What do you want? Would you all be so kind as to lay out the kind of government that you would like to see? Preferably without the invective and BS that pervades so much of the...

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Would you all be so kind as to lay out the kind of government that you would like to see? Preferably without the invective and BS that pervades so much of the discussion here.
I'd like to hear what you would like government to do, and what it shouldn't do.
What programs would you like to see preserved or eliminated, and what new ones (if any) that you'd like to see put into effect.
How much power would you like the national government to have, and how much to the states, and how much kept to the individual?
How would you propose to pay for all of what you would like to see happen?

These are honest questions, and I'd like to see honest answers. There are so many of you out there that have set forth your opinions without backing them up and trashed other ideas, let's hear yours.

Waiting ...

Liberty Tree

whitnebrat wrote:

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I am a strict Constitutionalist and would like to see the Federal Government do only those things that are allowed in the Constitution. I would like to see greater action under the 10th amendment which would send education, for example as a duty of the state and not the Federal government. I would like to see the Bill of Rights put into action as intended by the founders and not liberal judges. These are just starters.

vernon

Liberty Tree wrote:

I am a strict Constitutionalist and would like to see the Federal Government do only those things that are allowed in the Constitution. I would like to see greater action under the 10th amendment which would send education, for example as a duty of the state and not the Federal government. I would like to see the Bill of Rights put into action as intended by the founders and not liberal judges. These are just starters.

That just about sums it up .All this is set out in the constitution and we have been lied to and had our liberties stolen from us by both parties

and it must be rectified.

Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face

Liberty Tree wrote:

I am a strict Constitutionalist and would like to see the Federal Government do only those things that are allowed in the Constitution. I would like to see greater action under the 10th amendment which would send education, for example as a duty of the state and not the Federal government. I would like to see the Bill of Rights put into action as intended by the founders and not liberal judges. These are just starters.

Many things will correct themselves if we can somehow get term limits in congress and get rid of the lobbyists. It's not a retirement home for Gods sake either. Why do the masses pander to the few. Am I the only one that feels like I have a 4" fence post shoved up my backside.

Liberty Tree

vernon wrote:

That just about sums it up .All this is set out in the constitution and we have been lied to and had our liberties stolen from us by both parties

and it must be rectified.

Here is just one example. What does hanging the 10 Commandments in a county court house have to do with Congress being prohibited from passing a law establishing a religion.?

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Liberty Tree wrote:

Here is just one example. What does hanging the 10 Commandments in a county court house have to do with Congress being prohibited from passing a law establishing a religion.?

While I cannot imagine how anyone would not see the relationship between the two, I will help you out.

The presence of any religious symbols, quotations and doctrines in any courthouse lends preferential authority to those symbols. It makes an association of the law and specific religions that anyone with any sense of understanding can see is prohibited by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

If the 10 Commandments can be there, then why not quotations from The Qur'an, or a statue of Buddha or Shiva?

It would perhaps be more appropriate to place a statue of Hammurabi, whose code was among the first to establish the presumption of innocence of the accused. But I do not see anyone clamoring for that.

Liberty Tree

2wheeljunkie wrote:

Many things will correct themselves if we can somehow get term limits in congress and get rid of the lobbyists. It's not a retirement home for Gods sake either. Why do the masses pander to the few. Am I the only one that feels like I have a 4" fence post shoved up my backside.

I agree with term limits, but I also know we will have to go around Congress to get it done.

Liberty Tree

PaulPisces wrote:

While I cannot imagine how anyone would not see th... (show quote)

The First Amendment governs actions by Congress but does not govern actions by states and localities. Just read it for what it says.

bahmer

Liberty Tree wrote:

I am a strict Constitutionalist and would like to see the Federal Government do only those things that are allowed in the Constitution. I would like to see greater action under the 10th amendment which would send education, for example as a duty of the state and not the Federal government. I would like to see the Bill of Rights put into action as intended by the founders and not liberal judges. These are just starters.

Amen and Amen

maryjane

I want age limits on the SUPREMES. I want reasonable and specific ways to remove activist judges who issue rulings not limited to facts presented in the case, totally without political or other personal views, based only on the constitution. I want a Congress composed of honest , patriotic people with commonsense with limited terms. I want election financiers changed so thst it is possible for ordinary citizens to run for office. I want a government that NEVER, EVER, puts ANYTHING above the best interests of America and its citizens. I want all USA citizens rights and benefits limited to USA citizens. I want Congress changed so that every bill/proposal is a stand-alone, and voted on thst way; no more attaching one bill to another when they have no relevance to each other. I want all bills published to the public at least 60 days before any voting. I want all voting records published to the public immediately after every vote on any bill. I want many of the perks of Congress cut out. I want Congress working at least an 8 hour day M-F, 48 weeks annually. I want SS/Medicare removed from access by Congress and remove their ability to vote themselves pay raises or any other increase in perks. I want the department of education disbanded and returned to the states. Because so many members of Congress are totally incompetent in their jobs but get reelected over and over, I want to hear lots of discussion and study about returning to the original plan of each state's legislature selecting federal representatives for limited times. I want the whole lobbying mess made illegal. I want state government limited to things individuals cannot easily do for themselves. I want federal government limited to only things affecting the protection of the whole country, things states can not easily do for themselves. I want the federal welfare system phased out, letting each state/community take care of its own. I want the entire deportation mess changed, enforcing immediate deportation within 60 days of arrest, no lawyers/judges/court hearings except in few very special cases. Being in our country illegally is easily determined and should be quickly solved by deportation, the only logical solution to the crime. I want the birthright citizenship ENDED now, with the requirement of one citizen parent required. I want the refugee/asylee program revamped completely with the allowed reasons limited to an individual being extremely persecuted for religion or political views, ENDING their country being at war as a reason. I want the bringing foreigners INTO our nation as an aspect of "helping" ENDED; send help to them but DO NOT bring them here and this includes reasons of war/fighting as well as natural disasters as well as poverty, etc. I want every federal government agency's duties/responsibilities specifically spelled out and the same for each employee. I want the number of employees in every agency cut in half and all salaries and perks commiserate with those of workers in the private sector. Heads of agencies salary should never exceed that of Congress members. I can go on, but will stop here.

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

maryjane wrote:

I want age limits on the SUPREMES. I want reasonable and specific ways to remove activist judges who issue rulings not limited to facts presented in the case, totally without political or other personal views, based only on the constitution. I want a Congress composed of honest , patriotic people with commonsense with limited terms. I want election financiers changed so thst it is possible for ordinary citizens to run for office. I want a government that NEVER, EVER, puts ANYTHING above the best interests of America and its citizens. I want all USA citizens rights and benefits limited to USA citizens. I want Congress changed so that every bill/proposal is a stand-alone, and voted on thst way; no more attaching one bill to another when they have no relevance to each other. I want all bills published to the public at least 60 days before any voting. I want all voting records published to the public immediately after every vote on any bill. I want many of the perks of Congress cut out. I want Congress working at least an 8 hour day M-F, 48 weeks annually. I want SS/Medicare removed from access by Congress and remove their ability to vote themselves pay raises or any other increase in perks. I want the department of education disbanded and returned to the states. Because so many members of Congress are totally incompetent in their jobs but get reelected over and over, I want to hear lots of discussion and study about returning to the original plan of each state's legislature selecting federal representatives for limited times. I want the whole lobbying mess made illegal. I want state government limited to things individuals cannot easily do for themselves. I want federal government limited to only things affecting the protection of the whole country, things states can not easily do for themselves. I want the federal welfare system phased out, letting each state/community take care of its own. I want the entire deportation mess changed, enforcing immediate deportation within 60 days of arrest, no lawyers/judges/court hearings except in few very special cases. Being in our country illegally is easily determined and should be quickly solved by deportation, the only logical solution to the crime. I want the birthright citizenship ENDED now, with the requirement of one citizen parent required. I want the refugee/asylee program revamped completely with the allowed reasons limited to an individual being extremely persecuted for religion or political views, ENDING their country being at war as a reason. I want the bringing foreigners INTO our nation as an aspect of "helping" ENDED; send help to them but DO NOT bring them here and this includes reasons of war/fighting as well as natural disasters as well as poverty, etc. I want every federal government agency's duties/responsibilities specifically spelled out and the same for each employee. I want the number of employees in every agency cut in half and all salaries and perks commiserate with those of workers in the private sector. Heads of agencies salary should never exceed that of Congress members. I can go on, but will stop here.

I want age limits on the SUPREMES. I want reasona... (show quote)

> I want to see President Trump stay in office for 7 more years, and then have President Pence serv 2 terms until 2032.<
I think that by that time all of the silliness will stop, and people will realize what it means to be Americans!

Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face

maryjane wrote:

I want age limits on the SUPREMES. I want reasonable and specific ways to remove activist judges who issue rulings not limited to facts presented in the case, totally without political or other personal views, based only on the constitution. I want a Congress composed of honest , patriotic people with commonsense with limited terms. I want election financiers changed so thst it is possible for ordinary citizens to run for office. I want a government that NEVER, EVER, puts ANYTHING above the best interests of America and its citizens. I want all USA citizens rights and benefits limited to USA citizens. I want Congress changed so that every bill/proposal is a stand-alone, and voted on thst way; no more attaching one bill to another when they have no relevance to each other. I want all bills published to the public at least 60 days before any voting. I want all voting records published to the public immediately after every vote on any bill. I want many of the perks of Congress cut out. I want Congress working at least an 8 hour day M-F, 48 weeks annually. I want SS/Medicare removed from access by Congress and remove their ability to vote themselves pay raises or any other increase in perks. I want the department of education disbanded and returned to the states. Because so many members of Congress are totally incompetent in their jobs but get reelected over and over, I want to hear lots of discussion and study about returning to the original plan of each state's legislature selecting federal representatives for limited times. I want the whole lobbying mess made illegal. I want state government limited to things individuals cannot easily do for themselves. I want federal government limited to only things affecting the protection of the whole country, things states can not easily do for themselves. I want the federal welfare system phased out, letting each state/community take care of its own. I want the entire deportation mess changed, enforcing immediate deportation within 60 days of arrest, no lawyers/judges/court hearings except in few very special cases. Being in our country illegally is easily determined and should be quickly solved by deportation, the only logical solution to the crime. I want the birthright citizenship ENDED now, with the requirement of one citizen parent required. I want the refugee/asylee program revamped completely with the allowed reasons limited to an individual being extremely persecuted for religion or political views, ENDING their country being at war as a reason. I want the bringing foreigners INTO our nation as an aspect of "helping" ENDED; send help to them but DO NOT bring them here and this includes reasons of war/fighting as well as natural disasters as well as poverty, etc. I want every federal government agency's duties/responsibilities specifically spelled out and the same for each employee. I want the number of employees in every agency cut in half and all salaries and perks commiserate with those of workers in the private sector. Heads of agencies salary should never exceed that of Congress members. I can go on, but will stop here.

I want age limits on the SUPREMES. I want reasona... (show quote)

That just about covers it girl...Bravo

vernon

PaulPisces wrote:

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You sound like a statue burner.but should we tear down the supreme court building just to please a bunch of crying atheist.

Lonewolf

2wheeljunkie wrote:

Many things will correct themselves if we can somehow get term limits in congress and get rid of the lobbyists. It's not a retirement home for Gods sake either. Why do the masses pander to the few. Am I the only one that feels like I have a 4" fence post shoved up my backside.

Lonewolf

good luck with that

maryjane wrote:

I want age limits on the SUPREMES. I want reasonable and specific ways to remove activist judges who issue rulings not limited to facts presented in the case, totally without political or other personal views, based only on the constitution. I want a Congress composed of honest , patriotic people with commonsense with limited terms. I want election financiers changed so thst it is possible for ordinary citizens to run for office. I want a government that NEVER, EVER, puts ANYTHING above the best interests of America and its citizens. I want all USA citizens rights and benefits limited to USA citizens. I want Congress changed so that every bill/proposal is a stand-alone, and voted on thst way; no more attaching one bill to another when they have no relevance to each other. I want all bills published to the public at least 60 days before any voting. I want all voting records published to the public immediately after every vote on any bill. I want many of the perks of Congress cut out. I want Congress working at least an 8 hour day M-F, 48 weeks annually. I want SS/Medicare removed from access by Congress and remove their ability to vote themselves pay raises or any other increase in perks. I want the department of education disbanded and returned to the states. Because so many members of Congress are totally incompetent in their jobs but get reelected over and over, I want to hear lots of discussion and study about returning to the original plan of each state's legislature selecting federal representatives for limited times. I want the whole lobbying mess made illegal. I want state government limited to things individuals cannot easily do for themselves. I want federal government limited to only things affecting the protection of the whole country, things states can not easily do for themselves. I want the federal welfare system phased out, letting each state/community take care of its own. I want the entire deportation mess changed, enforcing immediate deportation within 60 days of arrest, no lawyers/judges/court hearings except in few very special cases. Being in our country illegally is easily determined and should be quickly solved by deportation, the only logical solution to the crime. I want the birthright citizenship ENDED now, with the requirement of one citizen parent required. I want the refugee/asylee program revamped completely with the allowed reasons limited to an individual being extremely persecuted for religion or political views, ENDING their country being at war as a reason. I want the bringing foreigners INTO our nation as an aspect of "helping" ENDED; send help to them but DO NOT bring them here and this includes reasons of war/fighting as well as natural disasters as well as poverty, etc. I want every federal government agency's duties/responsibilities specifically spelled out and the same for each employee. I want the number of employees in every agency cut in half and all salaries and perks commiserate with those of workers in the private sector. Heads of agencies salary should never exceed that of Congress members. I can go on, but will stop here.

I want age limits on the SUPREMES. I want reasona... (show quote)