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Mar 29, 2014 21:15:13   #
Glaucon
 
American wrote:
Didn't take you long to snap back. It gets like that sometimes, but mostly the people on this site are good. Take it in strife and move on.


You were able to completely miss the points of my message or ignored them and went right to passive aggressive, hostile stuff. You two belong together. Grow some balls.

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Mar 29, 2014 21:20:20   #
Glaucon
 
American wrote:
Didn't take you long to snap back. It gets like that sometimes, but mostly the people on this site are good. Take it in strife and move on.


Your comment doesn't make any sense. If it seemed that I snapped back from reality, I think you misunderstood what I wrote.

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Mar 29, 2014 21:22:48   #
Glaucon
 
[quote=no propaganda please][quote=Glaucon]You are right, I have no direct knowledge of member's achievements. However, I doubt that any of them are presidents of the United States, a U.S. Senator, a graduate of Harvard Law school, a professor of constitutional law at the very prestigious University of Chicago. I don't think it takes a great mind to know he is smarter than we are. I know you don't like to hear that and you have a very hard time hearing things that are outside your very closed mind. So if the revelation that Obama is smarter than your are, I hope it doesn't cause you a severe case of the vapors.[/quote

Are you going to respond or hide? Get a pair.



He became s senator by having the other Democratic candidates thrown out on the primary ballot for minor infractions that are the norm in Chicago politics, and having the Chicago machine behind him. We have no idea how he did in college, or even high school because he has blocked all his records from that period. No one knows how a person who never wrote a paper for Law Review became president of Law Review. He taught only one class, and was not a full professor at the University. The class he taught was on racial relations in the law. We do know, after much research, that his mentor throughout his teen years was Frank Davis, a devout communist and connected even then with George Soros. I do believe that he is smart, but his interests are not what would be good for America, and he has worked his whole like toward those goals. You probably celebrate those goals if you also do not wish American citizens to have freedom and an economic system that values personal property rights and honors the Constitution. For a supposedly "constitutional expert" he has worked against it all his life. Perhaps his familiarity with the constitution has helped him do so in a way that is not apparent to the low information voters.[/quote]

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Mar 30, 2014 06:27:59   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
American wrote:
Didn't take you long to snap back. It gets like that sometimes, but mostly the people on this site are good. Take it in strife and move on.

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That's cute.
:P :P :P :P :P

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Mar 30, 2014 08:34:59   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
American wrote:
I thought the same thing Mr Ed. And just like you, anything I say on this forum, I'll say to your face. We have a lot in common, don't we? By the way their words, must be a tree hugger!


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Why do you keep on stating, "I'll say to your face?" Looks like you're carrying a big chip on your shoulder. You repeat the phrase at least once in every post - maybe two. Why?

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Mar 30, 2014 11:24:54   #
Glaucon
 
Alicia wrote:
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Why do you keep on stating, "I'll say to your face?" Looks like you're carrying a big chip on your shoulder. You repeat the phrase at least once in every post - maybe two. Why?


Is he protesting too much. Anyone who has to say this so much would certainly be someone who will say things behind your back he wouldn't have the balls to say to your face.

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Apr 1, 2014 00:52:02   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
Glaucon wrote:
For your information, all communication is biased unless it agrees with us.

I am not an Obama supporter, but when you suggests he hasn't hand any achievments yet, you give people the idea that the legitimate concerns we have about Obama are also bogus and that we are as closed minded as you appear to be.





Not all communication is biased, Glaucon. There was actually a time when newspapers were just that - news papers - without evidence of how the papers "leaned." There was even a definition for it - "journalistic integrity." I am assured there are still impartial publications today - they're just harder to find.

I have mentioned previously that during his first Presidential run, I was impressed with Obama's rhetoric - until I realized where the ideology behind the rhetoric originated. I harbor no envy of Obama. His wants and needs are absolutely divergent from mine. But I will admit, when it comes to Obama, I AM close-minded. And it is not because of who I am, but because of what HE has done.

Too many lies, broken promises, Marxists and Communists, too many apologies and bows, too much spending, and demeaning of the principles and mores of America - too little accountability, responsibility, and allegiance to our flag and Constitution and too little respect for the intelligence and perception of our citizens.

Being open-minded when all you hear and see are distortions, deceit and dereliction is not an indicator of tolerance - instead, it is a benchmark of denial.

There is no way, Glaucon, that anyone who has read my posts could ever accuse me of diminishing the obvious and well-founded concerns that have arisen since the Obama presidency. Most of those concerns have already been proven justifiable - not bogus - and that had nothing to do with me.

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Apr 1, 2014 05:36:36   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Tradition wrote:
Not all communication is biased, Glaucon. There was actually a time when newspapers were just that - news papers - without evidence of how the papers "leaned." There was even a definition for it - "journalistic integrity." I am assured there are still impartial publications today - they're just harder to find.

I have mentioned previously that during his first Presidential run, I was impressed with Obama's rhetoric - until I realized where the ideology behind the rhetoric originated. I harbor no envy of Obama. His wants and needs are absolutely divergent from mine. But I will admit, when it comes to Obama, I AM close-minded. And it is not because of who I am, but because of what HE has done.

Too many lies, broken promises, Marxists and Communists, too many apologies and bows, too much spending, and demeaning of the principles and mores of America - too little accountability, responsibility, and allegiance to our flag and Constitution and too little respect for the intelligence and perception of our citizens.

Being open-minded when all you hear and see are distortions, deceit and dereliction is not an indicator of tolerance - instead, it is a benchmark of denial.

There is no way, Glaucon, that anyone who has read my posts could ever accuse me of diminishing the obvious and well-founded concerns that have arisen since the Obama presidency. Most of those concerns have already been proven justifiable - not bogus - and that had nothing to do with me.
Not all communication is biased, Glaucon. There w... (show quote)


And yet, it could, as has been said, of every President. Some Presidents have become remarkably better - the longer they are out of office. I think that's because the Presidential detractors have moved on, to the next victim. Do I think Obama has made mistakes? You betcha, but his are not historically different from any other Presidents. What IS different are the non stop attacks starting from day one. Even before taking office, it was stated, by certain Repub leadership, that their ONLY mission - was to bring down this President. That was not only a childish response to losing - it bordered on treason, but we have gotten so used to politicians acting this way, that we let it slide - and have been letting it slide for 6 years. That is NOT politics, it's called corporate sabotage.

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Apr 1, 2014 10:24:47   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
And yet, it could, as has been said, of every President. Some Presidents have become remarkably better - the longer they are out of office. I think that's because the Presidential detractors have moved on, to the next victim. Do I think Obama has made mistakes? You betcha, but his are not historically different from any other Presidents. What IS different are the non stop attacks starting from day one. Even before taking office, it was stated, by certain Repub leadership, that their ONLY mission - was to bring down this President. That was not only a childish response to losing - it bordered on treason, but we have gotten so used to politicians acting this way, that we let it slide - and have been letting it slide for 6 years. That is NOT politics, it's called corporate sabotage.
And yet, it could, as has been said, of every Pres... (show quote)


In their madness to attack Obama the right has weakened the Office of the President.

If it was not racial then what was the real reason for them to do this?

There has been a continuation of issues started be for he took office.

Will a future President ever be able to over come the harm that has come to this office.

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Apr 1, 2014 10:33:57   #
Glaucon
 
Tradition,

You say there was a time when some communications was not biased and I say you don't know what you are talking about........again.

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Apr 1, 2014 11:02:49   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
Glaucon wrote:
Why join this site?

I understood the purpose of this site was to exchange information and opinions, and to learn something. However, from my observations, it seems most would disagree with this understanding. I have observed some behaviors that would suggest other reasons for participating.

What are your thoughts? What would you add or subtract?

My observations of other purposes:

Relieve you of some of your pent up rage. Most of us have anger or rage and we have no idea why we have it or what is causing it, so we rationalize, we automatically make up a reason for our rage. We usually pick an issue or a public figure and, vent, fixate on it and obsess about it. Obama is a perfect target for our negative emotions: he is looks different from us; we envy him because he has many achievements and is smarter than we are.

Be able to say things you wouldn’t be able to say directly to someone, including insults; things that would make normal people accuse you of being unbalanced and misinformed.

Be heard by someone. Be able to get someone to pay attention to your grand theories, proposals, personal history and, most of all, your raging rants. Perhaps your significant other has locked them self in the bathroom to keep from hearing your bloviating.

Feel powerful by being able to prevent others from communicating by exhibiting troll behavior.

Experience the togetherness and support of group. People gather to others of like mind and find comfort and support .

Chat about things.

Play the big shot. It is difficult to B.S. people who know you. You can tell any story you like on this anonymous venue and feel good about your mythical greatness.
Why join this site? br br I understood the purpo... (show quote)


My reasons for joining this site are simple. I believe most people love their country and only want what is best. Like religion politics is a heated discussion. I enjoy hearing different points of view. If you can show me logically and with facts not rhetoric where my opinions are flawed, I am willing to admit I am wrong.

When you state as fact, someone else's reasons for joining this site, you loose all credibility with me. You do not know my feelings on President Obama or anything else for that matter. You insult people because of your perception of their beliefs thus making your last statement apply more to you than anyone else on this site.

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Apr 1, 2014 13:08:39   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
lpnmajor wrote:
And yet, it could, as has been said, of every President. Some Presidents have become remarkably better - the longer they are out of office. I think that's because the Presidential detractors have moved on, to the next victim. Do I think Obama has made mistakes? You betcha, but his are not historically different from any other Presidents. What IS different are the non stop attacks starting from day one. Even before taking office, it was stated, by certain Repub leadership, that their ONLY mission - was to bring down this President. That was not only a childish response to losing - it bordered on treason, but we have gotten so used to
politicians acting this way, that we let it slide - and have been letting it slide for 6 years. That is NOT politics, it's called corporate sabotage.
And yet, it could, as has been said, of every Pres... (show quote)



I disagree. Obama IS different from other Presidents - and, before the racial accusations begin - it is NOT because of his color. The differences come from his anti-American/Communist associations, i.e. Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Frank Marshall Davis; from his preferred Saul Alinsky Marxist ideology; from his apologies for America on foreign lands; his bows to foreign leaders; his criticism of, instead of his OATH to DEFEND our Constitution; from his admitted promotion of wealth distribution (Americans actually being divested of the fruits of THEIR labors for "distribution" to strangers - (THAT IS NOT POLITICS - THAT IS TYRANNY!); and, of course, there is this Obamacare fiasco, his signature legislation - MANDATING Americans to purchase something they do not want and PENALIZING them if they don't -(AGAIN - THAT IS TYRANNY!).

We have become so inured to Political Correctness that we have allowed Obama's overreach to slide. As Obama's government continues its escalation and infiltration into our lives, our liberties are being steadily whittled away and that, lpnmajor, is, sadly, not the AMERICA for which so many of our brave young men and women fought and died!!! Americans are "yearning to breathe free" from mandates, regulations, deceptions and evasions.

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Apr 1, 2014 14:03:01   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
Glaucon wrote:
Tradition,

You say there was a time when some communications was not biased and I say you don't know what you are talking about........again.






And I say there are Pulitzer Prizes awarded to journalists who have exemplified integrity and honesty in their reporting.

You speak of biased reporting when most of the culprits during Obama's reign have been the mainstream media. On TV, the only Republican/Conservative channel is FOX, which has been targeted by not only the other cable news channels, and the left leaning press, but by the President himself.

Again, my reason for joining this site was because my local area website was becoming overtly prejudicial. But it is unfair to condemn a whole industry for the actions of some -Now THAT is real bias!!!

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Apr 1, 2014 20:13:44   #
Glaucon
 
Tradition wrote:
I disagree. Obama IS different from other Presidents - and, before the racial accusations begin - it is NOT because of his color. The differences come from his anti-American/Communist associations, i.e. Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Frank Marshall Davis; from his preferred Saul Alinsky Marxist ideology; from his apologies for America on foreign lands; his bows to foreign leaders; his criticism of, instead of his OATH to DEFEND our Constitution; from his admitted promotion of wealth distribution (Americans actually being divested of the fruits of THEIR labors for "distribution" to strangers - (THAT IS NOT POLITICS - THAT IS TYRANNY!); and, of course, there is this Obamacare fiasco, his signature legislation - MANDATING Americans to purchase something they do not want and PENALIZING them if they don't -(AGAIN - THAT IS TYRANNY!).

We have become so inured to Political Correctness that we have allowed Obama's overreach to slide. As Obama's government continues its escalation and infiltration into our lives, our liberties are being steadily whittled away and that, lpnmajor, is, sadly, not the AMERICA for which so many of our brave young men and women fought and died!!! Americans are "yearning to breathe free" from mandates, regulations, deceptions and evasions.
I disagree. Obama IS different from other Preside... (show quote)


Most of your assertions you present as facts are bogus. If you are interested in considering what I have to say, let me know and I will point them out to you and provide evidence to support what I write. If you have made up your mind and have doubt, I don’t want to take the time to point out and explain why most of your assertions are erroneous.

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Apr 1, 2014 23:45:50   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
Glaucon wrote:
Most of your assertions you present as facts are bogus. If you are interested in considering what I have to say, let me know and I will point them out to you and provide evidence to support what I write. If you have made up your mind and have doubt, I don’t want to take the time to point out and explain why most of your assertions are erroneous.





I have reviewed my latest reply and know that I not only have written, but in some cases, even video validation of my assertions.

I am an avid patriot, Glaucon. My grateful immigrant grandparents have instilled in me a love of America that could never forgive a Reverend who would damn her or a President who would apologize for her to foreign leaders. That picture of him standing with his hands clasped at his crotch while the National Anthem played was not only insulting, but elucidating as well.

Though your responses to me have been condescending, you have also not used any profanity and so I will state that I AM interested in what you have to say. However, it is only fair that I also warn you that any efforts you may undertake to change my opinion regarding the lack of allegiance that Obama has displayed toward our country will be an exercise in futility. What I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears cannot be disputed.

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