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The GOP Better Hope Trump Doesn't Get His Government Shutdown Over The Wall
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Dec 11, 2018 15:52:01   #
woodguru
 
old marine wrote:
The Democrats are against anything that is good for America


Well, Obama managed to do a recovery on the country from where it was when Bush left office, the stock market was posting new records and continued to trend that way the first year for Trump...now, not so much. You can't fake recovery over eight years if it isn't real.

Everything was in good shape and trending toward better, the tax cuts were profoundly ill conceived, a true Bush caliber moron move...and we saw how that worked out didn't we?

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Dec 11, 2018 16:00:17   #
Kevyn
 
Weasel wrote:
And why should Democrates deny this wall?
We all know this wall is good for our country.
The wall is a bad joke that makes our nation look ugly to the rest of the world, costs a mint, is hugely damaging to the environment, deprives American property owners access to land they own and most importantly is largely ineffectual. Border security is better achieved by fencing in urban areas and electronic border surveillance including sound detectors thermal and starlight imaging and rapid response teams of border patrol agents. This should be backed up by keeping track of the tens of thousands of people from Mexico, Canada and other nations who cross our border to work, shop and visit friends and family on a daily basis. Give the idiot Pumpkinfuhrer his wall as long as he fulfills the other half of his promise, that Mexico buys it. Otherwise fund sane border protection, make the asylum process far more efficient, work on and pass true bipartisan immigration reform. Most importantly never fund an unnecessary monument to Trumps incompetence, hate, scapegoating and hubris.

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Dec 11, 2018 16:00:38   #
woodguru
 
Jakebrake wrote:
I wish you had cried as vociferously when the halfrican went through money like there was no tomorrow! But with you leftists it's all about Trump.


the "halfrican" reduced the budget deficit by about $800+ Billion from the $1.4 Trillion Bush left it at. To which Trump has already added hundreds of billions to.

At least the black president managed bailouts and infrastructure within that framework. Trump has the deficit exploding and hasn't had to bail anything out except the farmers and ranchers he's monkeyed up with his trade wars. Infrastructure spending, which we know needs to be done hasn't been looked at because giving billionaires tax breaks had a higher priority apparently than fixing infrastructure and putting people to work.

For those who have the ability to think in abstract ways, where do you think the deficit is headed when wallstreet crashes, and banks fail? It isn't down, that's for sure

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Dec 11, 2018 16:05:29   #
woodguru
 
DogLover99 wrote:
Illegal immigration cost the taxpayers several hundred billion dollars every year. Trump needs to just cut all government support to non-citizens. That could pay for the wall 10 times over.


From where it's at right now? Illegals coming in today and over the next year or two cost how much? Use your head and think about whether the wall will prevent an extra amount like you are talking about.

A hundred thousand illegals would have to come in to cost a billion dollars, and they are not coming in at that rate...

Drugs aren't coming in over unsecured borders, the bulk is coming in through border stations in cars and trucks.

Trump has ya'll drinking some kool-aid

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Dec 11, 2018 16:08:54   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
woodguru wrote:
Well, Obama managed to do a recovery on the country from where it was when Bush left office, the stock market was posting new records and continued to trend that way the first year for Trump...now, not so much. You can't fake recovery over eight years if it isn't real.

Everything was in good shape and trending toward better, the tax cuts were profoundly ill conceived, a true Bush caliber moron move...and we saw how that worked out didn't we?


I know it has been explained to you time and again who exactly and why precisely was responsible for the crash; how Obama's recovery was by doubling the entire national debt, and Obama being proud of his new normal 1.5% growth in GDP proclaiming it will not go higher, etc, etc, etc, but it never sticks up there in your kidney or liver or whatever it is you store between your ears. I'm now trying to remember what, other than bailouts, Obama spent all that money on. He decimated our military. But the rich did get richer.......and he decreased the middle class and increased the poor.

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Dec 11, 2018 16:58:26   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
woodguru wrote:
Well, Obama managed to do a recovery on the country from where it was when Bush left office, the stock market was posting new records and continued to trend that way the first year for Trump...now, not so much. You can't fake recovery over eight years if it isn't real.

Everything was in good shape and trending toward better, the tax cuts were profoundly ill conceived, a true Bush caliber moron move...and we saw how that worked out didn't we?

What a bunch of bullshit!

https://youtu.be/4K_LlGgagZY

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Dec 11, 2018 17:01:25   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
padremike wrote:
I know it has been explained to you time and again who exactly and why precisely was responsible for the crash; how Obama's recovery was by doubling the entire national debt, and Obama being proud of his new normal 1.5% growth in GDP proclaiming it will not go higher, etc, etc, etc, but it never sticks up there in your kidney or liver or whatever it is you store between your ears. I'm now trying to remember what, other than bailouts, Obama spent all that money on. He decimated our military. But the rich did get richer.......and he decreased the middle class and increased the poor.
I know it has been explained to you time and again... (show quote)

Don't forget the $4.5 trillion pumped into the economy that spurred the stock market, making it the only game in town due to artificial interest rates being virtually zero percent.

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Dec 11, 2018 18:36:31   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Don't forget the $4.5 trillion pumped into the economy that spurred the stock market, making it the only game in town due to artificial interest rates being virtually zero percent.


The unlawful, undefined QE3! I agree. Still do not know how he got away with it. GOP had to have assisted if only by their silence.

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Dec 11, 2018 22:17:43   #
Sicilianthing
 
woodguru wrote:
It will all be on the moron's shoulders if he does.


>>>

Way cool, yep Shut the whole thing down.

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Dec 11, 2018 23:12:52   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
woodguru wrote:
I'm talking about the billions spent on the last go around, the wall Trump says has been being fixed up.

You do know there are parts of a wall up...right? Those parts cost a lot of money.


By diverting federal aid from those Sanctuary cities that refuse to comply with Federal laws wouuld build the wall and then there would be no sanctuary cities to harbor these criminal illegal immigrants.

Then many of the ICE agents and Border patrol wouldn't be needed saving big bucks for the taxpayers.

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Dec 11, 2018 23:17:44   #
Sicilianthing
 
old marine wrote:
By diverting federal aid from those Sanctuary cities that refuse to comply with Federal laws wouuld build the wall and then there would be no sanctuary cities to harbor these criminal illegal immigrants.

Then many of the ICE agents and Border patrol wouldn't be needed saving big bucks for the taxpayers.


>>>

Indeed

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Dec 11, 2018 23:18:22   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
old marine wrote:
By diverting federal aid from those Sanctuary cities that refuse to comply with Federal laws wouuld build the wall and then there would be no sanctuary cities to harbor these criminal illegal immigrants.

Then many of the ICE agents and Border patrol wouldn't be needed saving big bucks for the taxpayers.


Not a bad idea. Put it on a suggestion form and send it to Trump. If adapted you get a percentage of the savings. Well, that's the way it worked when I retired from military service 40 years ago. Really, it's not a bad idea at all.

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Dec 11, 2018 23:22:44   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Jakebrake wrote:
I wish you had cried as vociferously when the halfrican went through money like there was no tomorrow! But with you leftists it's all about Trump.


Amen broyher amen.

The Socialist Democrats remind me of a three year old throwing a temper tantrum because they could not get their way

They need to be done like my Grandpaw did me when I was three years old and threw a temper tantrum. He took me out behind the barn and gave me an "attitude adjustment". it only took one.

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Dec 11, 2018 23:29:26   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
DogLover99 wrote:
Illegal immigration cost the taxpayers several hundred billion dollars every year. Trump needs to just cut all government support to non-citizens. That could pay for the wall 10 times over.


The problem is the Socialists Democrats block these type bills. By executive order he can order funds to Sanctuary cities frozen until they comply with the law. He hasn't done that because it would hurt innocent people like the elder and poor people.

The only way is to arrest the officials one by one for violating federal laws. Find them guilty and disqualify them from ever runing for an office of trust again.

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Dec 11, 2018 23:34:05   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
padremike wrote:
Hope this copy and paste comes through OK. I expect the gist of it will. The point being that compared to what we currently spend $5 Billion is a drop in the bucket.

1 . $11 Billion to $22 Billion is spent on welfare to illegal immigrants each year by state governments. Verify At: http://www.fairus.org/site/Pag eServer?pagename=iic_ immigrati onissuecenters7fd8 < http://www.fairus.org/site/ Pag eServer? pagename=iic_immigrati onissuecenters7fd8 >

2 . $22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food Assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal immigrants. Verify At:
< http://www.cis.org/articles/ 20 04/fiscalexec.HTML The High Cost of Cheap Labor | Center for Immigration Studies www.cis.org About the Author Steven A. Camarotais Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, D.C. He holds a master's degree in political science

3 . $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal immigrants. VerifyAt: http://www.cis.org/articles/20 04/fiscalexec.HTML The High Cost of Cheap Labor | Center for Immigration Studies www.cis.org About the Author Steven A. Camarotais Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, D.C. He holds a master's degree in political science

< http://www . cis.org/articles/ 2004/fiscalex ec.HTML >

4 . $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on Primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify At: http://transcripts.cnn.com/ TRA NscriptS/0604/01/ldt ... 0.HT ML < http://transcripts.cnn.com/ T RA NscriptS/0604/01/ldt ... 0.HT ML >

5 . $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for Education for the American-born Children of illegal immigrants, known as Anchor babies. Verify At: http://transcripts.cnn.com/ TRA NscriptS/0604/01/ ldt.01.HT ML < http://transcripts.cnn.com/ T RA NscriptS/0604/01/ ldt.01.HT ML

6 . $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal immigrants. Verify At:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20 TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01. HTM L < TRANscriptS/0604/01/ ldt.01.HT M L" href=" http://transcripts.cnn . com/%20 TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTM L " target="_blank" rel="nofollow" http://transcrip ts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/ 0604 /01/ldt.01.HTML >

7 . 30% percent of all Federal Prison Inmates are illegal immigrants. Verify At:
https://owa.slugger.com/owa/Ur lBlockedError.aspx < https://owa.slugger.com/owa/ Ur lBlockedError.aspx >

8 . $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on Illegal immigrants for Welfare & Social Services by the American taxpayers. Verify At: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCI PTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML < http://premium.cnn.com/ TRANSCI PTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML >

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal immigrants. Verify At: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRI < http://transcripts.cnn.com/ TRA NSCRI >

10 . In 2006, illegal immigrants sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their Countries of origin. Verify At: .
http:// rense.com/general75/ nih t.ht m >; >

11. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes committed By Illegal Immigrants In The United States . Verify At: http:// www.drdsk.com/articleshtml http://www.drdsk.com/ articlesh tml >;
THE TOTAL COST IS $338.3 BILLION A YEAR. SINCE THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 135 MILLION TAXPAYERS IN THE UNITED STATES,OVER $2,500.00 OF YOUR TAXES GO TO FUNDING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Pelosi and Schumer are apoplectic over $5 billion. Shut down the Government Donald! Shut it down for two years if necessary! We need national security and sovereignty more than we need Progressive liars.
Hope this copy and paste comes through OK. I expe... (show quote)


Good find and post.

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