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Sep 21, 2019 04:13:46   #
Seth
 
straightUp wrote:
Seth - before you start shooting your mouth - make sure you can actually back it up. As far as I know there is ZERO evidence that Obama tried to hide communications with foreign leaders. He might have had a moment or two alone with a few of them but he wasn't hiding it. That means one of two things... Either he didn't or if he did, it didn't involve any concern that would cause anyone to blow a whistle.

Maybe you just wish Obama was as bad as Trump. Well, this is going to piss off the racists on this site but he isn't. In fact, Obama is ten times the man Trump could ever be. The vast majority of the people in the world admire and respect Obama while they look at Trump with utter disgust. I know you know this seth.

Don't you get tired of always trying to justify what Trump does by pretending that Obama did it too in an effort to pull the hypocrisy card on liberals? It's such and old and ineffective stunt. As my mom used to say... "I don't care of so-and-so does it too." The moral there is to stop pushing blame on others.

Trump lies, cheats and steals and even if Obama did those things too, it still wouldn't validate the behavior or lessen the consequences and besides, Obama isn't the sitting president right now - Trump is.
Seth - before you start shooting your mouth - make... (show quote)


You forgot, in the midst of shooting off your mouth, to explain the "tell Vladimir..." conversation to me.

You people are so transparent -- when you ignore everything from Uranium One to Fast & Furious, the fraudulently obtained FISA warrant, Hillary's Email Adventure®, Benghazi, etc, then accuse Trump of everything from taking $20.00 bribes to spying for the Russians with zero evidence -- your one-sidedness reeks of elitism, as though you feel your cause of destroying America is so noble and as a result, you are superior in every way to us "deplorables" and lying is somehow therefore acceptable.

The end justifies the means, right?

There's absolutely no honor on the left side of the political equation.

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Sep 21, 2019 07:47:53   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
straightUp wrote:
He's a very, very bad person. He tortures children for crying out loud.


Man you sure have the loser Democrat hate talking points down to the Tee !

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Sep 21, 2019 08:55:46   #
1ProudAmerican
 
It would appear that some here on OPP live in a much more action packed, fiction filled world from the everyday, "Gosh, I have a pretty good life" world that MOST of us live in. It's no wonder they bay at the moon and scream, "The sky is falling"!!!!

It's a good thing drug prices are coming down because they're going to need some strong psych meds to get thru the next 5 years of "winning". The rest of us will just go about our daily routines enjoying life and all that we have. I think I'll add coloring books and crayons to my winning stock portfolio just in case their meds don't help them....

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Sep 21, 2019 09:28:35   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
JediKnight wrote:
No of course he's not the only one to file bankruptcy....just the only so-called billionaire president to do so. Shady deals and incompetence is what I suspect is the root of his financial blues as well as his poor approval ratings. sad.


It was a re-organization bankruptcy.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:15:56   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for presidential discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.

There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and transcribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, whatever, he needs witnesses.

Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.

Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
The topic has come up, that there are protocols fo... (show quote)


Woodyguru!!!
If you are worried about national security; why are you on the Left?

BTW;
"There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and transcribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, whatever, he needs witnesses." - guru

I guess you now know we needed to be listening closer to Obama when he was conferring with Putin.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:45:23   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JediKnight wrote:
Comey was fired for refusing to be Trump's lap dog like Nunes, Chaffetz, Graham, and so many others....and you know that already!


There were a plethora of reasons to fire Comey. Take your pick. I light of all those reasons and the things he did, your statement is without merit, at best.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:52:17   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JediKnight wrote:
Mueller's report proved that Trump, his family, and a large portion of the republican party are guilty as sin. If Trump has the sense God gave a cockroach, he would sneak out of the WH the day BEFORE his term is up and jump on his jet to Russia -and live out his days in disgrace with Putin and the Pee-Pee Prostitutes. period.


So, the "obstruction" obstructed what? Did it prevent Mueller from finding there was a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians?

What, exactly, was obstructed?

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Sep 21, 2019 11:53:46   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Seth wrote:
You forgot, in the midst of shooting off your mouth, to explain the "tell Vladimir..." conversation to me.

Why would I explain something I never suggested in the first place? Do you EVER pay attention?

Seth wrote:

You people are so transparent -- when you ignore everything from Uranium One to Fast & Furious, the fraudulently obtained FISA warrant, Hillary's Email Adventure®, Benghazi, etc, then accuse Trump of everything from taking $20.00 bribes to spying for the Russians with zero evidence -- your one-sidedness reeks of elitism,

You can talk fantasies all day Seth... I didn't ignore any of what you mentioned, it just wasn't difficult for me to realize that the evidence available doesn't support the wild conspiracy theories that you apparently fell for... and I'm including your baseless assumption that I think Trump took $20 bribes or spied for the Russians.

It seems to me that YOU people are getting pissed off because we only concern ourselves with things that actually happen.

Seth wrote:

as though you feel your cause of destroying America is so noble

We are not interested in destroying America, just your version of it... absolutely!

Seth wrote:

and as a result, you are superior in every way to us "deplorables" and lying is somehow therefore acceptable.

I never said we are superior in every way... we're just politically less gullible than you are and no, lying is not acceptable which is part of the problem we have with the "deplorables" and their daddy-god Trump, the biggest liar to ever occupy the White House.

Seth wrote:

The end justifies the means, right?

I don't know why your asking me... It's your side that lies to justify your daddy's disgusting assault on the American people.

Seth wrote:

There's absolutely no honor on the left side of the political equation.

If your definition of honor is blind loyalty to villain-kings, then I agree.

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Sep 21, 2019 11:57:43   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
4430 wrote:
Man you sure have the loser Democrat hate talking points down to the Tee !

LOL - call it whatever you want... they way I see it, you're just frustrated that you can't stand up to the argument.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:01:25   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
It would appear that some here on OPP live in a much more action packed, fiction filled world from the everyday, "Gosh, I have a pretty good life" world that MOST of us live in. It's no wonder they bay at the moon and scream, "The sky is falling"!!!!

It's a good thing drug prices are coming down because they're going to need some strong psych meds to get thru the next 5 years of "winning". The rest of us will just go about our daily routines enjoying life and all that we have. I think I'll add coloring books and crayons to my winning stock portfolio just in case their meds don't help them....
It would appear that some here on OPP live in a mu... (show quote)


LOL - Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

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Sep 21, 2019 12:07:45   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Woodyguru!!!
If you are worried about national security; why are you on the Left?

Probably because the last time we put a conservative in charge, we were hit with the biggest terrorist attack in U.S. history, we got caught up in two large-scale wars and our economy tanked. If THAT doesn't tell you something...

eagleye13 wrote:

BTW;
"There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and transcribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, whatever, he needs witnesses." - guru

I guess you now know we needed to be listening closer to Obama when he was conferring with Putin.

I know you folks like to deflect by insisting that whatever Trump is doing, Obama did it more or worse, but you NEVER provide any evidence and so it's really just kind of getting old... Like hearing the same exaggerations from the same drunk every night.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:08:37   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Louie27 wrote:
Please show positive proof of the allegations you have made in this post. I will bet you have only third hand or no evidence at all.


Come on, Louie! Lone Wolf doesn't have to provide proof. He is a liberal & therefore immune from any challenges to his veracity. His mere assertion suffices.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:17:09   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Come on, Louie! Lone Wolf doesn't have to provide proof. He is a liberal & therefore immune from any challenges to his veracity. His mere assertion suffices.


Pot calling the kettle black.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:21:52   #
Seth
 
straightUp wrote:
If your definition of honor is blind loyalty to villain-kings, then I agree.


I'm still waiting for your explanation for Obama's exchange with Medvedev and its obvious meaning.

If you have no comment on that, as you pointedly make clear, it invalidates anything else you might spew for the simple reason that it demonstrates a profound double standard on your part.

This in turn indicates that any effort to answer anything else in your post would be an unmitigated waste of time.

The single-mindeness of a leftist in any discourse is an entirely predictable phenomenon. 😎

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Sep 21, 2019 13:13:57   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL - call it whatever you want... they way I see it, you're just frustrated that you can't stand up to the argument.


"LOL - call it whatever you want... they way I see it, you're just frustrated that you can't stand up to the argument." - straightUp

The way you see it?!
The frustration I see daily is from the Left.
Losing is a bitch!

America is winning!
That seems to be hard to swallow on the Left.

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