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Did voter fraud occur in 2016?
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Apr 22, 2018 14:52:11   #
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kemmer wrote:
Nope. The Republicans are just moaning about voter fraud so that they can impose enough voter restrictions to discourage poor, elderly, student, and rural Dems from voting. It’s their only chance to avoid a total disaster in the midterms. The midterms will be strictly a referendum on Trump.


Yet one more completely ridiculous claim with absolutely no basis in truth. But it's a headline, therefore we must endure it every time the subject comes up. There is no citizen in this country who couldn't acquire voting credentials of any kind at no cost.

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Apr 22, 2018 15:02:59   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Your facts are in error. Red States tried to back up Trumps claim that 3 million illegal votes were cast for Clinton, but the Secretaries of State in each of these eventually walked back those claims. The recounts were demanded by the Green party candidate.


My facts are totally correct; you don't read what was written in your haste to prove me wrong. My comments were pertinent to the three states where recounts were demanded by the Green candidate; however, a recount is a recount no matter who asks for it.

As far as any red state refusing to recount, it makes sense. What would be the point since Trump won? If there was sufficient evidence of vote fraud then it should have been a criminal investigation. I doubt that anyone had the proof for that.

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Apr 22, 2018 15:18:56   #
kemmer
 
private wrote:
...There is no citizen in this country who couldn't acquire voting credentials of any kind at no cost.

But it’s never been a problem until the Republicans have become such dickheads that they’re facing disaster without over-the-top voter purges and restrictions.

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Apr 22, 2018 15:45:25   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Yes voter fraud was wide spread but it didn't help the most criminal, treasonous, nasty stank in the universe. In my district alone over 2,000 illegals were registered to vote and our full term abortion, animal rights supporting, state boycotting, co-chairman of the American Socialist Party and member of MEChA was re-elected by less than 2,000. I have a solution. Drag every dirty Leftest to the street including RINOs and string them up. I'll bring the string.



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Apr 22, 2018 16:38:49   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't ), or even looked for ( it isn't ), nothing can be done about it now, other than letting everyone know.

It might be helpful to know whether it actually happened or not, but certain someone's don't seem keen on finding out one way or the other. I do find it curious to note that 21 States were notified in 2014 that their voting systems were vulnerable, for which technical help through DHS was offered. Not one of those States availed themselves of that help........................until 2017.

Every politician of every stripe admits that certain bad actors "meddled" in our electoral process - who then breathlessly state that the meddling "did not affect the outcome of the vote", a statement which has not been verified to be true. No State in the Union has complied with repeated request from DHS and the FBI, to allow their experts to examine the electronic systems themselves, instead providing statements that they are confident that their systems were not compromised.

So, lets recap: In 2014, DHS notifies certain States that their electronic voting systems are vulnerable to "hacking" and offers to send technical help. Those States decline the offer. Those same systems, without updated security protocols, are used for the 2016 elections. The new President claims that rampant voter fraud occurred, and even forms a commission to ensure electoral integrity ( a commission later disbanded ). Intelligence services report massive meddling by foreign and domestic actors in the 2016 cycle and ask to examine the systems used, to determine whether votes were modified, requests which were denied. Those certain States, after denying examination of their systems, report that their systems were not compromised - but request help in securing those systems against future incursions.

The current narrative is that Russians, and possibly others, did meddle in that election, but that the vote itself was not compromised - even though this statement
has not been examined or verified, and based solely on "self reporting" by the affected States, who now seek to secure their systems after the fact - while the President continues to insist that voting irregularities occurred. How does one know for sure that no votes were affected, if one does not look? How does one prove that voter fraud occurred, but only affected one candidate and not the other?

I have no doubt that there will be more claims of voter irregularities after this years elections - just as there is no doubt that those claims will not be examined too closely, or verified - by the "winners".
If it did and/or the numbers were significant, the... (show quote)


ipnmajor: Delusional Again! If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Hillary is cheating again!. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't ), but suspect, or even looked for; suspect! Nothing can be done about it now, other than letting everyone know the democrats are exceptional at voter fraud!!!! MAGA We now have a Great President! Get over it!

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Apr 22, 2018 16:41:17   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
woodguru wrote:
Election fraud did, there are some states that have some of the most ridiculously senseless and stupid rules possible, rules that could only be possible so that miscounts can be allowed to happen on purpose.

Michigan, there is reason for a recount, so precinct by precinct a recount is fine if the registered voter count matches the votes cast. But if there is a discrepancy that one can't be recounted. This is one of the most glaringly idiotic rules imaginable. Logic would require the districts with errors to be recounted, not prohibit it.

Then there is the precincts that have a number of registered voters that can be exceeded by actual votes cast by as much as 120 or 125 percent. So the precinct officials knowing that this can't be possible say oops, our bad, we must have made a mistake, we will subtract the percentage that's over 100%. So if there had been 20k added to one side, we'll assume the side that controls the election board, then when 20% is taken off each side the differential is bigger than it would have been because the side that didn't have votes added will be losing 20%.

I recall reading that this was actually a thing that took place in a huge number of small precincts.

Election boards across the country should be dealing with the same exact rules concerning how counts are managed, as well as standards for numbers of polling places and all kinds of other things that no election board needs to create abnormal rules for.

The number one thing that needs to happen even for 2018 is hard ballots that can be properly tallied and counted. There would only be one reason for any state to reject upgrades to their systems so that recounts can be easily done, and that's because they like however they are monkeying with the numbers.

Each side seems to think the other is cheating? Fine make a system that makes it far harder, because it's way too easy now.
Election fraud did, there are some states that hav... (show quote)


woodie: You're grossly delusional! CA is a guarantee cheat not to mention OR, and WA state! We know they cheat in PA!

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Apr 22, 2018 16:54:07   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
woodie: You're grossly delusional! CA is a guarantee cheat not to mention OR, and WA state! We know they cheat in PA!


Prove it or STFU.

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Apr 22, 2018 17:46:45   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
BB: Here is you're proof....caught you cheating!


Is that all ya got Jr?

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Apr 22, 2018 18:32:47   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Is that all ya got Jr?


No! This is what you got! Got it? Naw.....didn't think so! You're handlers must be watering you twice a week now?

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Apr 22, 2018 18:41:39   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
No! This is what you got! Got it? Naw.....didn't think so! You're handlers must be watering you twice a week now?



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Apr 22, 2018 18:52:22   #
maureenthannon
 
Clinton got illegal campaign contributions from Russians. It's illegal for campaigns to accept contributions from foreign countries, so Russians contributions didn't go directly to her campaign, but to the Clinton Foundation, and to Hillary's husband Bill. In exchange for the millions of dollars from the zrussians, Hill let the Russians get 20% of Americas uranium.

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Apr 22, 2018 18:55:35   #
maureenthannon
 
Asusual. many dead people vote for the Democratic candidate, and many vote more than once. Millions of illegal immigrants are let into the country and allowed to vote. It would be considered wrong to only allow legal votes to count, because, without illegal votes, how could a Democrat win an election?

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Apr 22, 2018 18:58:10   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
maureenthannon wrote:
Clinton got illegal campaign contributions from Russians. It's illegal for campaigns to accept contributions from foreign countries, so Russians contributions didn't go directly to her campaign, but to the Clinton Foundation, and to Hillary's husband Bill. In exchange for the millions of dollars from the zrussians, Hill let the Russians get 20% of Americas uranium.


Prove it and indict. Or STFU



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Apr 22, 2018 19:14:09   #
maureenthannon
 
The states that did recount had Hillary getting less votes, many liberals voted for Stein instead of Hillary, so it helped Trump.

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Apr 22, 2018 19:19:26   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
kemmer wrote:
But it’s never been a problem until the Republicans have become such dickheads that they’re facing disaster without over-the-top voter purges and restrictions.


It was never a problem until the Democrats insisted on flooding the country with illegal aliens and qualifying them to vote. The party of handouts pulls voters by satisfying their gimmes.

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