Did voter fraud occur in 2016? If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't )...

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't ), or even looked for ( it isn't ), nothing can be done about it now, other than letting everyone know.

It might be helpful to know whether it actually happened or not, but certain someone's don't seem keen on finding out one way or the other. I do find it curious to note that 21 States were notified in 2014 that their voting systems were vulnerable, for which technical help through DHS was offered. Not one of those States availed themselves of that help........................until 2017.

Every politician of every stripe admits that certain bad actors "meddled" in our electoral process - who then breathlessly state that the meddling "did not affect the outcome of the vote", a statement which has not been verified to be true. No State in the Union has complied with repeated request from DHS and the FBI, to allow their experts to examine the electronic systems themselves, instead providing statements that they are confident that their systems were not compromised.

So, lets recap: In 2014, DHS notifies certain States that their electronic voting systems are vulnerable to "hacking" and offers to send technical help. Those States decline the offer. Those same systems, without updated security protocols, are used for the 2016 elections. The new President claims that rampant voter fraud occurred, and even forms a commission to ensure electoral integrity ( a commission later disbanded ). Intelligence services report massive meddling by foreign and domestic actors in the 2016 cycle and ask to examine the systems used, to determine whether votes were modified, requests which were denied. Those certain States, after denying examination of their systems, report that their systems were not compromised - but request help in securing those systems against future incursions.

The current narrative is that Russians, and possibly others, did meddle in that election, but that the vote itself was not compromised - even though this statement
has not been examined or verified, and based solely on "self reporting" by the affected States, who now seek to secure their systems after the fact - while the President continues to insist that voting irregularities occurred. How does one know for sure that no votes were affected, if one does not look? How does one prove that voter fraud occurred, but only affected one candidate and not the other?

I have no doubt that there will be more claims of voter irregularities after this years elections - just as there is no doubt that those claims will not be examined too closely, or verified - by the "winners".

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

lpnmajor wrote:

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't ), or even looked for ( it isn't ), nothing can be done about it now, other than letting everyone know.

It might be helpful to know whether it actually happened or not, but certain someone's don't seem keen on finding out one way or the other. I do find it curious to note that 21 States were notified in 2014 that their voting systems were vulnerable, for which technical help through DHS was offered. Not one of those States availed themselves of that help........................until 2017.

Every politician of every stripe admits that certain bad actors "meddled" in our electoral process - who then breathlessly state that the meddling "did not affect the outcome of the vote", a statement which has not been verified to be true. No State in the Union has complied with repeated request from DHS and the FBI, to allow their experts to examine the electronic systems themselves, instead providing statements that they are confident that their systems were not compromised.

So, lets recap: In 2014, DHS notifies certain States that their electronic voting systems are vulnerable to "hacking" and offers to send technical help. Those States decline the offer. Those same systems, without updated security protocols, are used for the 2016 elections. The new President claims that rampant voter fraud occurred, and even forms a commission to ensure electoral integrity ( a commission later disbanded ). Intelligence services report massive meddling by foreign and domestic actors in the 2016 cycle and ask to examine the systems used, to determine whether votes were modified, requests which were denied. Those certain States, after denying examination of their systems, report that their systems were not compromised - but request help in securing those systems against future incursions.

The current narrative is that Russians, and possibly others, did meddle in that election, but that the vote itself was not compromised - even though this statement
has not been examined or verified, and based solely on "self reporting" by the affected States, who now seek to secure their systems after the fact - while the President continues to insist that voting irregularities occurred. How does one know for sure that no votes were affected, if one does not look? How does one prove that voter fraud occurred, but only affected one candidate and not the other?

I have no doubt that there will be more claims of voter irregularities after this years elections - just as there is no doubt that those claims will not be examined too closely, or verified - by the "winners".

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, the... (show quote)

No doubt many illegals voted, but that would have hurt Trump. Russia and those Russian bots had no more effect than folks on Facebook posting their political meme's. If anything, if there was voter fraud, it simply makes Trumps victory even more amazing.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

Paper ballots only will be used this year in TX, But I'd bet in the blue cities the ballots will all be filled in,
in advance for the illiterate dindu crowd.

And on both leftist coast's, busing the welfare crowd around from one poling station to the next will just be business
as usual.

pafret Loc: Northeast

lpnmajor wrote:

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President.

How short your memory is!. Do you recall that recounts were demanded in three of the more populous states and in each case voter fraud was found and it was in favor of Hillary Clinton? Any statement about Trump's legitimacy based on fraud needs to reconcile with the fact that 100 percent of the states checked showed fraud in favor of Hillary.

You opened with such a whopper I didn't bother reading any further.

woodguru

Election fraud did, there are some states that have some of the most ridiculously senseless and stupid rules possible, rules that could only be possible so that miscounts can be allowed to happen on purpose.

Michigan, there is reason for a recount, so precinct by precinct a recount is fine if the registered voter count matches the votes cast. But if there is a discrepancy that one can't be recounted. This is one of the most glaringly idiotic rules imaginable. Logic would require the districts with errors to be recounted, not prohibit it.

Then there is the precincts that have a number of registered voters that can be exceeded by actual votes cast by as much as 120 or 125 percent. So the precinct officials knowing that this can't be possible say oops, our bad, we must have made a mistake, we will subtract the percentage that's over 100%. So if there had been 20k added to one side, we'll assume the side that controls the election board, then when 20% is taken off each side the differential is bigger than it would have been because the side that didn't have votes added will be losing 20%.

I recall reading that this was actually a thing that took place in a huge number of small precincts.

Election boards across the country should be dealing with the same exact rules concerning how counts are managed, as well as standards for numbers of polling places and all kinds of other things that no election board needs to create abnormal rules for.

The number one thing that needs to happen even for 2018 is hard ballots that can be properly tallied and counted. There would only be one reason for any state to reject upgrades to their systems so that recounts can be easily done, and that's because they like however they are monkeying with the numbers.

Each side seems to think the other is cheating? Fine make a system that makes it far harder, because it's way too easy now.

woodguru

pafret wrote:

How short your memory is!. Do you recall that recounts were demanded in three of the more populous states and in each case voter fraud was found and it was in favor of Hillary Clinton? Any statement about Trump's legitimacy based on fraud needs to reconcile with the fact that 100 percent of the states checked showed fraud in favor of Hillary.

You opened with such a whopper I didn't bother reading any further.

Look how many states recounts were demanded that the states fought to not allow it. And Michigan with the moronic recount law that if the votes cast record doesn't match the count tally it cant be recounted. That's way too convenient for the election board that wants to get creative.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

lpnmajor wrote:

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't ), or even looked for ( it isn't ), nothing can be done about it now, other than letting everyone know.

It might be helpful to know whether it actually happened or not, but certain someone's don't seem keen on finding out one way or the other. I do find it curious to note that 21 States were notified in 2014 that their voting systems were vulnerable, for which technical help through DHS was offered. Not one of those States availed themselves of that help........................until 2017.

Every politician of every stripe admits that certain bad actors "meddled" in our electoral process - who then breathlessly state that the meddling "did not affect the outcome of the vote", a statement which has not been verified to be true. No State in the Union has complied with repeated request from DHS and the FBI, to allow their experts to examine the electronic systems themselves, instead providing statements that they are confident that their systems were not compromised.

So, lets recap: In 2014, DHS notifies certain States that their electronic voting systems are vulnerable to "hacking" and offers to send technical help. Those States decline the offer. Those same systems, without updated security protocols, are used for the 2016 elections. The new President claims that rampant voter fraud occurred, and even forms a commission to ensure electoral integrity ( a commission later disbanded ). Intelligence services report massive meddling by foreign and domestic actors in the 2016 cycle and ask to examine the systems used, to determine whether votes were modified, requests which were denied. Those certain States, after denying examination of their systems, report that their systems were not compromised - but request help in securing those systems against future incursions.

The current narrative is that Russians, and possibly others, did meddle in that election, but that the vote itself was not compromised - even though this statement
has not been examined or verified, and based solely on "self reporting" by the affected States, who now seek to secure their systems after the fact - while the President continues to insist that voting irregularities occurred. How does one know for sure that no votes were affected, if one does not look? How does one prove that voter fraud occurred, but only affected one candidate and not the other?

I have no doubt that there will be more claims of voter irregularities after this years elections - just as there is no doubt that those claims will not be examined too closely, or verified - by the "winners".

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, the... (show quote)

You people are amazing BSers...You cant find any collusion-delusion BS,so now you going after his legitimacy????..When are you going to get a grip on reality that your BS Hillary or should i call Killery lost and might face justice together with Comey,McCabe and allthe rest criminal cabal!!!......Prepare for a lot of orange suits in your Demonic Party!!!Il be watching it on TV with glass of wine and pizza and invite a lot of friends for this celebration of justice!!!FINALLY!!!

vernon

lpnmajor wrote:

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't ), or even looked for ( it isn't ), nothing can be done about it now, other than letting everyone know.

It might be helpful to know whether it actually happened or not, but certain someone's don't seem keen on finding out one way or the other. I do find it curious to note that 21 States were notified in 2014 that their voting systems were vulnerable, for which technical help through DHS was offered. Not one of those States availed themselves of that help........................until 2017.

Every politician of every stripe admits that certain bad actors "meddled" in our electoral process - who then breathlessly state that the meddling "did not affect the outcome of the vote", a statement which has not been verified to be true. No State in the Union has complied with repeated request from DHS and the FBI, to allow their experts to examine the electronic systems themselves, instead providing statements that they are confident that their systems were not compromised.

So, lets recap: In 2014, DHS notifies certain States that their electronic voting systems are vulnerable to "hacking" and offers to send technical help. Those States decline the offer. Those same systems, without updated security protocols, are used for the 2016 elections. The new President claims that rampant voter fraud occurred, and even forms a commission to ensure electoral integrity ( a commission later disbanded ). Intelligence services report massive meddling by foreign and domestic actors in the 2016 cycle and ask to examine the systems used, to determine whether votes were modified, requests which were denied. Those certain States, after denying examination of their systems, report that their systems were not compromised - but request help in securing those systems against future incursions.

The current narrative is that Russians, and possibly others, did meddle in that election, but that the vote itself was not compromised - even though this statement
has not been examined or verified, and based solely on "self reporting" by the affected States, who now seek to secure their systems after the fact - while the President continues to insist that voting irregularities occurred. How does one know for sure that no votes were affected, if one does not look? How does one prove that voter fraud occurred, but only affected one candidate and not the other?

I have no doubt that there will be more claims of voter irregularities after this years elections - just as there is no doubt that those claims will not be examined too closely, or verified - by the "winners".

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, the... (show quote)

Name the 21 states.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

11r20 wrote:

Paper ballots only will be used this year in TX, But I'd bet in the blue cities the ballots will all be filled in,
in advance for the illiterate dindu crowd.

And on both leftist coast's, busing the welfare crowd around from one poling station to the next will just be business
as usual.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

pafret wrote:

How short your memory is!. Do you recall that recounts were demanded in three of the more populous states and in each case voter fraud was found and it was in favor of Hillary Clinton? Any statement about Trump's legitimacy based on fraud needs to reconcile with the fact that 100 percent of the states checked showed fraud in favor of Hillary.

You opened with such a whopper I didn't bother reading any further.

Your facts are in error. Red States tried to back up Trumps claim that 3 million illegal votes were cast for Clinton, but the Secretaries of State in each of these eventually walked back those claims. The recounts were demanded by the Green party candidate.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

proud republican wrote:

You people are amazing BSers...You cant find any collusion-delusion BS,so now you going after his legitimacy????..When are you going to get a grip on reality that your BS Hillary or should i call Killery lost and might face justice together with Comey,McCabe and allthe rest criminal cabal!!!......Prepare for a lot of orange suits in your Demonic Party!!!Il be watching it on TV with glass of wine and pizza and invite a lot of friends for this celebration of justice!!!FINALLY!!!

I did NOT say that Trumps Presidency was illegitimate, I said that IF massive voter fraud occurred it MIGHT be..............but that no one is looking. Why is it that people like you rush to defend Trump, dragging out the old "Hillary" arguments, even before examining the allegation?

What I suggested is that our entire electoral process is vulnerable, but is only of concern to the losers, as the winners delude themselves into believing it was destiny. Why do you suppose States are taking this seriously NOW, when they were not prior to the 2016 election? It is because they recognize the fact that the goal of the interference was/is to sow chaos, confusion and anger amongst the American people - and the best way to do that now - is to throw the midterms to Democrats.

The winners continue to crow about winning, putting themselves in danger of a stroke insisting that their "win" was 100% legitimate, while the losers continue to whine about losing, seeking to blame their loss on someone else - and neither side are taking this seriously, putting us in more danger than we were in the day before 9/11. The fact is, not a single thing will change if all Americans accept the possibility that the 2016 elections were tampered with, votes included - except - they might just come together to demand that EVERY effort is made to ensure it does not happen again.

This is NOT ABOUT TRUMP!

kemmer

lpnmajor wrote:

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't ), or even looked for ( it isn't ), nothing can be done about it now, other than letting everyone know.

It might be helpful to know whether it actually happened or not, but certain someone's don't seem keen on finding out one way or the other. I do find it curious to note that 21 States were notified in 2014 that their voting systems were vulnerable, for which technical help through DHS was offered. Not one of those States availed themselves of that help........................until 2017.

Every politician of every stripe admits that certain bad actors "meddled" in our electoral process - who then breathlessly state that the meddling "did not affect the outcome of the vote", a statement which has not been verified to be true. No State in the Union has complied with repeated request from DHS and the FBI, to allow their experts to examine the electronic systems themselves, instead providing statements that they are confident that their systems were not compromised.

So, lets recap: In 2014, DHS notifies certain States that their electronic voting systems are vulnerable to "hacking" and offers to send technical help. Those States decline the offer. Those same systems, without updated security protocols, are used for the 2016 elections. The new President claims that rampant voter fraud occurred, and even forms a commission to ensure electoral integrity ( a commission later disbanded ). Intelligence services report massive meddling by foreign and domestic actors in the 2016 cycle and ask to examine the systems used, to determine whether votes were modified, requests which were denied. Those certain States, after denying examination of their systems, report that their systems were not compromised - but request help in securing those systems against future incursions.

The current narrative is that Russians, and possibly others, did meddle in that election, but that the vote itself was not compromised - even though this statement
has not been examined or verified, and based solely on "self reporting" by the affected States, who now seek to secure their systems after the fact - while the President continues to insist that voting irregularities occurred. How does one know for sure that no votes were affected, if one does not look? How does one prove that voter fraud occurred, but only affected one candidate and not the other?

I have no doubt that there will be more claims of voter irregularities after this years elections - just as there is no doubt that those claims will not be examined too closely, or verified - by the "winners".

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, the... (show quote)

IF illegals voted, Trump wouldn't be president.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

The lelftist leader, Obama, proclaimed one would have to be a dummy to think that any outside agency could effect an American election, but since Trump won, all of the sudden there IS voter fraud. LOL!

kemmer

nwtk2007 wrote:

The lelftist leader, Obama, proclaimed one would have to be a dummy to think that any outside agency could effect an American election, but since Trump won, all of the sudden there IS voter fraud. LOL!

Nope. The Republicans are just moaning about voter fraud so that they can impose enough voter restrictions to discourage poor, elderly, student, and rural Dems from voting. It’s their only chance to avoid a total disaster in the midterms. The midterms will be strictly a referendum on Trump.

badbob85037

lpnmajor wrote:

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, then Trump is not the legitimate President. Of course, even if such a thing was confirmed ( it hasn't ), or even looked for ( it isn't ), nothing can be done about it now, other than letting everyone know.

It might be helpful to know whether it actually happened or not, but certain someone's don't seem keen on finding out one way or the other. I do find it curious to note that 21 States were notified in 2014 that their voting systems were vulnerable, for which technical help through DHS was offered. Not one of those States availed themselves of that help........................until 2017.

Every politician of every stripe admits that certain bad actors "meddled" in our electoral process - who then breathlessly state that the meddling "did not affect the outcome of the vote", a statement which has not been verified to be true. No State in the Union has complied with repeated request from DHS and the FBI, to allow their experts to examine the electronic systems themselves, instead providing statements that they are confident that their systems were not compromised.

So, lets recap: In 2014, DHS notifies certain States that their electronic voting systems are vulnerable to "hacking" and offers to send technical help. Those States decline the offer. Those same systems, without updated security protocols, are used for the 2016 elections. The new President claims that rampant voter fraud occurred, and even forms a commission to ensure electoral integrity ( a commission later disbanded ). Intelligence services report massive meddling by foreign and domestic actors in the 2016 cycle and ask to examine the systems used, to determine whether votes were modified, requests which were denied. Those certain States, after denying examination of their systems, report that their systems were not compromised - but request help in securing those systems against future incursions.

The current narrative is that Russians, and possibly others, did meddle in that election, but that the vote itself was not compromised - even though this statement
has not been examined or verified, and based solely on "self reporting" by the affected States, who now seek to secure their systems after the fact - while the President continues to insist that voting irregularities occurred. How does one know for sure that no votes were affected, if one does not look? How does one prove that voter fraud occurred, but only affected one candidate and not the other?

I have no doubt that there will be more claims of voter irregularities after this years elections - just as there is no doubt that those claims will not be examined too closely, or verified - by the "winners".

If it did and/or the numbers were significant, the... (show quote)

Yes voter fraud was wide spread but it didn't help the most criminal, treasonous, nasty stank in the universe. In my district alone over 2,000 illegals were registered to vote and our full term abortion, animal rights supporting, state boycotting, co-chairman of the American Socialist Party and member of MEChA was re-elected by less than 2,000. I have a solution. Drag every dirty Leftest to the street including RINOs and string them up. I'll bring the string.