PRM2014

Larry the Legend; you are nothing but a blowhard; it comes from the Constitution the President can declassify any Classified doc's.
You are just picking what you yourself wants to post, read it all and tell me what you find????

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Oh. Come. On. For the last time. You claim that the power to classify and declassify is at the President's whim. OK! I never said it wasn't! You then claim that it is a constitutional power, a claim I seriously doubt. All I want to see is the specific delegation of that power where it is listed in the constitution. That's all. You made the claim, now point it out.

S. Maturin

The only thing NOT tangled is the roaring, screaming, hypocrisy of your fellow travelers.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

In the Constitution, does it not give the President the responsibility as Commander and Chief? The executive branch classifies material based on presidential executive orders, with the president’s power in turn based on his constitutional role as commander in chief of the armed forces. The Supreme Court has stated that the presidential power “to classify and control access to information bearing on national security … flows primarily from the constitutional investment of power in the president.”

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

OK, so it's in the constitution. Where? Highlight the words, because I can'y see them. Nobody's doubting his ability to classify / declassify as he sees fit, Penny; all I'm asking is where that ability derives in the constitution. I've read the ruling and they do not point out any constitutional specifics either. The statement was that it's enshrined in the constitution. Being the curious type, and smelling something not quite right, I asked where, specifically in the constitution it is mentioned. All I've gotten since is smoke and mirrors - 'it's in Article II'. OK, so I pull article II, go through it line by line and no mention anywhere. But somehow I'm in the wrong and I can't see it. If it's there, fine, question answered, but I can't get a straight answer so no, not fine. Now you have the whole story.



I see that. I read it and there's only one teeny-weeny tiny detail missing. By stating "constitutional investment of power in the president", we are clearly being directed to Article II, which deals with all things Presidential. Fine. So we pull Article II out, blow the dust off it, and find nothing specifically delegating that power. Anywhere. Again, I'm not saying the presidential power “to classify and control access to information bearing on national security" is a bad thing or shouldn't be allowed, I'm just looking for the specific origin of this power, and it ain't in the constitution.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

So you contend that everything or power given to the president MUST be written out in the Constitution? You can not understand that this was contested in the highest court of the nation, and they agreed that as Commander and Chief of the military, he can classify information and declassify information? If he, the Commander, can not then who can according to the Constitution? It is not that they were ignorant of the need for secrets, because it, the Constitution, addresses treason.

There are many things that we take as Constitutional which are not in the Constitution. Many have laws written which are separate from that cherished document; Executive Privilege, creation of the Air Force, "freedom of expression", "innocent until proven guilty", Judicial Review, "Jury of Peers", "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", Marriage, Martial Law, No Taxation Without Representation, Number of Justices in the Supreme Court, Paper Money, Political Parties, Primary Elections, Qualifications for Judges, The Right To Privacy, The Right To Travel, The right to vote, Separation Of Church and State, The Separation Of Powers Clause, Immigration, etc. None of these are specifically in the Constitution, however we all recognize them as "rights" or "responsibilities." And laws are written to protect those rights and responsibilities.

Now you are either trying to be obtuse or perhaps you are... I do not judge.

PRM2014

One of the members of Congress who commented after the newspaper’s revelations was Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho. According to CNN, he told reporters, "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
Can you even read???

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it’s done -- it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president. I just don't know what you think you are a know-IT ALL. But you aren't as smart as you think you are.

PRM2014

I am in total agreement with you on that subject. I think you should put your law books away, you must not be able to read them anyway go back to school and maybe learn something.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I certainly CAN read and that is why I argue that the President, as Commander and Chief, and upheld in the Supreme Court,
can classify or declassify information as he deems appropriate. Having said that, I think you should revisit my remarks to Larry the Legend, it is he who thinks the the authority is not based on the Constitution. Follow this link to my comment to Larry.... http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-119342-3.html Now then, if you can not find my comment or have difficulty in following the thread (which was supporting your position) do let me know and I will copy and paste it in my reply, if there is a reply to your contumely remarks.

kankune Loc: Iowa

Tsk..tsk..tsk....you came up against the wrong person on here. One to think you are soooo much smarter than and 2...to insult as you have. I'm going to sit back and laugh while you get raked over the coals.

S. Maturin

When dealing with grossly, deliberately ignorant and arrogant people like ole Larry, one needs the understanding and patience of a snake charmer.

Good luck and I wish you all the endurance needed.

PeterS

Yeah, but it does more to satisfy Putin. His whole objective is to cause chaos in all western democracies and ours is the once greatest democracy there is. So it has less to do with the malcontents and more to do with destroying our democracy. That accomplished the malcontents and everyone else can go fuk themselves and the oligarchs can take over...

PeterS

Then he had no reason to lie and the president had no reason to ask for his resignation was there. Perhaps we should install Flynn again and move on like nothing every happened. Well, there is that Turkey think though isn't there. Hell, you got to give him a little leeway don't we. I say forgive and forget and put Flynn back in as the Presidents right hand man...

PeterS

So how is Trump going to have enough rope to hang Mueller? What is Mueller doing to hang himself?

PeterS

Larry, the following is from an article that I will give you a link too:

The president’s classification and declassification powers are broad
Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it’s done -- it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

I believe that answers the question you asked...