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Jan 7, 2018 09:17:23   #
Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico
 
lindajoy wrote:
Yes, of course..

Honolulu welcome this morning.. Became a double rainbow~~~

Will probably need to explain how formed too..

Have a great day!!!

Going to see Pearl Harbor again.. Talk about reality!! Whewww

Hawaii Grand Canyon.. now Mother Nature sure knows what she is doing... Unlike these climate fear mongers~~

When in doubt just step outside~~~
Yes, of course.. br br Honolulu welcome this morn... (show quote)


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WOWWWWWW!!!! Been there,would love to go back with friends!

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Jan 7, 2018 09:20:34   #
Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico
 
lindajoy wrote:
Sending sunshine your way.. I’ve seen the weather there all week long.. Time for it to move out!!!!


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So glad you are up and about. Yesterday morn' was 29, today it's 54.............................You got to love Mother Nature!!!!

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Jan 7, 2018 09:23:01   #
Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico
 
Nickolai wrote:
California is on track to be free from fossil fuel by 2050


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And their paying citizens by 2020

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Jan 7, 2018 11:53:35   #
S. Maturin
 
lindajoy wrote:
So very true, S..

I’ve had any number of discussions with native Hawaiians here and others about their energy, what fuels it etc and they are very aware of what keeps their Islands lush and attractive for their tourism trade that sustains them...

Tried and true is their abundant water source some Islands more water from the rain forests as well as growing trees for 10 years to cut down and burn for energy as well.. They do use solar but not as much as they were going to use, saying it’s too unpredictable given their fluctuating rains and big storms that serve their use much more..

Political agenda it is no doubt~~

Islands in the Pacific Ocean are some of the most practical places to install solar panels... So they say..Since there’s no natural gas pipeline or rail line to haul in coal, islands like Kauai in Hawaii have traditionally generated electricity by shipping in many barrels of diesel fuel and their own resources as discussed..

I was told there is a company that claims they can harness energy in storage so the peak moments or night fall of the Islands can correct their problems with solar and it is being Implemented on Kauai.. Like all renewables they are still developing but when it comes right down to it air, water and wood carries the Islands..
BTW~ They will be using batteries” to do this with too.. Batteries of what size?? That do what??
So very true, S.. br br I’ve had any number of di... (show quote)


With all that vulcanism, I wonder why there seems little attention to those on those islands developing geothermal? Iceland has managed well and, speaking of wells, here in -25 deg (last night) weather, my home was/is heated by hydrothermal.

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Jan 7, 2018 12:20:44   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
archie bunker wrote:
Are you a scientist? If so, what field is your Doctorate in?


Doctorate of BS...

Good Morning, arch...

Check out the rainbow over the mountains.. I’ve seen 5 rainbows in one day, all spectacular..

Good thing a rainbow is refraction ~ the "bending" of light. Light bends ~ or more accurately, changes directions~ when it travels from one medium to another... So far as I know all this CO2 we’re always blaming for everything hasn’t impacted the purity of our rainbows...

Enlarge the picture to get its full effect.. only thing is I’ve not seen the wee little world at the end of them..

This was at Pearl Harbor...



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Jan 7, 2018 12:30:44   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Climate change as in el Nino and la Nina; only global as we are all together on our spaceship. Glaciers are disappearing so it must be warmer where they are.

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Jan 7, 2018 12:41:03   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Climate change as in el Nino and la Nina; only global as we are all together on our spaceship. Glaciers are disappearing so it must be warmer where they are.


And yet depending on the findings it could be that the glaciers are redistributing and gaining ice...
Many balked at the NASA findings in this article..

Most research shows the melt rate is so high that the continent is indeed losing ice. But in 2015, a group of NASA scientists published a controversial study that found Antarctica was instead gaining ice. The NASA team combined space- and land-based measurements and found so much snow dropping in East Antarctica that even with drastic melting elsewhere, the continent was adding some 80 billion tons of ice annually.

It contradicted prominent previous findings — including reports from the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The result drew global headlines and excited climate change skeptics. That’s despite warnings from the study’s lead author, NASA Goddard’s chief cryospheric scientist Jay Zwally, who predicted that melting would outpace increased snowfall in a decade or two... what do we believe you ask???

In West Antarctica, you’re looking at bigger changes over a small area,” Zwally says. “And in East Antarctica, you’re looking at smaller changes over a much bigger area.”

Zwally, himself a veteran glaciologist, says the differences stem from how teams treat the density of the ice sheet, which is thousands of feet thick, as well as how the teams analyze the slow movement of bedrock under the ice. According to Zwally, on-the-ground studies have shown that Antarctica has seen unusually heavy snowfall over the last 10,000 years. That weight burdens the ice sheet and gradually makes the ground beneath it sink. These changes have to be accounted for, he says.

“It’s a debate over the methodology, and their methodology is primitive,” Zwally says. “It’s what we were doing 15 years ago, but we’ve advanced beyond that state. We no longer have to guess at that density.”

Methodology equates to programmed data used to achieve the result needed, yes?? So who knows, right?? Why, Mother Nature of course and the cyclic changes she administers as needed...

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Jan 7, 2018 12:59:36   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
S. Maturin wrote:
With all that vulcanism, I wonder why there seems little attention to those on those islands developing geothermal? Iceland has managed well and, speaking of wells, here in -25 deg (last night) weather, my home was/is heated by hydrothermal.


A very good question, S... Perhaps it’s the Fluids drawn from the deep earth that carry a mixture of gases, notably carbon dioxide (CO
2, hydrogen sulfide, methane, ammonia etc???? I mean don’t the pollutants contribute to global warming, acid rain, radiation and noxious smells if released??? I don’t know enough about this one but do remember reading the levels released aren’t near as lethal to other forms of energy such as coal...

I didn’t know Iceland used it but it must be good then given their climate..

Your home is heated with hydrothermal means?? Now that’s interesting!! Mind sharing with me how?? Is it efficient and why aren’t more homes done the same way??
Heated water is also all over in the earth and I’m wondering how expensive it is and if it creates any danger taping into it?? Like I said I don’t know enough of how it works..
-25 last night?? Holy smokes!!! Have you defrosted yet???

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Jan 7, 2018 13:15:12   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
arapaho wrote:
You are quoting things totally out of context, and being very dishonst!

Very few parts of Alaska get anything like 75 inches of snow per year. Probably no place at all north of the Alaska Range. That is more than half the land mass in Alaska!

The quote about no days in Fairbanks above 50 degrees is meaningless. It was made in early May of 2013, and covers only the winter months from October 2012 through April 2013. In most years Fairbanks does not get up to even 40 degrees during those months.

Of course Fairbanks will see -40 during those months, and it hits 90F or warmer in two or three months between June and September.
You are quoting things totally out of context, and... (show quote)


The quote is factual and shows any given year the temps fluctuate.. There is nothing disengenuos in my assertion at all.. I said temperatures fluctuate between any given year and they do~ If they don’t please feel free to show some proof they don’t but I’ll tell you again they do and you can not discredit that fact..

You are being dishonest in your assertions, Sir!!

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Jan 7, 2018 13:19:06   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
arapaho wrote:
Yep, too complex for you to even read about it!

What "supermodel" are you imagining?

The experiment is to see if the model is accurate.


And it is only going to give You what was programmed into it to come to the hypothetical summation, right?? Just answer that question ..

What supermodel I am imaging is irrelevant to my statement..Get to the Crux of your claim.. it only produces based on what it’s fed..

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Jan 7, 2018 13:49:09   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
arapaho wrote:
Stop spouting total nonsense. Get at least a grade school education or don't do anything except listen. This kind of idiocy is pathetic.

Weather changes daily. Climate does not. Confusing the two means that not one word you wrote has any significance.


Arapaho, perhaps you need some education, or no, a lot of education.. both on topic and proper forum etiquette.. Your personal Attack is without merit and being rude only makes you out the ass you are..if you can’t converse politely perhaps you shouldn’t converse at all ..
The fact we differ in opinion is just that and being Belligerent in the process of debate serves no purpose but making you out the fool..

Climate is what?? Weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period... Winter, summer, fall and springs are all climate l changes...

Weather establishes climate changes, elementary isn’t it??

First it was Global warming, then Climate control, then climate change and now it’s called weather extremes...

Within scientific journals, this is still how the two terms are used....Global warming refers to surface temperature increases, while climate change includes global warming and everything else that increasing greenhouse gas amounts will affect... Imagine that climate change encompasses, son of a gun~~who’Da thought it???

During the late 1980s one more term entered the lexicon, “global change.” This term encompassed many other kinds of change in addition to climate change... utohhhh another all encompassing fact..😳

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Jan 7, 2018 13:55:37   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
the ones with the equipment control the weather. as with most things; those controlling are frequently inept. Just saying, where the ice was this thick it is now a great deal less. where is was a certain climate it is now different. As the poles wobble and correct rotational spin the gyroscope earth reacts to the input.

lindajoy wrote:
Arapaho, perhaps you need some education, or no, a lot of education.. both on topic and proper forum etiquette.. Your personal Attack is without merit and being rude only makes you out the ass you are..if you can’t converse politely perhaps you shouldn’t converse at all ..
The fact we differ in opinion is just that and being Belligerent in the process of debate serves no purpose but making you out the fool..

Climate is what?? Weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period... Winter, summer, fall and springs are all climate l changes...

Weather establishes climate changes, elementary isn’t it??

First it was Global warming, then Climate control, then climate change and now it’s called weather extremes...

Within scientific journals, this is still how the two terms are used....Global warming refers to surface temperature increases, while climate change includes global warming and everything else that increasing greenhouse gas amounts will affect... Imagine that climate change encompasses, son of a gun~~who’Da thought it???

During the late 1980s one more term entered the lexicon, “global change.” This term encompassed many other kinds of change in addition to climate change... utohhhh another all encompassing fact..😳
Arapaho, perhaps you need some education, or no, a... (show quote)

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Jan 7, 2018 13:57:05   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Hope you are enjoying yourself. Have a great rest of your vacation, and thanks for sharing.
And your final sentence is a truth that applies all over God's great earth-just step outside-and marvel


Good Day to you, Rick.. Yes, the trip spectacular, paradise it truly is, living it makes you acutely aware of just how special living and enjoying the beauty around us truly is...

Such a shame we get caught up in choosing the negative over all the wonders of such magnificence around us.. This trip a good reminder of that specifically...

Gods great Earth is an invitation to marvel, period...

I hope you have a spectacular day as well and “ marvel” at life and love always...

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Jan 7, 2018 13:57:38   #
S. Maturin
 
ron vrooman wrote:
the ones with the equipment control the weather. as with most things; those controlling are frequently inept. Just saying, where the ice was this thick it is now a great deal less. where is was a certain climate it is now different. As the poles wobble and correct rotational spin the gyroscope earth reacts to the input.


An alien abductee responds....

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Jan 7, 2018 13:58:13   #
arapaho Loc: America
 
lindajoy wrote:
The quote is factual and shows any given year the temps fluctuate.. There is nothing disengenuos in my assertion at all.. I said temperatures fluctuate between any given year and they do~ If they don’t please feel free to show some proof they don’t but I’ll tell you again they do and you can not discredit that fact..

You are being dishonest in your assertions, Sir!!

What I called you on and you are now ignoring is first a claim that Alaska averages 75 inches of snow per year. That is absolutely not true.

The second was a totally out of context quote saying Fairbanks had not been up to 50F since October of 2012. The actual context showed that it was from October of 2012 only until the end of April 2013. Very normal! It went up into the 90's that summer.

Your false statements had nothing to do with showing fluctuations from year to year and that was not mentioned. And all of my statements were dead on accurate!

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