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Apr 7, 2014 10:27:02   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
no propaganda please wrote:
When moral relativism is the only proper belief system, what do you expect? There was a time when people dared to say "that was wrong" now it has to be "I think you are wrong, but since you think you are right, that's OK with me."


Well, we KNOW that pretty much is NOT how it works on OPP, is it. :roll: :lol: However, "just thinking" someone is one way or the other, leaves that "other" option open, that the truth of a matter "might" lie somewhere in between as opposed to the absolute of KNOWING the other's thoughts are absolutely flawed. Just a thought.

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Apr 7, 2014 10:45:42   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Searching wrote:
Funny how that works, isn't it. :lol: I have come to understand that "winning" is high over rated, that "understanding" is far more important. Ran across a quote the other day that "might" apply here. "Giving up doesn't mean you are weak. Sometimes, it means that you are strong enough to let go."


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Apr 7, 2014 10:46:09   #
JimMe
 
lpnmajor wrote:
All those who say liberals are idiots, are correct. All those who say conservatives are stupid, are correct. Those who say Republicans are corrupt are correct, as are those who claim the Democrats are as well. Whatever the claim about whatever issue, ideology, cause, person, group or concept, are always correct. No one is ever wrong.

All ideas are based on some theory or assumption. We used to experiment, discuss and try to DISPROVE such ideas, before accepting them as fact. We are no longer required to do so. Every idea must be accepted as correct immediately. Discussion of the merits or demerits of an idea or concept are no longer required. Now, we only have to defend it, by attacking everyone else.

Now that we know that everyone is correct, no one can be wrong, which leaves us with no recourse for finding common ground. With 300,000,000 million people, all who have some ideas, all of which are correct, and few are in common with anyone else, we have - chaos. For people, with differing views, to come to a consensus - someone is going to have to be wrong, at least a little bit. To compromise means to admit wrongness and that cannot be allowed. Admitting that some idea, or portion thereof, is wrong, is to admit total defeat. Agreeing with someone else, for the sake of "common purpose", is to surrender to a superior idea, making you wrong.

It does not seem to occur to anyone - to change their minds about something - because that would require admitting that they were wrong to begin with. Todays society will not allow anyone to be wrong. Oh, the OTHER person is always wrong, to be sure, but WE are never wrong. Admitting that WE are wrong, about anything - means the other person wins and that cannot be allowed. We never lose, unless it's a war then we ALWAYS lose, but we were correct the whole time.
All those who say liberals are idiots, are correct... (show quote)


Politicians Admit Being Wrong All the Time... But That Doesn't Mean They'll VOTE DIFFERENTLY... "Talk Is Cheap" may've first been used referring to Politicians... Measure What They SAY Against How They VOTE...

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Apr 7, 2014 10:53:40   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
JimMe wrote:
Politicians Admit Being Wrong All the Time... But That Doesn't Mean They'll VOTE DIFFERENTLY... "Talk Is Cheap" may've first been used referring to Politicians... Measure What They SAY Against How They VOTE...


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Apr 7, 2014 11:06:33   #
Ve'hoe
 
Well,,, hate to drag everything back to the bible,,, but it says,, (paraphrased greatly) you have to die to self, to succeed,, ie,, with god,, with people that doesnt work so well.....


Searching wrote:
Funny how that works, isn't it. :lol: I have come to understand that "winning" is high over rated, that "understanding" is far more important. Ran across a quote the other day that "might" apply here. "Giving up doesn't mean you are weak. Sometimes, it means that you are strong enough to let go."

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Apr 7, 2014 11:07:27   #
Ve'hoe
 
I dont mind politicians being wrong, or even stealing, it is when they demand a raise for doing it, I start boiling the tar and gathering feathers
Floyd Brown wrote:
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Apr 7, 2014 11:17:18   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Well,,, hate to drag everything back to the bible,,, but it says,, (paraphrased greatly) you have to die to self, to succeed,, ie,, with god,, with people that doesnt work so well.....


Perfectly okay with me....I have been down that road you speak of "with God" -- so I get it. I just hope you're wrong about the "people" part. :wink:

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Apr 7, 2014 11:29:45   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
You sound frustrated,,,, I began this forum trying to be fair,, like you are now,,, after insults to even my dog,, and threats to my family etc,,,, I gave up,,,, and realized that the left has a preconceived notion of their superiority,, that tends to make them arrogant and condescending,,, case in point when the latest post starts our with "Conservatives hate, gays, poor, healthcare, clean air and water,," and then proceeds to ask a question on the basis of that premise..

Then the poster gets indignant, and claims she cant get a "decent/civil discussion" from people with closed minds..!!??!!

When you start out calling people stupid, they react, and resent it. The rest of the planet is tired of the abuse the left dishes out, disguised as their superior intellect..and civility.

Like I said to alicia, I can no longer feel sorry, or even remotely concerned how the left perceives the swinging of the pendulum,,,, they asked for it.

Sometimes, when you call down the thunder,,,, thunder actually shows up.... enjoy the conflict you created, left wing america.
You sound frustrated,,,, I began this forum trying... (show quote)


Right on! Well said.

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Apr 7, 2014 11:30:21   #
Ve'hoe
 
We have the "power" not to,, but we seem bent on our own destruction,,,,in every conceivable way


Searching wrote:
Perfectly okay with me....I have been down that road you speak of "with God" -- so I get it. I just hope you're wrong about the "people" part. :wink:

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Apr 7, 2014 12:46:22   #
Secret Alchemist Loc: Carthage, TX
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
You sound frustrated,,,, I began this forum trying to be fair,, like you are now,,, after insults to even my dog,, and threats to my family etc,,,, I gave up,,,, and realized that the left has a preconceived notion of their superiority,, that tends to make them arrogant and condescending,,, case in point when the latest post starts our with "Conservatives hate, gays, poor, healthcare, clean air and water,," and then proceeds to ask a question on the basis of that premise..

Then the poster gets indignant, and claims she cant get a "decent/civil discussion" from people with closed minds..!!??!!

When you start out calling people stupid, they react, and resent it. The rest of the planet is tired of the abuse the left dishes out, disguised as their superior intellect..and civility.

Like I said to alicia, I can no longer feel sorry, or even remotely concerned how the left perceives the swinging of the pendulum,,,, they asked for it.

Sometimes, when you call down the thunder,,,, thunder actually shows up.... enjoy the conflict you created, left wing america.
You sound frustrated,,,, I began this forum trying... (show quote)


Look at any 5 pages of topics and count the number of threads that say "Conservatives are evil, etc." and the threads that say "Liberals are evil, etc.".

Are you sure it's only "left wing America" that is creating this conflict?

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Apr 7, 2014 13:01:26   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Secret Alchemist wrote:
Look at any 5 pages of topics and count the number of threads that say "Conservatives are evil, etc." and the threads that say "Liberals are evil, etc.".

Are you sure it's only "left wing America" that is creating this conflict?


Can't be denied, can it. Goes back to "what we see depends on what we look for." "Both" sides are keeping awfully busy, aren't they.

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Apr 7, 2014 13:12:15   #
Secret Alchemist Loc: Carthage, TX
 
Searching wrote:
Can't be denied, can it. Goes back to "what we see depends on what we look for." "Both" sides are keeping awfully busy, aren't they.


Yes indeed. If the liberal/conservative clash is the best political exchange we can come up with, our country is in for some hard times.

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Apr 7, 2014 13:18:43   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Secret Alchemist wrote:
Yes indeed. If the liberal/conservative clash is the best political exchange we can come up with, our country is in for some hard times.


Our country is now experiencing hard times; it is primarily due to the politicians running the country and reigning over the populace.

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Apr 7, 2014 13:27:30   #
Ve'hoe
 
But,,, I didnt say that,,,, and especially that this post started out from a "wrong wing" poster..... so the burden of proof is on them,,, you cannot blame the right wing for being offended, especially when so much offense is indeed intended....


Secret Alchemist wrote:
Look at any 5 pages of topics and count the number of threads that say "Conservatives are evil, etc." and the threads that say "Liberals are evil, etc.".

Are you sure it's only "left wing America" that is creating this conflict?

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Apr 7, 2014 13:32:19   #
Secret Alchemist Loc: Carthage, TX
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Our country is now experiencing hard times; it is primarily due to the politicians running the country and reigning over the populace.


It's certainly not as easy as it was when I younger and I'm only 37. But even though I am poor (by choice of being a full time student), I can still afford lots of neat stuff right now. I'm sure it can get alot worse than this.

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