be higher than the percentage of Chinese who do? If so, why?

Are you claiming that the percentage of Americans who die from COVID-19 will be higher than the percentage of Chinese who do? If so, why?

My point remains, so far the percentage of the Chinese population who've died from COVID-19, when translated to the US population, is fewer than 800 people.

To put that into perspective, so far in the worst-hit country, 2.23 out of every million persons have died from COVID-19. So far this year in Chicago, 32 out of every million people have been murdered. So the average Chicago resident has a 1400% greater chance of being murdered in the next 2 months than of dying from COVID-19. Yet most Chicago residents aren't in a panic over the possiblity of being murdered, nor should they be.
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Now you're responding to my OP again...but that's okay, I know that understanding and patience is required when dealing with those with diminished mental capacities...



So, according to you, the country that unleashed this virus on the world responded well, because they're communist, and the fact that they've had over 3000 deaths and 80,000 infections proves it. That's compared to our less than 2600 infections and 51 deaths (as of 3/14/2020 4:33PM EDT). Math isn't your strong suit, is it? Or maybe TDS just prevents rational thinking. Or maybe it's leftism. Or all of the above.

Given your inability to do math, I will helpfully point out that the numbers above show that, so far, about one in 6,400,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, while in China it's about one in 450,000."



No, I blame the leftists who've destroyed our education system for that. I'm explaining the numbers in an attempt to show there's no reason to panic.



LOL. Talk about rich! Glad to hear you're panicking calmly.

Cues from science? How many genders are there again? Remember, we're all gonna be dead in 12 years anyway. AOC said so.

Your understanding of science is worse than your pathetic misunderstanding of math.



1. Apparently you think the government is, or should be, capable of preventing you from ever getting sick. That's just sad on so many levels.
2. From what I've read, it hasn't been proven to be biphasic. Most experts believe those reinfected were misdiagnosed the first time. Using those wonderful Chinese test kits.
3. I've read there are two, not several. If there are several, the chance of a viable vaccine ever being produced is unlikely.
4. True.



...And here is where you demonstrate your deadly combination of socialism, TDS and general cluelessness.

First, I'm not pissed off over any concern of yours or any other leftists, I'm merely encouraging people not to panic because the results of panic will be worse than even the worst-case scenarios for the virus.

Second, what you're incorrectly blaming Trump for is the inability of government to provide everything for everyone, while preventing anything bad from ever happening. If you think President Trump is responsible for the spread of the virus in this country, then you must (as in 'are required to') think the leaders of all the European countries affected are also incompetent and "f'n clueless" too. Of course you don't think that, because they aren't Trump, and many are socialists. That demonstrates your ability to think clearly and use logic are non-existent.

Third, I see that now the MSM is seeking out and quoting 'the sky is falling' pundits, claiming there could be 650,000 or more American deaths due to the virus. While nothing is impossible, the chances of that are miniscule. Having said that, if it happened what would your comrades in the AGW propaganda community call it? A small, but good start.

Finally, if you think the proliferation of this virus is due to President Trump's incompetence, then you must (again, as in 'are required to') believe that President Obama was/is a LOT MORE incompetent for 'allowing' over 61,000,000 Americans to become infected with the swine flu in 2009-10 and 'allowing' 12,469 of them to die. Unless, of course, he thought all of them were Republicans, which would make it okay because they deserved it, according to you leftists.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

To think that a few years ago I had a lot of respect for straightup. While I did not agree, he had reasons, thought process but of late I only hear the far leftist drum beats of the lying left media arguments and talking points.
Much disappointment

On another front, great points. I have yet to help a discussion with a leftist using math, wroghts a ruck...lol
Jack

Rose42

"Us liberals are calm as always"

That one made me laugh out loud its so patently false.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Concerning SU, I agree. TDS.

The only reasons anybody can be a leftist are a)they are either purely evil or b)they have no understanding of math.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Me too. Also note the appalling grammar. Normally I wouldn't point that out, but he claims to be a journalism school graduate and better than the rest of us at English, spelling and grammar.