Why doesn't everyone want abortion to be illegal?
Apr 7, 2014 08:38:07 #
Singularity wrote:
The examples given are all Christian denominations.
No you are in error these examples given are NOT Christian denominations !
Children of parents who believe in Faith Healing will sit by the bed of a sick or injured child praying for their health until the child dies, refusing medical treatment that would have stopped the suffering or prevented the death. There are LAWS that prevent anyone from coming in and helping their child, since it is an expression of a religious conviction.
Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood products due to religious convictions and refuse them on behalf of their children as well.
Children of parents of Sign's Following Churches watch their parents handle poisonous serpents and drink strychnine. The kids are kept back away from the area in the tiny churches where this is practiced but they watch as uncles, aunts, patents, etc., express their religious convictions. And they have seen people suffer for days and die in the home for refusing medical attention. Then go to services and watch others (like their Daddy?) handle the same serpent...
Apr 7, 2014 09:40:02 #
Floyd Brown
Loc: Milwaukee WI
Secret Alchemist wrote:
Very true. I think the only reasonable solution is to leave the choice available to those who need it. Meanwhile we can do our best to discourage the irresponsible use of that option in cases of convience. Maybe we should be discussing the best way to do that.
This not much of a problem with in strong healthy families.
So much of what goes on in life coming from the media that weakens families ties.
Apr 7, 2014 09:44:03 #
Secret Alchemist wrote:
Very true. I think the only reasonable solution is to leave the choice available to those who need it. Meanwhile we can do our best to discourage the irresponsible use of that option in cases of convience. Maybe we should be discussing the best way to do that.
Once more, with all of the birth control options available, abortions should be a rarity. We are speaking of people who are too damn irresponsible to take the simplest precautions.
Apr 7, 2014 09:51:50 #
Secret Alchemist
Loc: Carthage, TX
4430 wrote:
No you are in error these examples given are NOT C... (show quote)
Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians. And every faith healer and snake handling church I've ever heard of have all been Christian. The Branch Davidians who were massacred in Waco were Christians. Their ways aren't necessarily about their faith in Christianity, but more about their dedication to exploring religious faithfulness. They are releasing their dependence on worldly experience to live totally by faith. Sort of like swimming with your soul.
Those extremes have their purposes but they aren't for everyone. Young couples and children shouldn't be involved.
Apr 7, 2014 09:51:57 #
Singularity wrote:
But the woman has no practical choice but to submit to the demands of her husband. How can she protect her life and that of future generations if she cannot refuse consent and he has AIDS? And both are too undereducated to grasp the concept of viral transmission during intercourse? And the only education she gets is 'Just say NO.'?
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If he had aids and wanted sex with me that would indicate to me that he didn't care what happened to me. That being the case, it would be a cold day in hell when I would submit to his demands. If he violently "demanded", I'd find a way to break one of his legs, or jab an eye out. After that, I'd leave him.
Apr 7, 2014 09:58:52 #
Secret Alchemist
Loc: Carthage, TX
Loki wrote:
Once more, with all of the birth control options available, abortions should be a rarity. We are speaking of people who are too damn irresponsible to take the simplest precautions.
I don't know man. Sexual desire is notorious for making the wisest people foolish.
I do agree that condoms at least are widely available. I'm not sure if women's birth control pills are given away as often as condoms are. I also have no idea how much birth control pills cost.
Apr 7, 2014 10:06:02 #
Apr 7, 2014 10:19:00 #
Singularity wrote:
WTH? They SAYthey are!
:roll: Saying and being are two different things
They are Cults you know one can pick bits and pieces to make everyone think they are Christians but when closer examination one can see right thru them unless they're saying what the hearer wants to hear.
Take Jim Jones for instance his followers were walking right in step with him till he ordered them to drink poison then they started thinking on their own and balked , sadly they were murdered !
Absolutely nothing to do with true Christianity !
Apr 7, 2014 10:51:40 #
Secret Alchemist
Loc: Carthage, TX
4430 wrote:
:roll: Saying and being are two different things b... (show quote)
There are plenty of completely Christian cults dude. Christianity was itself once a cult (though that's slightly beside the point).
The main thing is, these extremists have nothing to do with your own faith. There's no need to distance yourself from them. They would not want anyone to think they are associated with you either.
Apr 7, 2014 11:41:26 #
Tasine wrote:
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If he had aids and wanted sex with me that would indicate to me that he didn't care what happened to me. That being the case, it would be a cold day in hell when I would submit to his demands. If he violently "demanded", I'd find a way to break one of his legs, or jab an eye out. After that, I'd leave him.
If he had aids and wanted sex with me that would indicate to me that he didn't care what happened to me. That being the case, it would be a cold day in hell when I would submit to his demands. If he violently "demanded", I'd find a way to break one of his legs, or jab an eye out. After that, I'd leave him.
There are laws against spousal rape.
Apr 7, 2014 12:01:18 #
4430 wrote:
Had Enough is taking a stand to ward off the killi... (show quote)
Well now 44, the little kids you speak of are human beings and no reasonable person could approve of vicious, inhuman, cruel or murderous treatment of them. However, please provide evidence that a human zygote, blastocyst, embryo or fetus is a human being.
Please note that I'm asking for EVIDENCE - I'm not at all interested in a diatribe on your personal beliefs. When (and if) you provide such evidence, I'll be happy to consider your position.
Apr 7, 2014 12:46:56 #
Neal wrote:
Well now 44, the little kids you speak of are human beings and no reasonable person could approve of vicious, inhuman, cruel or murderous treatment of them. However, please provide evidence that a human zygote, blastocyst, embryo or fetus is a human being.
Please note that I'm asking for EVIDENCE - I'm not at all interested in a diatribe on your personal beliefs. When (and if) you provide such evidence, I'll be happy to consider your position.
Please note that I'm asking for EVIDENCE - I'm not at all interested in a diatribe on your personal beliefs. When (and if) you provide such evidence, I'll be happy to consider your position.
If a dog has a beating heart, it is NOT criminal to kill him, if it is done humanely. If a cow has a beating heart, it is NOT criminal to kill her. However, if a human has a beating heart, it IS criminal to kill him. If any animal dies, including man, it is determined he is dead IF his heart is not beating and cannot be revived. Do you see no links to join up to satisfy your determination to see women abort babies? I see the beating heart in a human to be life that cannot be taken for convenience of another person. Or are you not into the terms "logic" and "morality"?
Apr 7, 2014 12:48:32 #
Old_Gringo wrote:
There are laws against spousal rape.
Baseball bats are useful as well.
Apr 7, 2014 13:04:58 #
Neal wrote:
Well now 44, the little kids you speak of are human beings and no reasonable person could approve of vicious, inhuman, cruel or murderous treatment of them. However, please provide evidence that a human zygote, blastocyst, embryo or fetus is a human being.
Please note that I'm asking for EVIDENCE - I'm not at all interested in a diatribe on your personal beliefs. When (and if) you provide such evidence, I'll be happy to consider your position.
Please note that I'm asking for EVIDENCE - I'm not at all interested in a diatribe on your personal beliefs. When (and if) you provide such evidence, I'll be happy to consider your position.
Tell me what EVIDENCE do you have that a fetus isn't a human being ??
When (and if) you provide such evidence, I'll be happy to consider your position.
Apr 7, 2014 13:53:56 #
Tasine wrote:
If a dog has a beating heart, it is NOT criminal t... (show quote)
See Tase, that's the problem, you fail again to specify whether the human you're blabbing about is merely human life, or is a genuine human BEING. Is this a case of endogenous inability, or are you just being persnickety?
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