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Dec 5, 2017 13:21:46   #
PeterS
 
S. Maturin wrote:
When dealing with grossly, deliberately ignorant and arrogant people like ole Larry, one needs the understanding and patience of a snake charmer.

Good luck and I wish you all the endurance needed.

And how is Ole Larry any different than anyone else? The statement was made that it was constitutional. Larry simply wanted to know where it said that nothing more...

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Dec 5, 2017 13:47:02   #
PRM2014
 
Pennylynn wrote:
In the Constitution, does it not give the President the responsibility as Commander and Chief? The executive branch classifies material based on presidential executive orders, with the president’s power in turn based on his constitutional role as commander in chief of the armed forces. The Supreme Court has stated that the presidential power “to classify and control access to information bearing on national security flows primarily from the constitutional investment of power in the president.”

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Dec 5, 2017 15:03:47   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
PeterS wrote:
Yeah, but it does more to satisfy Putin. His whole objective is to cause chaos in all western democracies and ours is the once greatest democracy there is. So it has less to do with the malcontents and more to do with destroying our democracy. That accomplished the malcontents and everyone else can go fuk themselves and the oligarchs can take over...


Oh hogwash! Obama gave Putin and his ally, Iran the keys to the fking kingdom!

You really can be funny!

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Dec 5, 2017 15:16:32   #
S. Maturin
 
PeterS wrote:
And how is Ole Larry any different than anyone else? The statement was made that it was constitutional. Larry simply wanted to know where it said that nothing more...


I doubt that was exactly what ole Larry wanted. He's illiterate and ignorant of our Constitution and everything else having to do with the functioning of a democratic republic.

Check his past posts.. all he's really interested in is confrontation and derailment of topics. He's an obstructionist. A paid professional, I would guess.

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Dec 5, 2017 18:54:12   #
Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs
 
Pennylynn wrote:
So you contend that everything or power given to the president MUST be written out in the Constitution? You can not understand that this was contested in the highest court of the nation, and they agreed that as Commander and Chief of the military, he can classify information and declassify information? If he, the Commander, can not then who can according to the Constitution? It is not that they were ignorant of the need for secrets, because it, the Constitution, addresses treason.

There are many things that we take as Constitutional which are not in the Constitution. Many have laws written which are separate from that cherished document; Executive Privilege, creation of the Air Force, "freedom of expression", "innocent until proven guilty", Judicial Review, "Jury of Peers", "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", Marriage, Martial Law, No Taxation Without Representation, Number of Justices in the Supreme Court, Paper Money, Political Parties, Primary Elections, Qualifications for Judges, The Right To Privacy, The Right To Travel, The right to vote, Separation Of Church and State, The Separation Of Powers Clause, Immigration, etc. None of these are specifically in the Constitution, however we all recognize them as "rights" or "responsibilities." And laws are written to protect those rights and responsibilities.

Now you are either trying to be obtuse or perhaps you are... I do not judge.
So you contend that everything or power given to t... (show quote)


Somewhere along the line, either by an act of Congress or a Supreme Court interpretation of the Constitution, the power to classify documents, books, TWXs has been delegated. NOT the power to declassify. I'm not at all sure who can declassify a document or a msg...or what the criteria might be, but one cannot do it by one's self. I tried it once when at Hqs 7/13th AF (Udorn) and got called on it (in a nice way.) At that time, only the originator could classify a msg and you had to follow his classification. Never mind, if you thought it should be downgraded from TS to S; that wasn't your prerogative. Sometimes the only way to get a book or document declassified is through a Freedom of Information Act. That's what happened to both of the books I wrote on the Vietnam War while posted to the Office of Air Force History. Even then, the State Dept fought the requesting law firm's FOIA request tooth and nail. The court overruled them (thank God!). Even today. it's not listed as one of the books the office has published! It's as if they were never written!!

I didn't mean to sound like KKH1. Please excuse....

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Dec 5, 2017 19:02:53   #
Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs
 
PeterS wrote:
And how is Ole Larry any different than anyone else? The statement was made that it was constitutional. Larry simply wanted to know where it said that nothing more...


I can't believe I'm posting this...but Peter S is correct!

Well...what do they say about a blind squirrel?


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Dec 5, 2017 19:11:28   #
Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs
 
PeterS wrote:
Yeah, but it does more to satisfy Putin. His whole objective is to cause chaos in all western democracies and ours is the once greatest democracy there is. So it has less to do with the malcontents and more to do with destroying our democracy. That accomplished the malcontents and everyone else can go fuk themselves and the oligarchs can take over...


I'm glad you acknowledged, "ours is the once greatest democracy there is [was]." In case you might've missed it, that's what Trump means when he campaigned on "Make America Great Again!"

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Dec 5, 2017 19:35:53   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
PeterS wrote:
So how is Trump going to have enough rope to hang Mueller? What is Mueller doing to hang himself?


The time is coming. Be patient....

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Dec 5, 2017 20:10:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mr Shako wrote:
I'm glad you acknowledged, "ours is the once greatest democracy there is [was]." In case you might've missed it, that's what Trump means when he campaigned on "Make America Great Again!"




I see he is working on doing that, giving the last crumbs from the middle class to the very rich..

Moving the embassy to Jerusalem. against the advise of all the NATO allies, most of the Middle East, our own S. of State and intel advisers..

With his accounts with Deutsche bank being subpoenaed, will he go to war with NK now, he may not have time to wait for next summer before the elections..









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Dec 6, 2017 02:42:49   #
PeterS
 
BigMike wrote:
Oh hogwash! Obama gave Putin and his ally, Iran the keys to the fking kingdom!

You really can be funny!

Yeah, that's why Obama and Putin were such buddy buddies, right!

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Dec 6, 2017 09:41:53   #
PRM2014
 
Mr Shako wrote:
Somewhere along the line, either by an act of Congress or a Supreme Court interpretation of the Constitution, the power to classify documents, books, TWXs has been delegated. NOT the power to declassify. I'm not at all sure who can declassify a document or a msg...or what the criteria might be, but one cannot do it by one's self. I tried it once when at Hqs 7/13th AF (Udorn) and got called on it (in a nice way.) At that time, only the originator could classify a msg and you had to follow his classification. Never mind, if you thought it should be downgraded from TS to S; that wasn't your prerogative. Sometimes the only way to get a book or document declassified is through a Freedom of Information Act. That's what happened to both of the books I wrote on the Vietnam War while posted to the Office of Air Force History. Even then, the State Dept fought the requesting law firm's FOIA request tooth and nail. The court overruled them (thank God!). Even today. it's not listed as one of the books the office has published! It's as if they were never written!!

I didn't mean to sound like KKH1. Please excuse....
Somewhere along the line, either by an act of Cong... (show quote)


The President, as commander-in-chief, does have the power to declassify information about national security matters at his whim, legal experts say.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/can-trump-disclose-classified-information-whenever-he-wants-n729601
Mar 6, 2017 ... The president's power to declassify national security information What say you?

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Dec 6, 2017 10:21:58   #
S. Maturin
 
PRM2014 wrote:
The President, as commander-in-chief, does have the power to declassify information about national security matters at his whim, legal experts say.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/can-trump-disclose-classified-information-whenever-he-wants-n729601
Mar 6, 2017 ... The president's power to declassify national security information What say you?


Interesting discussion, RE Classification/declassification.. I was wondering about the Sec. of State's ability to do what the president can legally do in that regard.

It seems like there was quite a bit of that sort of thing happening with Hillary.

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Dec 6, 2017 10:38:40   #
PRM2014
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Interesting discussion, RE Classification/declassification.. I was wondering about the Sec. of State's ability to do what the president can legally do in that regard.

It seems like there was quite a bit of that sort of thing happening with Hillary.


You got that right, Hillary just took it upon her self to use her home brew server, it isn't legal
for S O S must use dot gov server.

She wanted soooooooooo bad to be the President/ Commander-in-Chief. Don't think she would be up to the job.

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Dec 6, 2017 11:10:29   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
PRM2014 wrote:
You got that right, Hillary just took it upon her self to use her home brew server, it isn't legal
for S O S must use dot gov server.

She wanted soooooooooo bad to be the President/ Commander-in-Chief. Don't think she would be up to the job.



In all honesty, I thought if the Hag was elected, she would be running
the country, (into the ground), from the comfort of her ill gotten
homes!

SEMPER FI

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Dec 6, 2017 11:12:09   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
mongo wrote:
In all honesty, I thought if the Hag was elected, she would be running
the country, (into the ground), from the comfort of her ill gotten
homes!

SEMPER FI


And selling off parts of it as quickly as possible!!!

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