Tasine Loc: Southwest US

When they demand a baby die for some slut's irresponsibility, absolutely not! Allowing it quietly is akin to being an accomplice.

Singularity

So how far past civil discourse and voting on the issue will you go in defense of your belief, assuming that its a 'legal' abortion?

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

About the same distance as most people go. We state our beliefs in as direct manner as possible, then we live with the stain and guilt of not having prevented the horrid thing from happening.

One can rest assured I don't go as far in my beliefs as do the radical Muslims or the radical American left (assuming they have anything that resembles actual beliefs). Am I going to shoot someone? Of course not - that would be against my principles just as abortion on demand for sluts is. I cannot stop them by being like them. I can only hope more will gain a teeny bit of morality they are obviously missing.

Singularity

I think a better way to ask the question for this forum might be: "Why doesn't everyone want abortions to be unnecessary?" I think most people want it to be unnecessary. It seems most reasonable people feel uneasy about unconstrained use of abortion, but to make it totally illegal for everyone would be disastrous for a few kinds of cases.

Maybe one way to think of it is similar to divorce. Who gets married thinking they will need to divorce? "In the beginning it was not so, but because of the hardness of the human heart, Moses allowed for divorce. And Jesus allowed for divorce once the marriage covenant was broken.

Our hearts break when we see those kind of photos. I've seen it in person during my training, and I couldn't sleep at all that night! But perhaps we have to suffer the foolish 'sluts' their choice in order for the rare case to have the choice?

No easy answer.

Neal

Once again Tasine, your posts are based on what you BELIEVE!
Do you KNOW anything??

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Had Enough is taking a stand to ward off the killing of an innocent human being who has no power to protect it's self !

Your question you asked ((( Are you sensible enough to allow others to act in accordance with their beliefs? )))

In your view those who kidnap and blind little kids in the slums of India to be used as beggars for their masters or worse yet sold into the sex trade that they who believe doing these terrible atrocities to these little kids is perfectly ok since that's their beliefs
:roll: :roll: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Singularity

There is a book I wish Christians and Conservatives should have information from but for them will be difficult to read, both for the details of issues I wish you could know about as well as the fact the author is a left wing liberal atheist and many will be distracted by that and unable to get my point. I don't know what the solution is, but his solutions probably wouldn't be popular on this forum....

Anyway the book is "Attack of the Theocrats" ( See, you're mad already) by Sean Faircloth, available on amazon.com.

The problem he does do a good job of bringing out is the threat of injury, suffering and death to innocent children by their parents religious beliefs. What!!!! Yes! Read on:

Children of parents who believe in Faith Healing will sit by the bed of a sick or injured child praying for their health until the child dies, refusing medical treatment that would have stopped the suffering or prevented the death. There are LAWS that prevent anyone from coming in and helping their child, since it is an expression of a religious conviction.

Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood products due to religious convictions and refuse them on behalf of their children as well.

Children of parents of Sign's Following Churches watch their parents handle poisonous serpents and drink strychnine. The kids are kept back away from the area in the tiny churches where this is practiced but they watch as uncles, aunts, patents, etc., express their religious convictions. And they have seen people suffer for days and die in the home for refusing medical attention. Then go to services and watch others (like their Daddy?) handle the same serpent...

Faircloth gives names, dates and legal rulings involved. Its worth wading through to learn the details.

I'm not sure what an acceptable solution is, but I kinda don't think an 18 month old baby is surrendering its life for a long held deep religious conviction of its own.

I'd be interested in what y'all think could be done if anything for these children. (I can already guess what you think of his politics.)

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

That is a case for buyer beware.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Family across the street from sister back when they lived in Barstow many yrs ago lost a child and if my memory serves me correctly they were charged but I can't remember the out come!

As a Christian I find these religions to be out in left field and disturbing to say the least.

Many will try to connect these goof ball religions to Christianity which is a lie !

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Did you see me take your cow? & if I did do you think I would admit it or even deal with you.

Or if you cow wandered off. Why are you blaming me.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Yes, I know lots of things. Do you feel nothing? Are you so hardened to goodness that you think it is fine to sacrifice life for convenience?

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Yes, he and his ilk are firm believers in it.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Those with thinking like his apparently is are the type that we must guard against putting into any kind of authority. It is that type of thinking that will buy into unwanted and unwarranted euthanasia. Americans should be very wary of those who see life as cheap enough to flick off like swatting a mosquito.

Secret Alchemist Loc: Carthage, TX

Very true. I think the only reasonable solution is to leave the choice available to those who need it. Meanwhile we can do our best to discourage the irresponsible use of that option in cases of convience. Maybe we should be discussing the best way to do that.

Singularity

The examples given are all Christian denominations.

That's part of the problem. The government has no way of judging or evaluating how goofball or off the wall a set of religious beliefs may be. But laws which protect religious freedom of expression protect the rights of these parents to religious expression on behalf of their children. The children die for their parents belief, is my point. The question I pose here is related to the abortion question only in that it also involves the horrific deaths of innocents. Perhaps it should be a separate thread.