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Jan 7, 2018 23:37:10   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Do you agree that there is a different mind set between Rothschild, Trump, Soros, Turner, Gates. That ones with a CFR Tri-Lateral mind set are different from the ones that do not???


PeterS wrote:
Oh come now, do you really think one set of billionaires any different than another! Tell you what, you give up your billionaires and I'll give up mine...

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Jan 8, 2018 00:37:48   #
PeterS
 
lindajoy wrote:
Oh Peter, cut it out, you’ve read enough of my posts to know I always say it is the big money that runs our supposed government..

Yes, I did vote in a billionaire, one who is not a politician and doesn’t take shi** from any of them regardless of what party they profess to be.. took down 16 politicians and made them have to take a position on issues.. Even got a couple riled enough to speak their piece too.. I liked that very much..

He doesn’t need the money, he ran over 500 companies and with the exception of a few chapter 11s not 7s, I might add all have been successful... Because of his international trade he did have knowledge on what was needed and sure made it clear these countries that have been robbing us blind in tariff trade was coming to an end.. Yup, I voted for him and will again 2020 if he elects to run..


Did you by chance read this article??

Well, the first year jobs report card is in for the Trump administration—and it’s pretty solid. There’s now enough data to compare President Trump to his predecessors on jobs growth and it’s pretty solid. Even The Washington Post wrote that President Trump, who had the best jobs creating year since Bill Clinton, earned high marks with 1.8 million new jobs created. For December, nonfarm payroll jobs rose by 148,000, while private sector employment rose by 250,000; the latter boosted the Dow Jones to close above 25,000 for the first time yesterday.

Now, while The Post gives Trump good marks, they added the recession that hit Obama at the outset of his term made his numbers worse regarding the comparison. Still, the publication admits that for year one, Trump outperformed Obama:

On Friday morning, the government’s Bureau of Labor Statistics released employment numbers for December, bookending President Trump’s first year in office. While the number of jobs added was lower than many analysts expected — up 148,000 — it was a continuation of the trend of growth seen over the course of 2017.

With those numbers in hand, we can now compare Trump’s first year in office to his predecessors’. And in that comparison, Trump comes out looking pretty good.

[…]

Trump’s immediate predecessor, Barack Obama, saw a surge in the unemployment rate during his first year, a function of the effects of the recession that was just beginning to wind down. Relative to Obama’s first year in office, Trump’s was consistently very good.

For example, in the number of jobs created or lost over the year: Under Trump, there were 1.8 million more people working in December than in January. Under Obama, 4.3 million fewer.

[…]

But we’re comparing first years here, and on that metric Trump consistently outperforms Obama. <snip> more to read should you wish..

https://www.infowars.com/wapo-admits-trumps-first-year-job-numbers-very-very-good/

Billionaires favoring one or the other is exactly why we are where we aren’t anymore.. Their cry for control outweighs any benefit for our country.. But since they are the shakers and the movers which side they support can not be dismissed, Peter..
Oh Peter, cut it out, you’ve read enough of my pos... (show quote)

Linda no billionaire needs money but that's no reason to vote them into office. As for comparing first years Obama came in in the second year of the deepest recession since the great depression. Are you really going to sit there and compare Trumps first year to Obama's? If you want to make a comparison then do Trumps first year to Obama's last year. There you'll find that Obama's jobs numbers were better than Trumps and all without all the hype.

And I have to ask, where are you pulling your numbers from? Below are the jobs numbers 2009 thru 2017

2009...-5068
2010....1061
2011....2091
2012....2142
2013....2302
2014....2998
2015....2713
2016....2240
2017....2064

2017 was under everything but 09 and 10 so how could 2017 better than anything since Clinton? Hell, Trump couldn't even beat 2016. And what prey tell is nonfarm payroll vs private sector employment? BLS only issues one number for jobs growth and that's non farm payroll so private sector employment is non farm payroll so the two have to have the same number.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

And you aren't telling me how your billionaires any different than mine. If Trump wasn't in it for financial gain then he would have separated himself from his businesses. He didn't, which sits up a potential conflict of interest with foreign government giving his hotels preferential treatment--which they have. And something you haven't considered is that Trump’s billionaires are not government-hating ideologues like the Koch brothers or mega-donor Robert Mercer. They are more like what Trump used to be—unaffiliated centrists. And their agenda—and now the country’s agenda—is defined by those matters that affect their wallets.

snip>>Most of the billionaires Trump has lured to D.C. are, like him, members of the 1980s generation of leveraged-buyout tacticians, junk bond kings, corporate raiders and vulture capitalists. They got rich off of emerging financial tactics crafted to take advantage of Ronald Reagan’s great gift to Wall Street—ripping up the regulations put in place after the Great Depression. Trump adviser and corporate raider Carl Icahn (net worth $16.6 billion) is said to have been a model for Michael Douglas’s “Greed is good” character in Wall Street. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross ($2.5 billion), policy adviser Stephen Schwarzman ($11.8 billion) and unofficial intel adviser Stephen Feinberg ($1.2 billion) all made their fortunes in the kind of investment banking that came into vogue after Wall Street decreed that social responsibility and business—the Jimmy Stewart banker model—were antithetical.

The New York real estate developers now advising the president—Steven Roth (net worth $1.1 billion) and Richard LeFrak ($6.5 billion)—spent their professional lives (as did Trump) in a mosh pit with politicians, city regulators, 50-story crane operators, cement mobsters and the motley crew of characters, unsavory and otherwise, responsible for the New York skyline and the surrounding area’s malls, golf courses and housing developments.

Whether they earned their money in investment banking or New Jersey strip malls and high rises, Trump’s billionaires have much in common with the rest of the New York’s 1 percent. They don’t pay much in taxes, and most don’t think they should pay much more. They loathe government regulations, and they are ferociously competitive. “They all know each other. They finance each other. And they all compete with one another,” says Holly Peterson, journalist, author of It Happens in the Hamptons and daughter of Peter Peterson, one of the New York billionaires who is not in Trump’s camp. “They sniff each other like dogs.”

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Jan 8, 2018 00:39:28   #
PeterS
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Do you agree that there is a different mind set between Rothschild, Trump, Soros, Turner, Gates. That ones with a CFR Tri-Lateral mind set are different from the ones that do not???

And how would I know what their mindsets are? The only one who has a public persona is Trump so he's the only one I can judge.

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Jan 8, 2018 00:43:06   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh come now, do you really think one set of billionaires any different than another! Tell you what, you give up your billionaires and I'll give up mine...


Would that change anything??

The only way that would work is if we all gave up billionaires and let them have to do their deeds facing each other, on their own, with last one standing the low man on the toady pole.... ..

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Jan 8, 2018 00:43:10   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Bullshit Just look it up. they are all over with their opinions. I know, all of the reporters know. what is your problem??? They addvertise what it is. Mark Cuban is not reticent, as an example.

PeterS wrote:
And how would I know what their mindsets are? The only one who has a public persona is Trump so he's the only one I can judge.

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Jan 8, 2018 00:52:04   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
PeterS wrote:
Linda no billionaire needs money but that's no reason to vote them into office. As for comparing first years Obama came in in the second year of the deepest recession since the great depression. Are you really going to sit there and compare Trumps first year to Obama's? If you want to make a comparison then do Trumps first year to Obama's last year. There you'll find that Obama's jobs numbers were better than Trumps and all without all the hype.

And I have to ask, where are you pulling your numbers from? Below are the jobs numbers 2009 thru 2017

2009...-5068
2010....1061
2011....2091
2012....2142
2013....2302
2014....2998
2015....2713
2016....2240
2017....2064

2017 was under everything but 09 and 10 so how could 2017 better than anything since Clinton? Hell, Trump couldn't even beat 2016. And what prey tell is nonfarm payroll vs private sector employment? BLS only issues one number for jobs growth and that's non farm payroll so private sector employment is non farm payroll so the two have to have the same number.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

And you aren't telling me how your billionaires any different than mine. If Trump wasn't in it for financial gain then he would have separated himself from his businesses. He didn't, which sits up a potential conflict of interest with foreign government giving his hotels preferential treatment--which they have. And something you haven't considered is that Trump’s billionaires are not government-hating ideologues like the Koch brothers or mega-donor Robert Mercer. They are more like what Trump used to be—unaffiliated centrists. And their agenda—and now the country’s agenda—is defined by those matters that affect their wallets.

snip>>Most of the billionaires Trump has lured to D.C. are, like him, members of the 1980s generation of leveraged-buyout tacticians, junk bond kings, corporate raiders and vulture capitalists. They got rich off of emerging financial tactics crafted to take advantage of Ronald Reagan’s great gift to Wall Street—ripping up the regulations put in place after the Great Depression. Trump adviser and corporate raider Carl Icahn (net worth $16.6 billion) is said to have been a model for Michael Douglas’s “Greed is good” character in Wall Street. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross ($2.5 billion), policy adviser Stephen Schwarzman ($11.8 billion) and unofficial intel adviser Stephen Feinberg ($1.2 billion) all made their fortunes in the kind of investment banking that came into vogue after Wall Street decreed that social responsibility and business—the Jimmy Stewart banker model—were antithetical.

The New York real estate developers now advising the president—Steven Roth (net worth $1.1 billion) and Richard LeFrak ($6.5 billion)—spent their professional lives (as did Trump) in a mosh pit with politicians, city regulators, 50-story crane operators, cement mobsters and the motley crew of characters, unsavory and otherwise, responsible for the New York skyline and the surrounding area’s malls, golf courses and housing developments.

Whether they earned their money in investment banking or New Jersey strip malls and high rises, Trump’s billionaires have much in common with the rest of the New York’s 1 percent. They don’t pay much in taxes, and most don’t think they should pay much more. They loathe government regulations, and they are ferociously competitive. “They all know each other. They finance each other. And they all compete with one another,” says Holly Peterson, journalist, author of It Happens in the Hamptons and daughter of Peter Peterson, one of the New York billionaires who is not in Trump’s camp. “They sniff each other like dogs.”
Linda no billionaire needs money but that's no rea... (show quote)


You always enlighten and amuse me, Peter.. Must be why I luvs ya as I do...

Somewhere in all of this article lyes the lies of a
Person paid handsomely to distort things and make money off books they are trying to sell... Those bad people trying to make millions off the billionaires they embellish.....How dare they....

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Jan 8, 2018 01:34:12   #
PeterS
 
lindajoy wrote:
Would that change anything??

The only way that would work is if we all gave up billionaires and let them have to do their deeds facing each other, on their own, with last one standing the low man on the toady pole.... ..

Well we start by getting rid of citizens united. Then we clamp down on lobbying. Then we restrict how much each person can donate and if your business donates X amount that means you don't get to do the same. We've structured our government to cater to the wealthy--actually seeking out the wealthy and encouraging them to run. So now we are unhappy with the way things have turned out? Well whose to blame for that...

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Jan 8, 2018 02:08:23   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
lindajoy wrote:
No dear YOU brought up supercomputers trying to belittle the poster, not me.. I can go back and copy it for you if you have forgotten what you said but I don’t think that is necessary, you are just evading the answer you too know.. That’s ok the point is made in your reply.. Thank You for that, you have earned a 🌟..

So I’ll now ask for a forth time when working with that computer to develop the supermodel you spoke of how is that hypothetical conclusion drawn????? It’s a very simple question you should know...
No dear YOU brought up supercomputers trying to b... (show quote)


Be nice to Sheriff Joe he bruises easily.

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Jan 8, 2018 02:21:54   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
PeterS wrote:
Well we start by getting rid of citizens united. Then we clamp down on lobbying. Then we restrict how much each person can donate and if your business donates X amount that means you don't get to do the same. We've structured our government to cater to the wealthy--actually seeking out the wealthy and encouraging them to run. So now we are unhappy with the way things have turned out? Well whose to blame for that...


We are to blame to some degree, no doubt.. We don’t properly vet and we’re too naive in believing these liars that promise everything and once” in” don’t do a damn thing..Then rather than calling them out, demanding ousting or recall or resignations we wait until the next election to do anything.. We get what we allow and we have allowed far too much..
As for the rest of your suggestions I agree!! No lobbying, I’ll add term limits and do not tell me we have that with our vote.. I mean serious term limits that mean after x amount of time they are done!!

All contributions declared and if they do not then they default to losing for cheating and permanently barred from ever running for any federal office position again..

So now that we have the starting of a wish list how get it done?? Therein lies the real hurdle isn’t it.... we talk big and do little by putting it together like moving forcan Article V on term limits and contributions and lobbying.. All inclusive but heyyy that’s just not going to happen and I say why the hell not??

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Jan 8, 2018 02:26:00   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Hemiman wrote:
Be nice to Sheriff Joe he bruises easily.


Do I have to??? Lololl too cute, Hemi~~good evening to you this fine evening....

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Jan 8, 2018 02:49:34   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
arapaho wrote:
Once again "supermodel" is what YOU said. I have no idea what you meant then or now. You don't either! It is just part of your incoherent word salad of useless verbiage.


I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public once again.....

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Jan 8, 2018 03:09:19   #
arapaho Loc: America
 
lindajoy wrote:
I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public once again.....

So sorry that I can't read your mind. You used that term and have been asked multiple times what you meant by it. No answer.

Who does that humiliate???

You still claim I used that word, but the only quote that can be found is when I ask you what you meant.

I certainly know of nothing called a "supermodel". It is just something you manufactured because you were unable to comprehend what you were reading (about modeling weather and/or climate with a supercomputer).

A lapse of cognition on your part. Only humiliating because you won't even look to see if it really was your doing. That lack of care really should humiliate you!

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Jan 8, 2018 10:07:00   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
You twist and skewer your diatribe to obfuscate. The % of educated people was much lower pre 1956. GI Bill. Then we needed to earn a living in a one earner family. If you can't vote you can't donate. Simple. Politics is a rich persons area of endeavor. Or a career politician that moves up, with his corruption. Now how does that equate to blaming we the people?? The law is in place!!! Constitution and civics will be taught for 5 years in Oregon starting no later than 8th grade. The corporate governance ignores governing law. Is that our fault also.

No person being a member of an organization that espouses the overthrow of our Constitutional republic may be elected or appointed here in Oregon. The governor Kate brown appointed a muslim #2 in education. Will not abide by governing law.


PeterS wrote:
Well we start by getting rid of citizens united. Then we clamp down on lobbying. Then we restrict how much each person can donate and if your business donates X amount that means you don't get to do the same. We've structured our government to cater to the wealthy--actually seeking out the wealthy and encouraging them to run. So now we are unhappy with the way things have turned out? Well whose to blame for that...

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Jan 8, 2018 10:27:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
arapaho wrote:
So sorry that I can't read your mind. You used that term and have been asked multiple times what you meant by it. No answer.

Who does that humiliate???

You still claim I used that word, but the only quote that can be found is when I ask you what you meant.

I certainly know of nothing called a "supermodel". It is just something you manufactured because you were unable to comprehend what you were reading (about modeling weather and/or climate with a supercomputer).

A lapse of cognition on your part. Only humiliating because you won't even look to see if it really was your doing. That lack of care really should humiliate you!
So sorry that I can't read your mind. You used th... (show quote)


Read carefully, supercomputer equals supermodel analysts..

I never brought it up you did. And you know it..
Now go away, your boring..You go look back at who said it, I don’t have to lol I know I didn’t..

And your inability to answer your direction of using one is assisine to say the least...

But you have a good day anyway..like I said our posts define... I m happy with that fact. You just deflect and say nothing nor is any of your opinion supported, which means your just trolling for words... Lololol ....

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Jan 8, 2018 11:12:41   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
lindajoy wrote:
Read carefully, supercomputer equals supermodel analysts..

I never brought it up you did. And you know it..
Now go away, your boring..You go look back at who said it, I don’t have to lol I know I didn’t..

And your inability to answer your direction of using one is assisine to say the least...

But you have a good day anyway..like I said our posts define... I m happy with that fact. You just deflect and say nothing nor is any of your opinion supported, which means your just trolling for words... Lololol ....
Read carefully, supercomputer equals supermodel an... (show quote)


I still think arapaho has a connection with Pocahontas.
It's an Indian thingy.

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