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Dec 2, 2017 21:13:20   #
DJRich Loc: Western Pa
 
NYT breaks another story about trump, collusion and the usual trump team lies and distortions.

The tweeter's future is looking a bit bleaker.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/michael-flynn-russia-emails-donald-trump/index.html

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Dec 2, 2017 21:45:00   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
According to the article, conversations (e-mails and telecom) occurred on Dec 29, 2016. The election was over,
Trump was the President elect. When did it become illegal for the President elect to put out feelers for the current political climate and to examine courses to take to ease or eliminate hostilities? The article was right in one respect, the sanctions imposed by obama was intended to influence the election. I am referring to the Sept 2016 sanctions. After his pet lost to Trump, he tried to entice Russia to anger with even more sanctions in Dec. So, I can see why a new president would want to reach out to a country that was unfairly dealt with.
DJRich wrote:
NYT breaks another story about trump, collusion and the usual trump team lies and distortions.

The tweeter's future is looking a bit bleaker.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/michael-flynn-russia-emails-donald-trump/index.html

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Dec 2, 2017 21:48:15   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Pennylynn wrote:
According to the article, conversations (e-mails and telecom) occurred on Dec 29, 2016. The election was over,
Trump was the President elect. When did it become illegal for the President elect to put out feelers for the current political climate and to examine courses to take to ease or eliminate hostilities? The article was right in one respect, the sanctions imposed by obama was intended to influence the election. I am referring to the Sept 2016 sanctions. After his pet lost to Trump, he tried to entice Russia to anger with even more sanctions in Dec. So, I can see why a new president would want to reach out to a country that was unfairly dealt with.
According to the article, conversations (e-mails a... (show quote)



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Dec 2, 2017 22:12:30   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Pennylynn wrote:
According to the article, conversations (e-mails and telecom) occurred on Dec 29, 2016. The election was over,
Trump was the President elect. When did it become illegal for the President elect to put out feelers for the current political climate and to examine courses to take to ease or eliminate hostilities? The article was right in one respect, the sanctions imposed by obama was intended to influence the election. I am referring to the Sept 2016 sanctions. After his pet lost to Trump, he tried to entice Russia to anger with even more sanctions in Dec. So, I can see why a new president would want to reach out to a country that was unfairly dealt with.
According to the article, conversations (e-mails a... (show quote)

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PL, The President-Elect is NOT the President and would not be until January 20, 2017. Until he takes office, he is still a regular citizen and does not have the right to become involved in international politics. As the Russians were proven to be involved in our elections, the sanctions weren't too severe.

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Dec 2, 2017 22:14:28   #
Carol Kelly
 
DJRich wrote:
NYT breaks another story about trump, collusion and the usual trump team lies and distortions.

The tweeter's future is looking a bit bleaker.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/michael-flynn-russia-emails-donald-trump/index.html


You just can't give it up!

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Dec 2, 2017 22:15:09   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Pennylynn wrote:
According to the article, conversations (e-mails and telecom) occurred on Dec 29, 2016. The election was over,
Trump was the President elect. When did it become illegal for the President elect to put out feelers for the current political climate and to examine courses to take to ease or eliminate hostilities? The article was right in one respect, the sanctions imposed by obama was intended to influence the election. I am referring to the Sept 2016 sanctions. After his pet lost to Trump, he tried to entice Russia to anger with even more sanctions in Dec. So, I can see why a new president would want to reach out to a country that was unfairly dealt with.
According to the article, conversations (e-mails a... (show quote)


Perfect response Pennylynn..Its funny watching them foam at the mouth, jumping up and down, going...we got him...we got him.....they got nothin!!

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Dec 2, 2017 22:22:15   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
The Logan Law forbids an elected president to make policy or negotiate contracts in the name of the USA with any nation we are in current conflict (war). This act is old, 1799. Shortly after the election, there was an attempt to amend this law by Jared Huffman (Democrat) "would amend the Logan Act to ensure that U.S. foreign policy is conducted only by the sitting President, enshrining into law the longstanding policy that only one President serves at a time. The “One President at a Time Act” would require that in the period between a Presidential election and the President-elect’s inauguration into office, the President-elect cannot conduct foreign policy matters without the authorization of the United States government." As you can see, this would make the contact with Russia, even as a feeler illegal and punishable. But, the proposed change did not get introduced until Dec 2016. Ergo, President elect Trump did not break either law... we were not at war nor is there evidence that he even talked with Russia and the amendment is still under consideration and has not been signed into law.
Alicia wrote:
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PL, The President-Elect is NOT the President and would not be until January 20, 2017. Until he takes office, he is still a regular citizen and does not have the right to become involved in international politics. As the Russians were proven to be involved in our elections, the sanctions weren't too severe.

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Dec 2, 2017 22:33:10   #
emarine
 
Pennylynn wrote:
The Logan Law forbids an elected president to make policy or negotiate contracts in the name of the USA with any nation we are in current conflict (war). This act is old, 1799. Shortly after the election, there was an attempt to amend this law by Jared Huffman (Democrat) "would amend the Logan Act to ensure that U.S. foreign policy is conducted only by the sitting President, enshrining into law the longstanding policy that only one President serves at a time. The “One President at a Time Act” would require that in the period between a Presidential election and the President-elect’s inauguration into office, the President-elect cannot conduct foreign policy matters without the authorization of the United States government." As you can see, this would make the contact with Russia, even as a feeler illegal and punishable. But, the proposed change did not get introduced until Dec 2016. Ergo, President elect Trump did not break either law... we were not at war with Russia and the amendment is still under consideration and has not been signed into law.
The Logan Law forbids an elected president to make... (show quote)




It is to my understanding that congress wants more sanctions put on Russia but Trump won't sign off on them???...

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Dec 2, 2017 22:50:49   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
There is a list of new sanctions on Russia. Here is a link to that list: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/26/us/politics/document-Russia-Sanctions-Documents.html

As far as I know, there is no other actions pending our President's approval. He did sign off on 12 new ones in August 2017.

emarine wrote:
It is to my understanding that congress wants more sanctions put on Russia but Trump won't sign off on them???...

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Dec 2, 2017 23:00:53   #
emarine
 
Pennylynn wrote:
There is a list of new sanctions on Russia. Here is a link to that list: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/26/us/politics/document-Russia-Sanctions-Documents.html

As far as I know, there is no other actions pending our President's approval. He did sign off on 12 new ones in August 2017.




Thanks Penn... good to know Trumps on it...

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Dec 2, 2017 23:33:12   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Pennylynn wrote:
According to the article, conversations (e-mails and telecom) occurred on Dec 29, 2016. The election was over,
Trump was the President elect. When did it become illegal for the President elect to put out feelers for the current political climate and to examine courses to take to ease or eliminate hostilities? The article was right in one respect, the sanctions imposed by obama was intended to influence the election. I am referring to the Sept 2016 sanctions. After his pet lost to Trump, he tried to entice Russia to anger with even more sanctions in Dec. So, I can see why a new president would want to reach out to a country that was unfairly dealt with.
According to the article, conversations (e-mails a... (show quote)


It isn't...and he doesn't have to tell anyone about it whether they like it or not. They'll see.

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Dec 2, 2017 23:37:43   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Alicia wrote:
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PL, The President-Elect is NOT the President and would not be until January 20, 2017. Until he takes office, he is still a regular citizen and does not have the right to become involved in international politics. As the Russians were proven to be involved in our elections, the sanctions weren't too severe.


Doesn't matter. He can still talk to whoever he wants. He can send his people to talk to whoever he wants. As far as I know...apart from revealing classified secrets he can talk about what he wants and he doesn't have to tell anyone about it. You'll see.

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Dec 3, 2017 00:25:24   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
Looks More Like A Tangled Web Of Reporting

Then There's This:
"...the [Obama] sanctions against Russia were meant to "lure Trump in trap of saying something" in defense of Russia, and were aimed at
"discrediting Trump's victory by saying it was due to Russian interference," the Times reported.

How Long Have They Been Throwing 'Russian Interference' Poo At The Wall ??

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Dec 3, 2017 00:30:42   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
karpenter wrote:
Looks More Like A Tangled Web Of Reporting

Then There's This:
"...the [Obama] sanctions against Russia were meant to "lure Trump in trap of saying something" in defense of Russia, and were aimed at
"discrediting Trump's victory by saying it was due to Russian interference," the Times reported.

How Long Have They Been Throwing 'Russian Interference' Poo At The Wall ??


That wouldn't surprise me one bit. I believe they set up Trump Jr with the Russian chick too....

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Dec 3, 2017 00:33:17   #
EconomistDon
 
Alicia wrote:
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PL, The President-Elect is NOT the President and would not be until January 20, 2017. Until he takes office, he is still a regular citizen and does not have the right to become involved in international politics. As the Russians were proven to be involved in our elections, the sanctions weren't too severe.


Maybe you could explain that to a black basketball player who visits North Korea without government approval. North Korea is a powder keg waiting to blow up; we don't need any unnecessary incidents to ignite the powder.
But he can go to North Korea, and Trump's team had every right to communicate with Russia. The Military Industrial Complex and Democrats are trying to resume a cold war with Russia. I am thrilled that Trump has enough brains and chutzpah mend relations with Russia as soon as possible. Blather all you want; we do not want war with Russia.

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