Russia Announces Decoupling Trade From Dollar (Page 6): Maybe the value of money isn't important to you, but it sure is to a lot of us! The value of money directly causes the cost of...

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Floyd Brown wrote:

The value of the money isn't most important issue.... (show quote)

Maybe the value of money isn't important to you, but it sure is to a lot of us! The value of money directly causes the cost of living to rise as it's value goes down! Guess what the U.S. government is and has printed money to pay it's bills.
It's a round about way so you don't see it happening , or know where it went. You say the flow of money is the most important? The flow to where it goes sure does make a huge difference and if it goes into somebody's pocket how does that help, the nation? I don't know how many times I have to say this, but the reason the dollar was the worlds standard was that it was backed up with gold bullion. That is no longer the rule because that law was repealed several years ago, that was the reason the U.S. was the only country that could print it's own money and each dollar had a value unto itself. GOLD! Now what makes our dollar worth more than some countries dollar , Euro, peso ? Nothing!

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Patty wrote:

:thumbup: There is no "Just us" system any longer. Everything is decided on how it increases their career to move up the ladder. From prosecution wins to paid off judges to benefit the private prison stocks. Its all rigged.

Private prisons.

That is another thing we should do with out.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

Bigmac495 wrote:

Maybe the value of money isn't important to you, b... (show quote)

I fail to understand the difference between the value of money and what it will buy, it seems to me the value is determined by what it will buy

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Bigmac495 wrote:

Maybe the value of money isn't important to you, b... (show quote)

There is not now & never really was a single best backing for money.

It is & always will be on faith & trust. It is just what or who do we trust to put the value on money.

I say that it is & always will be the faith & trust we have in each other.

We need that faith & trust in what ever we use in how we exchange value with each other. It could even be rocks.

But paper money & numbers in computers work better.

The money this country uses is based on debt. If the US just printed it's money & forgot about the Fed we would not have a debt that we pay interest on. The money would still be based on the faith and trust in the US. Leaving a lot of money to do other things with.

We are all held hostage by the money changers.

If there is any over riding issue we need to agree on it is what is to be done with how much it cost us to have some thing to use in our transactions with each other. All we need is some thing that we agree on that keeps a stable rate of exchange.

I feel that the issue of money changers is one that needs to be high on our list of key interests.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

alex wrote:

I fail to understand the difference between the value of money and what it will buy, it seems to me the value is determined by what it will buy

I say the difference is just the order you put the words in.

The value most put on money is it's so called value.

The value of what you & I get for our money is what it gives it value.

So money gets it value from what each of us values it in what we buy with it.

You will have to tell me if that makes any sense to you.

But all in all some where in that mix of words is what we both are trying to get to.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Floyd Brown wrote:

I say the difference is just the order you put the words in.

The value most put on money is it's so called value.

The value of what you & I get for our money is what it gives it value.

So money gets it value from what each of us values it in what we buy with it.

You will have to tell me if that makes any sense to you.

But all in all some where in that mix of words is what we both are trying to get to.

I don't quite understand the larger picture with money and value and bankers, but the general idea is most interesting even if I can't understand the mix of words. Thanks for the general idea. :thumbup: :lol:

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

jonhatfield wrote:

I don't quite understand the larger picture with money and value and bankers, but the general idea is most interesting even if I can't understand the mix of words. Thanks for the general idea. :thumbup: :lol:

It is an issue that we all need to take to heart & include becoming more versed in what is truly happening.

I know you & Patty are not endeared to each other but she does have her ear to much of what is going on in the world.

Exchanging post with her is not a bad idea. A bit misguided on some issues but she does do her home work.

All in all Patty is one to carry on & exchange ideas with.

After all if we are in agreement with each other we don't broaden our self much.

I feel that if we can truly get to the heart of what others believe it can only help us see things more cleanly. Even in areas we disagree.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Floyd Brown wrote:

It is an issue that we all need to take to heart & include becoming more versed in what is truly happening.

The political twistings and various agendas and extremisms make honest discussion of issues problematical. On the other hand, the twistings themselves are fascinating in themselves...and sometimes extremes of sides in issues give occasion to new aspects that can lead to larger insights or at least larger understandings.

Patty

Thanks Floyd. :D I try to bring to the table what is not being told to us.
Jonnie will never let his hatred go for whatever reason. I don't care. I seldom read his posts since if you have read one you have read them all. I shouldn't toy with him like I do though I must admit.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

jonhatfield wrote:

The political twistings and various agendas and extremisms make honest discussion of issues problematical. On the other hand, the twistings themselves are fascinating in themselves...and sometimes extremes of sides in issues give occasion to new aspects that can lead to larger insights or at least larger understandings.

Yes people feel strongly about things. Perhaps too strongly.

But when dealing with those that we have in them or they in us little in agreement we can look for any little point that we or they can agree on.

Once that is done one may find that the are more areas that each can be comfortable with.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

alex wrote:

I fail to understand the difference between the value of money and what it will buy, it seems to me the value is determined by what it will buy

It seems you answered your second sentence!

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

Bigmac495 wrote:

It seems you answered your second sentence!

I understand that but why did Floyd differentiate between the two?

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

alex wrote:

I understand that but why did Floyd differentiate between the two?

It is because each of us puts the value on what we get for our dollar, but the value we collectively put on the transaction denotes a value of the dollar.

I feel that this issue makes an important point but lack the means to express it clearly.

I almost feel that I should go back & start all over.

But there is no real lose in just forgetting the whole thing.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

Floyd Brown wrote:

It is because each of us puts the value on what we get for our dollar, but the value we collectively put on the transaction denotes a value of the dollar.

I feel that this issue makes an important point but lack the means to express it clearly.

I almost feel that I should go back & start all over.

But there is no real lose in just forgetting the whole thing.

okay

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

alex wrote:

okay

Okay?

Okay that we should just for get it.

Or okay you made sense of what I was trying to say.

I hope you didn't think that I would let you get a way with a simple okay. Okay!

I have you on my list of people I would like to know better.