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Sep 9, 2019 22:56:24   #
dongreen76
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
George W. Bush was far from my favorite president but he is not the only lie in Washington. The entirety of progressivism and its sister ideologies, (socialism, national socialism, Fascism, communism, etc.) is a lie. They are based upon an inaccurate view of human nature.

Crazy,progressiveness in its general sense,from the root word progressive; which means to go forward toward a goal,or advance.In the political context in which it is used,they are called progressives because their goal is that of achieving a state of true Democracy,as the framers intended the country to be. Democracy is synonymous with the free philosophy, hence,progressiveness is in no way related to those autocratic suppressive political philosophies and is not a sister political concept.
Those of your political persuasion generally contend and argue in favor of we being a "Republic' as oppose to a Democracy.This connotes iliteracy as to what a Republic really is.A Republic' is the Idea of a body of men/woman making laws and decisions that govern the plurality as oppose to the plurality making the laws and decisions they will be governed by. In general their say so as to how they will be governed is ascertained VIA a ballot,which is their vote.If you will reflect a moment and think about this countrys adversaries,and what their respective names are -The peoples "REPUBLIC` of china-formally The union of soviet "SOCIALIST' "REPUBLIC`

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Sep 10, 2019 07:12:41   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Slatten, you are correct that the Dems did not dominate the urban states. What they dominated were the urban counties which represented about 1% of the over 3000 counties in this country.


Point taken, Tuck, but 1% is a bit low.

https://www.wnd.com/2016/12/trumps-landslide-2623-to-489-among-u-s-counties/

Trump actually won 2,623 to Clinton's 489 among U.S. counties...roughly 16% for Clinton.

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Sep 10, 2019 12:16:50   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
I know, I'm wasting my time. And your beef with the electoral college is..? Without it three states would choose the President instead of the country. Right now I'd like to level two of those states. The 'craps have made them toxic for at least one generation, maybe more.


You couldn't have been more correct with that post.

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Sep 10, 2019 12:25:11   #
Carol Kelly
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have a lot more integrity than that. Why do most of you guys usually insult?


Insult answers insult. Watch what happened in 1945 after Hitler died gloriously in suicide. The town of Lansbach, Germany would be a good example of what you are craving. The Russians took over and exiled the landed gentry allowing the poor to have eight hectares to farm, but they couldn’t own the property. It remained the property of the State. The poor won nothing but the right to Slave for new masters. That’s what you’ll get, if you get your way. Look it up.

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Sep 10, 2019 12:31:27   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
slatten49 wrote:
Point taken, Tuck, but 1% is a bit low.

https://www.wnd.com/2016/12/trumps-landslide-2623-to-489-among-u-s-counties/

Trump actually won 2,623 to Clinton's 489 among U.S. counties...roughly 16% for Clinton.


Yep~



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Sep 10, 2019 15:45:58   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Yep~


This map is all the argument needed to affirm the use of the Electoral College, and the difficulty to change the Constitution protects the EC from being cast out by poorly thinking, or antagonistic citizens who do not like our nation, or citizens that want a free ride on everything. Good on you, Jake!

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Sep 10, 2019 16:16:03   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
manning5 wrote:
This map is all the argument needed to affirm the use of the Electoral College, and the difficulty to change the Constitution protects the EC from being cast out by poorly thinking, or antagonistic citizens who do not like our nation, or citizens that want a free ride on everything. Good on you, Jake!


Thanks Manning, I couldn't have said it better!

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Sep 10, 2019 19:44:00   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
manning5 wrote:
This map is all the argument needed to affirm the use of the Electoral College, and the difficulty to change the Constitution protects the EC from being cast out by poorly thinking, or antagonistic citizens who do not like our nation, or citizens that want a free ride on everything. Good on you, Jake!


States each have 2 senators.
Representative's for each state are awarded based on population counted by each census.
It would be interesting to see just how it all works out dividing the seats between political parties.
As I understand it the those chosen are not legally bound to vote for what any political party may want.
I will wait for some one better informed to tell us more.

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Sep 10, 2019 20:52:00   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Old Codger wrote:
Whenever I read someone (usually a lib/prog/socialist type) bemoaning how difficult it is to amend the Constitution, I am reminded of Jefferson's sage words in the Declaration, "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes". If it was true in 1776, then it was still true in 1787 and is STILL TRUE in 2019. Government should not be altered for "light and transient causes" and the amendment process would seem to have been designed with that principle in mind.
Whenever I read someone (usually a lib/prog/social... (show quote)




I agree with you Codger, we have made legal some laws based primarily on public opinion (The courts) such as abortion, same-sex marriage, laws that are offensive and immoral to many of the population. Proving that having strict rules and steps to amend the constitution of the greatest nation ever is so important and necessary. Some areas of our culture and society can and maybe should be adjusted to fit the times, however, those that are basic to the reason our country has succeeded so greatly should not be subject to who is able to amass the largest mob.

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Sep 11, 2019 11:35:36   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
States each have 2 senators.
Representative's for each state are awarded based on population counted by each census.
It would be interesting to see just how it all works out dividing the seats between political parties.
As I understand it the those chosen are not legally bound to vote for what any political party may want.
I will wait for some one better informed to tell us more.


It takes almost no effort to acquire significant knowledge of the EC and its Electors. Here is one article that addresses the matter sufficiently, including the possibility of electors not voting with their party:

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/the-electoral-college.aspx.

The map supplied by Jake visually demonstrates that the blue states can override the votes of the rest of the nation because of their dense populations relative to the other states, a situation that is most unsatisfactory. The EC is meant to level the playing field.

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Sep 11, 2019 12:09:32   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
manning5 wrote:
The EC is meant to level the playing field.


Which is what democrats despise. They want the 'popular vote' because it's virtually mob rule and the only way they can win. With the help of illegal aliens of course~

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Sep 11, 2019 14:08:00   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
The redundancy on OPP is amazing. Some people never learn a thing no matter how often you point them in the right direction. The electoral college has been discussed ad infinitum in previous threads on OPP. Always the same old question raised.

What do you expect to say or hear that hasn't already been said here? You can do a simple topic search, 'Electoral college' which is located on the page header.

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Sep 11, 2019 14:50:21   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
manning5 wrote:
It takes almost no effort to acquire significant knowledge of the EC and its Electors. Here is one article that addresses the matter sufficiently, including the possibility of electors not voting with their party:

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/the-electoral-college.aspx.

The map supplied by Jake visually demonstrates that the blue states can override the votes of the rest of the nation because of their dense populations relative to the other states, a situation that is most unsatisfactory. The EC is meant to level the playing field.
It takes almost no effort to acquire significant k... (show quote)


So you would like to EVEN the system out by what?
Getting rid of the balancing of counting the popular vote leaving complete control by the reed blue states?

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Sep 16, 2019 17:03:00   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
So you would like to EVEN the system out by what?
Getting rid of the balancing of counting the popular vote leaving complete control by the reed blue states?


A reed blue state? The College allows smaller population Red states in concert to even out or exceed the concerted counts from the high population blue states. Thus did Trump win.

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Sep 16, 2019 17:19:14   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
manning5 wrote:
A reed blue state? The College allows smaller population Red states in concert to even out or exceed the concerted counts from the high population blue states. Thus did Trump win.


Sorry about the "ee" in red.
The advantage from gerrymandering in red states helped put more republican votes over all in a single area there by gaining a seat in the electoral college.

The areas should be of a more natural shape & be set up with out being set up to help a political party.

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