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May 10, 2019 13:22:26   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
dongreen76 wrote:
Most dumb Republican politicians (specifically)Paul Ryan ,former speaker of the house referred to it as an entitlement.
I always contended that it wasn't. What they didn't know is that entitlements are things,(some times monetary)you are entitled to free just because you are a citizen of the U.S.- most people that are on social security pay in to it VIA having money taken out of their payroll checks-or sometimes , because this country is supposed to advocate human rights,hence,you are entitled to a benefit because it is the decent humane thing to do.Paul Ryan and the Republicans pursued this gross mischacracterzation of social security to alienate people against it to justify cutting or out right recending it
Most dumb Republican politicians (specifically)Pau... (show quote)


Regardless of the semantics, it is still a fact that the government budget allocates close to 70% of its revenue for social expenses. Recall that the contributions from citizens go into the general fund with a so-called IOU given to the Social Security fund. Thus any SS payouts must come ultimately from the general fund.

It is also a fact that Social Security was never meant to be the sole source of money for its retirees. It was meant to be a boost, not a living wage from the very beginning.

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May 10, 2019 13:53:04   #
Carol Kelly
 
teabag09 wrote:
Mann, I don't fear too much for us as I think we'll be gone or too far gone to be concerned but I am fearful for my daughter, 38 and grandkids. I can't comprehend how so many can't see the writing on the wall. Maybe it's the promise of free stuff which rarely anymore materializes. Our system has worked for almost 300 years, around 150 years longer than any other Democratic Republic so we must have been doing something right all of this time. But No, we need to tack, need to take a different approach. Go a different direction because of a minority. A minority that is neither educated in History or in real life experiences. It's all feelings, thinking and reasoning are out the window today and people our age are leading this malarkey.

Send me some good news Bro. What can we do other than what we are trying to? Mike
Mann, I don't fear too much for us as I think we'l... (show quote)


I relate to this because of children, grandchildren and future generations. i would
like to do something other than mouth off, but have no idea where to go with this.
So, yes, what can we do?

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May 10, 2019 17:20:42   #
dongreen76
 
Manning345 wrote:
Regardless of the semantics, it is still a fact that the government budget allocates close to 70% of its revenue for social expenses. Recall that the contributions from citizens go into the general fund with a so-called IOU given to the Social Security fund. Thus any SS payouts must come ultimately from the general fund.

It is also a fact that Social Security was never meant to be the sole source of money for its retirees. It was meant to be a boost, not a living wage from the very beginning.
Regardless of the semantics, it is still a fact th... (show quote)


Read the this is where your tax dollars go pie chart and tell us how many slices of the pie would you classify as entitlements.
https://wwwpolitifact.com/truth-o-meter/statement/2015/aug17/facebook-post/pie-chart-federal_spending-circulating-

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May 10, 2019 17:29:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Manning345 wrote:
Man the Battlements

To me, the unimaginable has been taking place for over two generations of Americans.
Witness:
1. The dumbed down, brain-washed, and biased products of our progressive and liberal school systems throughout the nation, decade by decade!
2. The unprecedented rise of socialistic thought at every turn including many of our Congressmen who should know that socialism inevitably leads to communism, and then totalitarianism, and ultimately failure, with massive loss of life in the long process. A government with elite intellectuals and communist credentials in all positions of power, together with the military in support, would indeed lord it over we peons. A centrally planned economy will inevitably fail to serve its citizens properly, but it will serve the master class superlatively just as it did in the USSR.
3. Our nation has been kept in a continual state of conflict, with the Left attacking virtually all facets of our government, our governing philosophy, our freedoms, our religious preferences, especially for Christianity, and the men and women that support our American way of life. The Constitution is under direct attack daily, piece by piece.
4. This is not what I want my children and grandchildren to inherit. The next two elections will determine our fate, whether we will be forever free, or a member of the slavish class of underlings of a dictatorial and evil government.
5. These truly evil operators have several identifiable traits:
a. Anti-American critiques
b. Anti-Christian efforts
c. Well known techniques for converting a nation to their liking, such as:
1) Cloward-Piven methodology
2) Saul Alinsky schemes
3) Progressivism ideology
4) Socialistic thought
5) Communist objectives
6) Gramsci plans and steps
Over a number of years, Cloward-Piven, Alinsky, and Gramsci developed the Rules for Radicals designed to turn any state into a collective:
(From Wikipedia)
1. Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.
2. Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3. Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4. Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state
5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)
6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.
7. Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
(It would be beneficial if all true Americans looked up these collective and atheistic ideologies, and then identify such actions taking place in our nation.)
6. In the 2016 election, had Hillary Clinton won, the nation would be well on its way to some form of collectivity, and eventually a totalitarian dictatorship. The Deep State has shown its colors ever since, including the media. We were extremely lucky to have Trump as President, and to have him poised to dismantle the conspiracy,
Man the Battlements br br To me, the unimaginable... (show quote)


Good post.

I do think, however,we are so well armed, we can stop the extreme end to what you describe. There will be lessons learned along the way, but that is our saving grace. The 2ND preserves the first and most others.

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May 10, 2019 20:01:33   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
dongreen76 wrote:
Most dumb Republican politicians (specifically)Paul Ryan ,former speaker of the house referred to it as an entitlement.
I always contended that it wasn't. What they didn't know is that entitlements are things,(some times monetary)you are entitled to free just because you are a citizen of the U.S.- most people that are on social security pay in to it VIA having money taken out of their payroll checks-or sometimes , because this country is supposed to advocate human rights,hence,you are entitled to a benefit because it is the decent humane thing to do.Paul Ryan and the Republicans pursued this gross mischacracterzation of social security to alienate people against it to justify cutting or out right recending it
Most dumb Republican politicians (specifically)Pau... (show quote)


Sorry miss qouted myself a word was missed the word is "never "

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May 10, 2019 21:13:12   #
dongreen76
 
Manning345 wrote:
Regardless of the semantics, it is still a fact that the government budget allocates close to 70% of its revenue for social expenses. Recall that the contributions from citizens go into the general fund with a so-called IOU given to the Social Security fund. Thus any SS payouts must come ultimately from the general fund.

It is also a fact that Social Security was never meant to be the sole source of money for its retirees. It was meant to be a boost, not a living wage from the very beginning.
Regardless of the semantics, it is still a fact th... (show quote)


Read this chart,it's the ole fifth grade pie curriculum of where your tax dollars go-then tells what percentage of the budget goes for entitlements

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May 10, 2019 21:38:31   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Good post.

I do think, however,we are so well armed, we can stop the extreme end to what you describe. There will be lessons learned along the way, but that is our saving grace. The 2ND preserves the first and most others.


I do agree that the 2nd is imperative to keep, however, the key to preservation of our society is two-fold at least: 1) Armed American Patriots; and 2) Our Loyal Armed Forces. So long as we have both on our side we are relatively safe.

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May 10, 2019 21:55:39   #
dongreen76
 
[quote=dongreen76]Read the this is where your tax dollars go pie chart and tell us how many slices of the pie would you classify as entitlements.
https://wwwpolitifact.com/truth-o-meter/statement/2015/aug17/facebook-post/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating

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May 11, 2019 15:06:52   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
[quote=dongreen76]
dongreen76 wrote:
Read the this is where your tax dollars go pie chart and tell us how many slices of the pie would you classify as entitlements.
https://wwwpolitifact.com/truth-o-meter/statement/2015/aug17/facebook-post/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating


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May 11, 2019 15:09:12   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Manning345 wrote:
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AS I SAID, I used social spending in the budget, not just entitlements.

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May 11, 2019 16:45:50   #
dongreen76
 
Manning345 wrote:
Regardless of the semantics, it is still a fact that the government budget allocates close to 70% of its revenue for social expenses. Recall that the contributions from citizens go into the general fund with a so-called IOU given to the Social Security fund. Thus any SS payouts must come ultimately from the general fund.

It is also a fact that Social Security was never meant to be the sole source of money for its retirees. It was meant to be a boost, not a living wage from the very beginning.
Regardless of the semantics, it is still a fact th... (show quote)


Read this and tell us how much of the money is spent on entitlements.
https://.wwwpolitifact.com/truth-o-meter/statement/2015/aug17/facebook-post/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

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