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May 28, 2018 15:32:32   #
maryjane
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I truly admire your adherence to your Biblical precepts although I cannot go down that path with you. And aside from Biblical teachings, there is no evidence to say that we are or are not the only blue planet, or that evolution is a lie. As to your reference to 'unity' and a lack of diversity, I respectfully disagree. Total adherence to an ideology with zero tolerance for dissent is a recipe for disaster. Nazi Germany is a prime example. You are absolutely free to espouse your views ... that is one of the great things about our country. But we are a nation of majority rule and the rule of law (however distant that concept may be at this period of time). You are entitled to your own opinions, and I hope they are proven true within your own existence. My reality is different but it is just as valid for me as that which you propose is for you. I wish you well.
I truly admire your adherence to your Biblical pre... (show quote)


You say we are country of majority rule but is that really true today?? It seems that almost every day I read another article about one person, or a few people, being allowed by our courts, etc, to make a change that affects every person in our nation. We have major businesses, doing nothing wrong, quickly give in to the demands of one attention seeking teenager. We constantly hear of businesses and important individuals stating an opinion, then quickly retracting it when called racist, Islamophobe, etc. No, it really doesn't appear that our country operates on majority rule today.

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May 28, 2018 15:58:37   #
moldyoldy
 
maryjane wrote:
You say we are country of majority rule but is that really true today?? It seems that almost every day I read another article about one person, or a few people, being allowed by our courts, etc, to make a change that affects every person in our nation. We have major businesses, doing nothing wrong, quickly give in to the demands of one attention seeking teenager. We constantly hear of businesses and important individuals stating an opinion, then quickly retracting it when called racist, Islamophobe, etc. No, it really doesn't appear that our country operates on majority rule today.
You say we are country of majority rule but is tha... (show quote)


JFK, MLK, were one person but espoused views held by millions.

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May 28, 2018 16:00:48   #
maryjane
 
ringoffire wrote:
Blade, you have clearly gone around bend. Every sentence your reply referred to is correct. Trump has taken our country and turned it up-side down. This man is an egregious liar, thief, con-man, bigot and a whore monger.


I am not going to debate the president's character with you, but you must be fair and factual. The mess in our country has not be caused by Trump because it all started long before him. It, the mess, was moving along at a reasonably good clip during the years of Bush2, but it all totally exploded with Obama's leadership. It was as though the left, the ultra liberals finally had their leader and so, all of a sudden, we are bombarded with racial accusations and demands we thought were long behind us. We, all of a sudden experienced true hatred and violence against US police officers and members of our military. We saw the invasion of foreigners into our nation increase many times over. We saw the great kowtowing to muslims begin and grow, so often excusing them from the very laws/rules demanded of our citizens. We saw our president travel the world heartily apologizing for America and so, we saw an urgent uprising of Americans hating America. We saw our government agencies turn away from their hundred year old duties to our nation and people. We saw our Congress become more and more bold, arrogant, and open in their disdain for regular American citizens and their determination to give ALL of America to the world's poorest and force those same regular citizens to pay the price for all of it forever. Obama and his cohorts had the next eight years of continuing all he had inflamed all planned for, but then, along came a small rebellion of those regular American citizens who threw a wrench into their plans and elected someone else. Then, with Obama's subtle encouragement, all restraint was thrown aside and hatred and chaos gained control to the point of willingness to destroy the nation in the anger at having their plans thwarted by the common people. So, no, America's problems today cannot be laid at the feet of this current president.

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May 28, 2018 16:06:24   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
maryjane wrote:
I am not going to debate the president's character with you, but you must be fair and factual. The mess in our country has not be caused by Trump because it all started long before him. It, the mess, was moving along at a reasonably good clip during the years of Bush2, but it all totally exploded with Obama's leadership. It was as though the left, the ultra liberals finally had their leader and so, all of a sudden, we are bombarded with racial accusations and demands we thought were long behind us. We, all of a sudden experienced true hatred and violence against US police officers and members of our military. We saw the invasion of foreigners into our nation increase many times over. We saw the great kowtowing to muslims begin and grow, so often excusing them from the very laws/rules demanded of our citizens. We saw our president travel the world heartily apologizing for America and so, we saw an urgent uprising of Americans hating America. We saw our government agencies turn away from their hundred year old duties to our nation and people. We saw our Congress become more and more bold, arrogant, and open in their disdain for regular American citizens and their determination to give ALL of America to the world's poorest and force those same regular citizens to pay the price for all of it forever. Obama and his cohorts had the next eight years of continuing all he had inflamed all planned for, but then, along came a small rebellion of those regular American citizens who threw a wrench into their plans and elected someone else. Then, with Obama's subtle encouragement, all restraint was thrown aside and hatred and chaos gained control to the point of willingness to destroy the nation in the anger at having their plans thwarted by the common people. So, no, America's problems today cannot be laid at the feet of this current president.
I am not going to debate the president's character... (show quote)


Well said MJ!


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May 28, 2018 16:18:10   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
maryjane wrote:
I am not going to debate the president's character with you, but you must be fair and factual. The mess in our country has not be caused by Trump because it all started long before him. It, the mess, was moving along at a reasonably good clip during the years of Bush2, but it all totally exploded with Obama's leadership. It was as though the left, the ultra liberals finally had their leader and so, all of a sudden, we are bombarded with racial accusations and demands we thought were long behind us. We, all of a sudden experienced true hatred and violence against US police officers and members of our military. We saw the invasion of foreigners into our nation increase many times over. We saw the great kowtowing to muslims begin and grow, so often excusing them from the very laws/rules demanded of our citizens. We saw our president travel the world heartily apologizing for America and so, we saw an urgent uprising of Americans hating America. We saw our government agencies turn away from their hundred year old duties to our nation and people. We saw our Congress become more and more bold, arrogant, and open in their disdain for regular American citizens and their determination to give ALL of America to the world's poorest and force those same regular citizens to pay the price for all of it forever. Obama and his cohorts had the next eight years of continuing all he had inflamed all planned for, but then, along came a small rebellion of those regular American citizens who threw a wrench into their plans and elected someone else. Then, with Obama's subtle encouragement, all restraint was thrown aside and hatred and chaos gained control to the point of willingness to destroy the nation in the anger at having their plans thwarted by the common people. So, no, America's problems today cannot be laid at the feet of this current president.
I am not going to debate the president's character... (show quote)


You speak the truth..

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May 28, 2018 16:29:11   #
Bug58
 
whitnebrat wrote:

You've destroyed the federal civil service requirements and allow cronyism to sneak back into the government workplace.


Let us look at this one a little more..

https://www.fra.org/fra/Web/Content/Sgt_Shaft/VA_Employees_Not_Fired_for_Felony_Convictions.aspx

"As the story goes, a Department of Veterans Affairs employee in Puerto Rico was fired after being arrested for armed robbery, but her union quickly got her reinstated — despite a guilty plea — by pointing out that management’s labor relations negotiator is a registered sex offender, and the hospital’s director was once arrested and found with painkiller drugs.

The woman missed work while sitting in jail but was reinstated in March with back pay."

"The same reasoning was used by the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) to justify reinstating VA executives Diana Rubens and Kim Graves after they swindled hundreds of thousands of dollars by bullying others out of jobs and then cashing in on relocation bonuses to take the jobs themselves."

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/03/heres-why-its-all-but-impossible-to-fire-a-fed/

, recently reported Environmental Protection Agency officials let an employee convicted of stealing thousands of dollars worth of equipment from the EPA back to work after a 30-day suspension. Another EPA employee was convicted of sneaking marijuana and marijuana pipes into a federal facility, but went back to work after a 21-day suspension.

Federal law requires agencies, in instances of criminal misconduct, to prove the criminal activity hurts the agency’s mission, Morris said.

“These are all symptoms,” Coburn said. “They are symptoms of a greater and bigger problem. You have an uncontrolled federal government that nobody can manage.”
The first step, he said, is cutting the federal workforce — drastically.

“The first thing you need to do is downsize the government by about two million people,” Coburn said. There are about 2.7 million people working in the executive branch, according to OPM. But Coburn doubts Congress has the willpower to do anything drastic.

“Most of them don’t even know how to run a business, or hold people accountable,” Coburn said.


You seriously don't think changes need to be made??

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May 28, 2018 17:25:54   #
debeda
 
maryjane wrote:
You say we are country of majority rule but is that really true today?? It seems that almost every day I read another article about one person, or a few people, being allowed by our courts, etc, to make a change that affects every person in our nation. We have major businesses, doing nothing wrong, quickly give in to the demands of one attention seeking teenager. We constantly hear of businesses and important individuals stating an opinion, then quickly retracting it when called racist, Islamophobe, etc. No, it really doesn't appear that our country operates on majority rule today.
You say we are country of majority rule but is tha... (show quote)


Now THAT'S truth? We're a culture of OF and minority rule run amok

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May 28, 2018 17:26:15   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
OK, I'm out. I can see that there is nothing that I can do or information that I can provide that will change any minds. Therefore I will leave you in your alternate reality holodeck to play echochamber with each other. I've got better things to do ... like watch the wind blow.
I'll be interested to see if your attitudes and logic still persists in a year or two, when we've been in a war with Iran, the Korean talks have gone nowhere and the economy has tanked because China has blown up the bond market.
In the meantime, I'll be stocking up on survival supplies and ammo. Have fun in the holodeck!

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May 28, 2018 17:27:50   #
debeda
 
maryjane wrote:
I am not going to debate the president's character with you, but you must be fair and factual. The mess in our country has not be caused by Trump because it all started long before him. It, the mess, was moving along at a reasonably good clip during the years of Bush2, but it all totally exploded with Obama's leadership. It was as though the left, the ultra liberals finally had their leader and so, all of a sudden, we are bombarded with racial accusations and demands we thought were long behind us. We, all of a sudden experienced true hatred and violence against US police officers and members of our military. We saw the invasion of foreigners into our nation increase many times over. We saw the great kowtowing to muslims begin and grow, so often excusing them from the very laws/rules demanded of our citizens. We saw our president travel the world heartily apologizing for America and so, we saw an urgent uprising of Americans hating America. We saw our government agencies turn away from their hundred year old duties to our nation and people. We saw our Congress become more and more bold, arrogant, and open in their disdain for regular American citizens and their determination to give ALL of America to the world's poorest and force those same regular citizens to pay the price for all of it forever. Obama and his cohorts had the next eight years of continuing all he had inflamed all planned for, but then, along came a small rebellion of those regular American citizens who threw a wrench into their plans and elected someone else. Then, with Obama's subtle encouragement, all restraint was thrown aside and hatred and chaos gained control to the point of willingness to destroy the nation in the anger at having their plans thwarted by the common people. So, no, America's problems today cannot be laid at the feet of this current president.
I am not going to debate the president's character... (show quote)


Yes Yes yes YES all correct!!

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May 28, 2018 17:40:02   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Nice to hear an honest admission, that you were for Obama in the beginning and then you "saw the light" or at least what this guy was all about. Would love it if more Dems could see right through this guy, but I think they've been brutally indoctrinated. Thanks for your story and the courage to acknowledge this.


Thank you

I'm not a genus, just an average guy. Point being, if I 'saw the light', being just average, why are there ANY liberals left? No gender at birth? No borders? Gun control? Rampant crime? Illegal aliens are equal in value to hard working American citizens? Higher taxes? No jobs? Apologizing to foreign countries for being us? Be a joke to every country on earth, a has been? No morals? Lie after lie? Ashamed to be a white person? Constitution wiped out? Rights gone? Men peeing along side women and little girls? 58 genders? WHAT? Cop hatred? Liberalism is a disease obviously, as NO ONE in their right mind would support these abstract policies.
I'm not ashamed to say I was wrong and though it took a while, the truth hit me like 'a thousand of bricks' (John Wayne...True Grit).


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May 28, 2018 18:00:26   #
debeda
 
maximus wrote:
Thank you

I'm not a genus, just an average guy. Point being, if I 'saw the light', being just average, why are there ANY liberals left? No gender at birth? No borders? Gun control? Rampant crime? Illegal aliens are equal in value to hard working American citizens? Higher taxes? No jobs? Apologizing to foreign countries for being us? Be a joke to every country on earth, a has been? No morals? Lie after lie? Ashamed to be a white person? Constitution wiped out? Rights gone? Men peeing along side women and little girls? 58 genders? WHAT? Cop hatred? Liberalism is a disease obviously, as NO ONE in their right mind would support these abstract policies.
I'm not ashamed to say I was wrong and though it took a while, the truth hit me like 'a thousand of bricks' (John Wayne...True Grit).

Thank you br br I'm not a genus, just an average ... (show quote)


Good post!!

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May 28, 2018 18:36:34   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
maximus wrote:
Thank you

I'm not a genus, just an average guy. Point being, if I 'saw the light', being just average, why are there ANY liberals left? No gender at birth? No borders? Gun control? Rampant crime? Illegal aliens are equal in value to hard working American citizens? Higher taxes? No jobs? Apologizing to foreign countries for being us? Be a joke to every country on earth, a has been? No morals? Lie after lie? Ashamed to be a white person? Constitution wiped out? Rights gone? Men peeing along side women and little girls? 58 genders? WHAT? Cop hatred? Liberalism is a disease obviously, as NO ONE in their right mind would support these abstract policies.
I'm not ashamed to say I was wrong and though it took a while, the truth hit me like 'a thousand of bricks' (John Wayne...True Grit).

Thank you br br I'm not a genus, just an average ... (show quote)


Because you are mostly normal, have some morals, know right from wrong... you were simply misinformed or followed the herd until you saw them falling off the cliff like lemmings. Your eyes and the truth finally convinced your brain of reality. Or you simply grew up, got married, had a child and said whoa, they really are coming for our kids and they're not getting mine. Just guessing, how did I do?

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May 28, 2018 18:43:45   #
moldyoldy
 
Peewee wrote:
Because you are mostly normal, have some morals, know right from wrong... you were simply misinformed or followed the herd until you saw them falling off the cliff like lemmings. Your eyes and the truth finally convinced your brain of reality. Or you simply grew up, got married, had a child and said whoa, they really are coming for our kids and they're not getting mine. Just guessing, how did I do?


Completely wrong, he would need a heart to be a liberal.

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May 28, 2018 19:03:28   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I guess it's time to congratulate you conservatives. You've accomplished some major wins. I may disagree with how you accomplished it, but you are winning. The country is definitely tilting to the right. The ship of state has taken a list to starboard, and I can't deny that.

You've won the battle.

There are a whole lot of new federal judges that will force conservative decisions for the next few decades.

You've destroyed the federal civil service requirements and allow cronyism to sneak back into the government workplace.

You've eliminated a raft of environmental regulations that mainly affect poor and minority communities.

The federal lands are now open to the 'thumper trucks' which search for oil.

The poultry and beef processing industry is having trouble finding enough people to work in the gruesome slaughterhouses that provide our steaks and rotisserie chicken.

Our water supplies are no longer being tested for harmful chemicals.

Employees of major corporations no longer have the ability to band together in class action lawsuits. Instead, they have to resort to private arbitration on a one-to-one basis which most cannot afford to do because of high legal fees.

Respect for the Department of Justice and the FBI has been eroded, which makes it more difficult for them to do their jobs and get cooperation from the population.

You've defanged the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was showing signs of actually holding companies accountable when they committed fraud against their customers.

China and Russia are doing major deals with the rest of the world that we've retreated from. China is estimated to be ahead of in Artificial Intelligence within a decade, and their companies are quietly acquiring American firms. And to do business in China, our companies have to partner with a Chinese firm, which mandates intellectual property transfers and eliminates our technological edge.

Yep, you're winning. You're accomplishing the decline of the United States as a world power. We've alienated our European allies and degraded the relations with our Asian partners.

You're achieving your goal of taking the country back to the late nineteenth century, which was isolationist, racist, homophobic, mysogenistic, religiously bigoted and the realm of the big industrialists (the Robber Barons.) A truly worthy goal, if you don't know what life back then was like.

I wish you well. I'm old enough that I probably won't see the end result of all this. I'm glad of that, but I fear for the younger generations and the quality of life that they will inherit.

Congratulations, you've won the present battle. But long term, you've lost the war, and our country is much the worse for that. If you prevail, that great experiment called democracy will fail.

Make America Great Again! NOT!
I guess it's time to congratulate you conservative... (show quote)


whitnebrat: Your full of poppycock!

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May 28, 2018 19:06:55   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
grace scott wrote:
Reading this hurt. Realizing it is true hurt more.


grace scott: Your pain is coming from your confusion and duping from your libtard handlers!

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