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Dec 14, 2018 11:19:14   #
davezant
 
Freedom is 'not' having the right to do as you want, but doing as you ought.

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Dec 14, 2018 11:22:47   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Lonewolf wrote:
All sin is punishable by death!!

Romans 6:23a

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Dec 14, 2018 11:32:05   #
davezant
 
But the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ.
(for the repentant believer)

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Dec 14, 2018 12:20:34   #
moldyoldy
 
Should this pulpit pimp be punished?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/with-tears-megachurch-pastor-john-gray-defends-dollar200k-lamborghini-anniversary-gift-to-wife/ar-BBQVS5U?ocid=spartanntp

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Dec 14, 2018 13:54:59   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
davezant wrote:
But the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ.
(for the repentant believer)

Romans 6:23b

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Dec 14, 2018 18:08:48   #
davezant
 
I think so, yes, he should be and will be,
Numbers 32:23
"Be sure your sin will find you out."

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Dec 14, 2018 19:01:41   #
Radiance3
 
mwdegutis wrote:
To address my biblical worldview on the article that follows, practicing homosexuality is a sin. Notice I didn’t say being a homosexual is a sin. The Bible is replete with passages that condemn sin. And the fact that God hates sin, the only thing that He does hate. And by contrast, the Bible is replete with passages that condemn practicing homosexuality, calling it an abomination among other things. So, let’s not beat around the bush and call practicing homosexuality for what it is…an abomination and a sin. And where does sin lead if it is not forgiven: For the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23a. And what is the solution? The free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23b. That and the passage below provide a very brief biblical lesson on homosexuality…and while we’re at it, transgenderism. If it offends you or you want to call me a bigot so be it. These are God’s words, not mine. Take it up with him if you have a problem with it.

And [Jesus] answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” Matthew 19:4-6

As the article illustrates below, there are no easy answers to this issue. But that doesn’t mean there are no right answers. mwdegutis

For Professing Christians: We Should All Be Prepared for This Question
John Stonestreet ~ December 12, 2018
When yet another Christian celebrity fails to give a straight answer on a hot-button moral issue, it reveals a deeper problem.

Back in September, an article in Rolling Stone announced, “A Christian Singer is Bigger than Drake and Arianna Grande this Week.” That singer is Lauren Daigle, the Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter whose brilliant voice, soulful style, and hope-filled lyrics has won fans well beyond the Contemporary Christian genre. She’s becoming a regular on talk shows and in national publications, and has officially earned the coveted status of “crossover artist” at just 27 years old.

But with broader appeal comes a challenge: maintaining one’s identity, not as a “Christian singer,” but as a Christian. Sadly, it’s a challenge many Christian celebrities have struggled to handle.

Last week during an interview with iHeart radio, Daigle was asked, given her recent appearance on the Ellen DeGeneres show, whether she believes homosexuality is a sin.

“I can’t honestly answer that,” Daigle replied. “I have too many people that I love, and they are homosexuals.”

She went on to explain that since she’s not God, she can’t say one way or another. Instead, people should just “read the Bible and find out” for themselves.

Now let me say from the beginning here I understand how hard this high-pressure situation can be. For a young woman like Daigle with a skyrocketing career, calling homosexuality a sin in a public forum could mean closing a lot of doors and alienating a lot of fans. There’s a real cost that comes with taking a stand for the Christian view of sex and marriage. Deciding to pay that price in a split second with a microphone shoved in your face is something better-trained theologians and pastors have failed to do.

But this whole story reveals something else—the deep crisis of authority plaguing evangelicalism right now. First, we should be past the point of answering this question, because the Christian view of sex and marriage should be so clear and our commitment to it should be so well-known by now that there should be no longer any point in asking the question!

The reason it still comes up is that too many evangelicals, like mainline Protestant liberals before them, have sounded an uncertain note on this topic. I’m not just talking about those very few pastors and writers who’ve reinvented their faith to accommodate LGBT theology. I’m talking about the epidemic fear to even broach the topic in so many evangelical churches and ministries, and how we’ve avoided the topic especially with our young people, instead wrongly catechizing them to look to their emotions for truth instead.

Neither the Bible nor nearly two millennia of Christian teaching are at any level ambiguous about homosexual behavior. Numerous passages in the Old and New Testaments condemn it, along with any sexual behavior outside of God’s good design for marriage between a man and a woman. No one in Christian history ever doubted this until about five minutes ago. There is no room for disagreement on the point.

For Daigle or any other Christian for that matter to publicly say, “I don’t know whether homosexuality is a sin” is like saying “I don’t know whether stealing or worshipping false gods are sins.”

And that brings up a second angle on the church-wide authority problem we face. When theological training is de-prioritized and even avoided, then our celebrities become our experts. Yes, Daigle should know better. But we should know better than to hold celebrities up as theological authorities.

And finally, we need to ask ourselves: How would we respond in Lauren Daigle’s situation? You might think, well, I’m not a celebrity. But it’s not just celebrities that will be faced with this question in awkward situations.

What will you say when someone with the power to seriously damage your career asks you what you think about a culturally popular sin? For that matter, what will you say at Christmas dinner when that one relative—maybe a relative who identifies as gay—asks you the same question?

There are no easy answers in that moment. But that doesn’t mean there are no right answers.
To address my biblical worldview on the article th... (show quote)

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Being homosexual is not a sin. BUT PRACTICING homosexuality is a GREIVOUS SIN. Example: Marrying both men, or both women.
Sewing Christian businesses for not allowing them to bake cakes or flowers for their homo-wedding.
Requiring taxpayers to pay for sex changes to their bodies, in order to fulfill the sex cravings they have.
Altering the sexual appearance of their bodies through surgeries either to become male or female or how they feel.
Their behavior is disgusting.
The Catholic does not allow them take the Holy Eucharist. Basically, they are excommunicated from the Holy Eucharist.

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Dec 14, 2018 19:10:19   #
moldyoldy
 
Venus3 wrote:
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Being homosexual is not a sin. BUT PRACTICING homosexuality is a GREIVOUS SIN. Example: Marrying both men, or both women.
Sewing Christian businesses for not allowing them to bake cakes or flowers for their homo-wedding.
Requiring taxpayers to pay for sex changes to their bodies, in order to fulfill the sex cravings they have.
Altering the sexual appearance of their bodies through surgeries either to become male or female or how they feel.
Their behavior is disgusting.
The Catholic does not allow them take the Holy Eucharist. Basically, they are excommunicated from the Holy Eucharist.
============= br Being homosexual is not a sin. BU... (show quote)


And yet, all those priests having sex with little boys are still in the church.

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Dec 14, 2018 22:25:18   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Being same sex attracted is not a sin. ACTING on that attraction is a sin, however.



Jesus said if you've lusted in your heart you have already committed the sin. That might condemn you if it were possible for you to be righteous, but that is not a possibility for any human. But, the love God has for you can forgive you of all your sins.
We spoke in church on a study night about 'can a homosexual be saved?' Our pastor said "Of course he can, the Bible does not say that a homosexual cannot be saved. Once a person is 'born again', can they be unborn again? Can you be unborn out of your family? No is the answer. If a homosexual gets saved and still practices homosexuality, will he be unborn again? No, BUT at the Judgement Seat of Christ, every man's work shall be made manifest of what sort it is by fire. If it gold, silver, and precious stones he will receive rewards. But, if the works are hay and stubble they shall be burned and he shall suffer loss. (Not quoting, but close enough)
We don't know what those rewards are, but if Christ gives them out, how can they be anything less that unimaginable? And what will the loss be for bad works ( or sin)? We don't know that either, but it MUST be bad.
The Bible says there will be no tears in heaven, and that's true, but before that time comes it will be at least 1,000 years. That's a long time to grieve over what one COULD have done for Christ, or to grieve over a loved one that didn't accept the gift of Christ. There will be weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth before the time of no tears comes. This is not my opinion...it's all in the Bible and easy to understand.

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Dec 14, 2018 22:27:16   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Romans 6:23b




And what does repentant mean? It means to CHANGE your sinful ways, not to just say your sorry and continue on as before.

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Dec 14, 2018 22:38:40   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 


Gehasi, the servant of Elisha, followed a man who had been healed of leprosy and collected money after Elisha turned down the money twice. Naaman was the rescued man and when Gehasi received the money, he immediately took on the leprosy. Jesus had no chariot with golden wheels and ivory carriage did he? Nor should ANY preacher have access to the money to buy such a luxury. The congregation should throw him out on his ear
and denounce him as a false prophet. I assure you, God has NO children that take money intended for His work and spends it so frivolously.

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Dec 14, 2018 22:46:50   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Kazudy wrote:
She not alone there is Joel Olsteen, l have no, none, zero respect for him.



He is a false prophet..he does NOT preach the whole Gospel...and he spends more on a haircut than I ever made in a week. Being a man of God does NOT give you the right to be rich. His wealth should have been used for God's work. God has blessed him with people giving him lots of money, but he has cheated God and kept a LOT of it. What do you think the outcome will be for him?

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Dec 14, 2018 22:54:51   #
davezant
 
I shudder to think of his outcome. Ananias and Saphira were killed on the spot. This is God's call, who can say his outcome?

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Dec 14, 2018 23:21:57   #
Radiance3
 
moldyoldy wrote:
And yet, all those priests having sex with little boys are still in the church.

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Wrong! There were homo's who applied as priests and deceived the church pretended to vow sacrifices for life. But they deceived the church.These were the people who created bad acts. They now have been cleaned up. 99% of the priests have vowed for self-sacrifice the rest of their lives for Christ.

Tens of thousands of the priests are sent to poor foreign countries to help the people. They provide medical care, build them homes and water supplies, build them schools, and teach them modern agriculture to harvest greater crops for their food.

Many of them are being killed by Muslims after the priests have helped them.
Catholic Church serves poor people of the world to have a better life. Non of them are credited for their sacrifices to the children of God.

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Dec 15, 2018 06:49:31   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
maximus wrote:
He is a false prophet..he does NOT preach the whole Gospel...and he spends more on a haircut than I ever made in a week. Being a man of God does NOT give you the right to be rich. His wealth should have been used for God's work. God has blessed him with people giving him lots of money, but he has cheated God and kept a LOT of it. What do you think the outcome will be for him?


He is a make you feel good preacher. However, his dad, John Osteen was a true born again pastor, whom I am sure, has turned over in his grave many times over with his son not preaching the word.

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