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Feb 7, 2018 14:33:07   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Just wondering, who do you think my God/King is?
Plus wondering how your question is relevant in any way to my reply to rjoeholl.

None and none.

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Feb 7, 2018 15:07:03   #
moldyoldy
 
Those clamoring for states be in charge of everything, are not thinking this through. Wild west gun laws in some states, no rights for women in other states, Christian sharia type laws where the husband is all powerful. We need federal overview of states.

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Feb 7, 2018 15:23:45   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Bad Bob wrote:
None and none.


Then your question is irrelevant and I am baffled as to why you asked it.



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Feb 7, 2018 15:58:56   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Then your question is irrelevant and I am baffled as to why you asked it.


Paul ask the right wing wackos about the God/King Obama.

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Feb 7, 2018 18:26:24   #
GmanTerry
 
Highlander66 wrote:
I want term limits and when a politician is out of office they receive nothing further. No retirement no pension nothing. They return to the private sector and have to live under the laws they enact for the rest of us


A heck of a lot of our problems would be solved if our elected officials really were citizens who were elected for a couple of terms and then went back to being productive member of society as envisioned by the founders. The 17th Amendment to the Constitution was a serious mistake. The governors of the States used to appoint the U.S. Senators for each State. New Governor, new Senators. Great idea. Now we end up with the likes of John McCain and Jeff Flake. This being a senator for life is a real bad idea. The Senators believe they are royalty. They need term limits the most. If we limit the President, why not Congress and Supreme Court Justices?

Semper Fi

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Feb 7, 2018 19:02:07   #
PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama
 
Outstanding. Agree but until WE THE PEOPLE demand our elected officials adhere to the Constitution, we have term limits and cut their perks. Make them work, instead of so many BREAKS. Nothing is going to change. WE have to demand it change. That's what the Tea Party was supposed to have been about. Sadly most of them sold out.
AmChistPat651 wrote:
ON ITS surface, the question posited above could for some, to be a daunting one. However, given the underlying tone I feel it relatively important to respond as succinctly and directly as possible.
I have to believe that anyone who seeks the knowledge of another must in his/her own mind have an opinion and since I am quite willing to share my point of view, I feel it incumbent upon the inquirer to share in kind. It is my hope, as I follow-up that this would indeed be the case.
Marcus Tullius Cicero (c. 106-43 B.C.) was the great defender of the Roman republic and a master of oratory. The author of several books on politics, philosophy, and rhetoric, he was the first to speak of natural law as a moral or political law, and was an important influence on our great nation's Founders.
Around 54-51 B.C. he wrote: "true law is right reason, consonant with nature, spread through all people. It is consonant and eternal; it summons to duty by its orders, it deters from crime by its prohibitions. Its orders and prohibitions to good people are never given in vain; but it does not move the wicked by these orders or prohibitions. It is wrong to pass laws obviating this law; it is not permitted to abrogate any of it; it cannot be totally repealed. We cannot be released from this law by the senate or the people, and it needs no exegete or interpreter like Sextus Aelius. There will not be one law at Rome and another at Athens, one now and another later; but all nations at all times will be bound by this one eternal and unchangeable law, and God will be one common Master and General (so to speak) of all people. He is the Author, Expounder and Mover of this law; and the person who does not obey Him will be in exile from himself. Insofar as he scorns his nature as a human being, by this very fact he will pay the greatest penalty, even if he escapes all the other things that are generally recognized as punishments...." (Ref. "On the Commonwealth," in James E.G. Zetel, ed., Cambridge University Press, 1999; 71-72).
So fifty-five delegates from twelve states (Rhode Island declined to participate) traveled to Philadelphia to attend the Constitutional Convention, which began in May 1787. They quickly scrapped the existing Articles of Confederation, and after four long months they concluded their business by adopting a new frame of government. On September 17th, 39 delegates signed what we hold today, the Constitution of the United States of America. It was nine months before the requisite nine-states ratified this Constitution, putting it into effect. The 13th state ratified it in 1790, and subsequently it has been ratified twenty-seven times.
At this point, I would note that pastors and ministers were among the highest educated citizens in the American colonies, and often addressed politics from the pulpit. As a source of reference for my perspective here, I should like to write excerpts from Gad Hitchcock (1718-1803), which was delivered in the presence of General Thomas Gage, the British military governor of the Province of Massachusetts Bay. Basically it decries monarchical rule and celebrates the idea of the consent of the governed, appealing to reason as well as revelation: "....This form of government, in the opinion of subjects and strangers, is happily calculated for the preservation of the Bill of Rights and Liberties of mankind..." "In such a government, rulers have their distinct powers assigned to them by the PEOPLE, who are the ONLY SOURCE of civil authority on earth, with the view of having them exercised for the public advantage, and in proportion as worthy end of their investiture is kept in sight, and prosecuted, the bands of society are strengthened, and its interests promoted...." It goes on to say, "Rulers are under the most sacred ties to consult the good of society....." "For the promotion of this valuable end, they are ORDAINED OF GOD, and clothed with authority by men..."
So in an ideal society, (to my belief), in a state of nature men are equal, exactly on a par in regard to authority; each one is a law to himself, having the law of God, the sole rule of conduct, written on each man's heart. So I further believe that mental endowments, though excellent qualifications for rulers, should use those attributes in the advice, persuasion and to do good proportionate to the degrees of each, yet do not give any antecedent right to the exercise of authority without a moral obligation from the Supreme Author and Finisher.
So in contemplating your question, I could go much deeper into what to me would be far from utopian, but at least ideal in the sense that we must be governed and the rule of law exercised, by stating unequivocally, that America needs only to return to the Founding Father's ideals for a Christian nation and once again, take up the values and principles of the Constitution as set forth under the guidance and grace of Almighty God.
Today, I believe that Christ is standing outside of Washington D.C. knocking. His knocking is good news. We know that Christ is all powerful and can walk through any door so why does He not just enter into the hearts of every man?
The answer is in the Word of God...Fellowship cannot be forced. Communion cannot be commanded. Christ cannot have fellowship with us by breaking down the door. He seeks a deeper fellowship with us than we do with Him.
Let's put God back in the hearts and minds of Congress, the legislature, the Supreme Court, the state Capitals, and the city councils and schools. God Bess America (again)!
ON ITS surface, the question posited above could f... (show quote)

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Feb 7, 2018 19:04:49   #
AmChistPat651
 
Yes, I am a very strong believer in term limits and limited government all around. Why do we need over 4,000 regulations to run the same country that was run 240 years ago with barely over 100? I see today the military budget was recommended for a much improved budget. I pray it makes it through both sides of Congress but I m not very optimistic (yet). I do have one other question that might not be too popular but I for one am very interested in seeing the Fed audited. Wonder why that is not done whenever the President leaves office?

By the way...Semper Fi back atcha...Corpsman, 1st Mar. Div. 1st Eng. Bn. Vietnam 1967-1972!!

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Feb 7, 2018 19:42:00   #
goofball Loc: timbucktoo
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
I am a strict Constitutionalist and would like to see the Federal Government do only those things that are allowed in the Constitution. I would like to see greater action under the 10th amendment which would send education, for example as a duty of the state and not the Federal government. I would like to see the Bill of Rights put into action as intended by the founders and not liberal judges. These are just starters.


That's a start DITTOS,!

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Feb 7, 2018 19:43:43   #
goofball Loc: timbucktoo
 
2wheeljunkie wrote:
Many things will correct themselves if we can somehow get term limits in congress and get rid of the lobbyists. It's not a retirement home for Gods sake either. Why do the masses pander to the few. Am I the only one that feels like I have a 4" fence post shoved up my backside.


And Hit with a sledgehammer!

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Feb 7, 2018 19:47:44   #
goofball Loc: timbucktoo
 
maryjane wrote:
I want age limits on the SUPREMES. I want reasonable and specific ways to remove activist judges who issue rulings not limited to facts presented in the case, totally without political or other personal views, based only on the constitution. I want a Congress composed of honest , patriotic people with commonsense with limited terms. I want election financiers changed so thst it is possible for ordinary citizens to run for office. I want a government that NEVER, EVER, puts ANYTHING above the best interests of America and its citizens. I want all USA citizens rights and benefits limited to USA citizens. I want Congress changed so that every bill/proposal is a stand-alone, and voted on thst way; no more attaching one bill to another when they have no relevance to each other. I want all bills published to the public at least 60 days before any voting. I want all voting records published to the public immediately after every vote on any bill. I want many of the perks of Congress cut out. I want Congress working at least an 8 hour day M-F, 48 weeks annually. I want SS/Medicare removed from access by Congress and remove their ability to vote themselves pay raises or any other increase in perks. I want the department of education disbanded and returned to the states. Because so many members of Congress are totally incompetent in their jobs but get reelected over and over, I want to hear lots of discussion and study about returning to the original plan of each state's legislature selecting federal representatives for limited times. I want the whole lobbying mess made illegal. I want state government limited to things individuals cannot easily do for themselves. I want federal government limited to only things affecting the protection of the whole country, things states can not easily do for themselves. I want the federal welfare system phased out, letting each state/community take care of its own. I want the entire deportation mess changed, enforcing immediate deportation within 60 days of arrest, no lawyers/judges/court hearings except in few very special cases. Being in our country illegally is easily determined and should be quickly solved by deportation, the only logical solution to the crime. I want the birthright citizenship ENDED now, with the requirement of one citizen parent required. I want the refugee/asylee program revamped completely with the allowed reasons limited to an individual being extremely persecuted for religion or political views, ENDING their country being at war as a reason. I want the bringing foreigners INTO our nation as an aspect of "helping" ENDED; send help to them but DO NOT bring them here and this includes reasons of war/fighting as well as natural disasters as well as poverty, etc. I want every federal government agency's duties/responsibilities specifically spelled out and the same for each employee. I want the number of employees in every agency cut in half and all salaries and perks commiserate with those of workers in the private sector. Heads of agencies salary should never exceed that of Congress members. I can go on, but will stop here.
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You've got the nail I've got the hammer!

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Feb 7, 2018 19:48:21   #
goofball Loc: timbucktoo
 
Weasel wrote:
> I want to see President Trump stay in office for 7 more years, and then have President Pence serv 2 terms until 2032.<
I think that by that time all of the silliness will stop, and people will realize what it means to be Americans!


Bingo!

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Feb 7, 2018 20:09:37   #
Mike Easterday
 
Very limited federal government

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Feb 8, 2018 00:50:56   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
whitnebrat, I and many here on OPP have asked this very question numerous times ans have never ever to my recollection recieved an intelligent answer. So I say FOGETABATIT!!!!! You wont get an answer.
Semper Fi



whitnebrat wrote:
Would you all be so kind as to lay out the kind of government that you would like to see? Preferably without the invective and BS that pervades so much of the discussion here.
I'd like to hear what you would like government to do, and what it shouldn't do.
What programs would you like to see preserved or eliminated, and what new ones (if any) that you'd like to see put into effect.
How much power would you like the national government to have, and how much to the states, and how much kept to the individual?
How would you propose to pay for all of what you would like to see happen?

These are honest questions, and I'd like to see honest answers. There are so many of you out there that have set forth your opinions without backing them up and trashed other ideas, let's hear yours.

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Feb 8, 2018 11:32:47   #
vernon01
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Those clamoring for states be in charge of everything, are not thinking this through. Wild west gun laws in some states, no rights for women in other states, Christian sharia type laws where the husband is all powerful. We need federal overview of states.



Gun laws have been the purview of the states.The fed has for years to work there way into taking over gun laws and even you will admit it is a struggle.

as far as laws and women there are many states that don't have community property laws i e
Ala. law if the man and wife split The man gets everything.

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Feb 8, 2018 11:41:03   #
moldyoldy
 
vernon01 wrote:
Gun laws have been the purview of the states.The fed has for years to work there way into taking over gun laws and even you will admit it is a struggle.

as far as laws and women there are many states that don't have community property laws i e
Ala. law if the man and wife split The man gets everything.


Those are good examples of problems with state thinking. In Alabama you can marry your sister.

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