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Dec 3, 2017 16:28:05   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
BigMike wrote:
I'd laugh my ass off if Trump let these fools continue with their fool investigation for long enough to really get the haters really hopeful and then fired Mueller, which he could and will do.

(Hear that libs? I'm beginning to think Trump is stringing you, the media, the Dems and maybe even the Establishment Republicans. He absolutely will fire Mueller who'd better hurry and do something before he's caught in his own web. Trump will not give a damn about political consequences, Sessions will be forced to act against his Establishment buddies and I don't think the Republicans are stupid enough to let Trump be impeached. They're really stupid but not droolingly so, I don't think )

My prescience may be showing again.
I'd laugh my ass off if Trump let these fools cont... (show quote)


Hah..hes giving Mueller just enough rope to hang himself. Some people are just too ignorant to see what he is actually doing. Our President is smart like a fox....

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Dec 3, 2017 18:49:26   #
PRM2014
 
BigMike wrote:
Doesn't matter. He can still talk to whoever he wants. He can send his people to talk to whoever he wants. As far as I know...apart from revealing classified secrets he can talk about what he wants and he doesn't have to tell anyone about it. You'll see.


The President any President can Declassified Classified information at any time he want's, check out the Constitution.

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Dec 3, 2017 20:36:55   #
DJRich Loc: Western Pa
 
Heres a News Flash for you, trump CANNOT fire Mueller, only Rothenstien can do that.

So trump would need to fire Rothenstien first, and that would open a can of congressional whoopass on him that he could never recover from.









BigMike wrote:
I'd laugh my ass off if Trump let these fools continue with their fool investigation for long enough to really get the haters really hopeful and then fired Mueller, which he could and will do.

(Hear that libs? I'm beginning to think Trump is stringing you, the media, the Dems and maybe even the Establishment Republicans. He absolutely will fire Mueller who'd better hurry and do something before he's caught in his own web. Trump will not give a damn about political consequences, Sessions will be forced to act against his Establishment buddies and I don't think the Republicans are stupid enough to let Trump be impeached. They're really stupid but not droolingly so, I don't think )

My prescience may be showing again.
I'd laugh my ass off if Trump let these fools cont... (show quote)

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Dec 3, 2017 23:21:31   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
DJRich wrote:
NYT breaks another story about trump, collusion and the usual trump team lies and distortions.

The tweeter's future is looking a bit bleaker.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/michael-flynn-russia-emails-donald-trump/index.html


It's a trap!!

"She also wrote that the sanctions against Russia were meant to "lure Trump in trap of saying something" in defense of Russia, and were aimed at "discrediting Trump's victory by saying it was due to Russian interference," the Times reported. Bossert replied by urging the senior advisers to "defend election legitimacy now."

And then there''s this little gem:

"CNN has not independently confirmed the Times report." Yeah, you bet they didn't, because they can't, and not for lack of trying, but that didn't stop them repeating this big pile of bovine waste material.

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Dec 3, 2017 23:44:51   #
PeterS
 
DJRich wrote:
NYT breaks another story about trump, collusion and the usual trump team lies and distortions.

The tweeter's future is looking a bit bleaker.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/michael-flynn-russia-emails-donald-trump/index.html

Yeah, but were they talking about Russia Russia or Russia Texas???

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Dec 3, 2017 23:50:48   #
PeterS
 
PRM2014 wrote:
The President any President can Declassified Classified information at any time he want's, check out the Constitution.

Damn straight. Helps pay back the Russians too...

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Dec 4, 2017 00:45:50   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
PRM2014 wrote:
The President any President can Declassified Classified information at any time he want's, check out the Constitution.


OK I checked it out, don't see where it says that. So, um, where's it say that?

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Dec 4, 2017 02:05:31   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
The power of the President to classify or declassify information is indeed taken from the Constitution, Article II. Furthermore, it was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1988, Department of Navy vs. Egan. Quote from majority ruling: "His (President) authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Larry the Legend wrote:
OK I checked it out, don't see where it says that. So, um, where's it say that?

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Dec 4, 2017 09:37:10   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Pennylynn wrote:
The power of the President to classify or declassify information is indeed taken from the Constitution, Article II. Furthermore, it was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1988, Department of Navy vs. Egan. Quote from majority ruling: "His (President) authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."


Like I said, I checked it out (My comments is parentheses):

Article II

Section 1.

The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.

(Nothing so far...)

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

(Looking at you, Barack.)

In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

(Still nothing.)

The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

(So much for section 1.)

Section 2.

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

(Nope, still looking.)

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

(Section 2 clear!)

Section 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.

(Nope. Nothing in Section 3.)

Section 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

(Annnd... We're done! Not a single word about 'secrets' or 'classified information' or anything else of an 'intelligence' nature.)

Like I said in the beginning, there is no Constitutional basis for 'classifying' information.

Is this another one of those 'constitutional clauses' that the specially equipped, black robed gifted ones can see that we ordinary mortals are not privy to? It is, isn't it? As far as I know, they haven't found 'democracy' in the constitution yet either, but they're still looking! They'll get to that one too.

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Dec 4, 2017 10:51:04   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
DJRich wrote:
Heres a News Flash for you, trump CANNOT fire Mueller, only Rothenstien can do that.

So trump would need to fire Rothenstien first, and that would open a can of congressional whoopass on him that he could never recover from.


So...as I said, Trump can fire Mueller and, as I said, he will do that if he thinks it necessary and he won't give a damn about political consequences.

You are so misreading this. You're not going to be allowed to depose the President...especially on the account of the criminal hag.

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Dec 4, 2017 10:53:26   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
PeterS wrote:
Damn straight. Helps pay back the Russians too...


Helps deal with the malcontents and sore losers in the election too, eh?

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Dec 4, 2017 12:05:16   #
PRM2014
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
OK I checked it out, don't see where it says that. So, um, where's it say that?



Okay just check this out right from the Constitution; "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process." Now how about them APPLES.

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Dec 4, 2017 13:53:55   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
PRM2014 wrote:
Okay just check this out right from the Constitution; "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process." Now how about them APPLES.


Well that's just fine and dandy by me, except that's not in the constitution. The original claim was that it's constitutional. All I want to know is where. To reiterate my original question; where in the constitution does it even mention classifying information or documents? Being somewhat familiar with that particular document, this is breaking news to me, so please point it out, or, alternatively, STFU.

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Dec 4, 2017 14:27:59   #
PRM2014
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Well that's just fine and dandy by me, except that's not in the constitution. The original claim was that it's constitutional. All I want to know is where. To reiterate my original question; where in the constitution does it even mention classifying information or documents? Being somewhat familiar with that particular document, this is breaking news to me, so please point it out, or, alternatively, STFU.



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Dec 4, 2017 16:28:52   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Well then, using your reasoning, no one can classify or declassify information, even the Commander and Chief. Also using your reasoning, the Supreme Court's rulings are worthless and useless along with Constitutional lawyers. Good to know that those individuals wasted all their time and effort in education..... they should have just sent you an e-mail and you could have answered all their questions and concerns.

Someone should have told your obama that he could not classify/declassify information or write an EX on the subject. See The President Executive Order 13526, section 1.3, "(a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by: (1) the President and the Vice President" and 1.5 "Duration of Classification. n (a) At the time of original classification, the original classification authority shall establish a specific date or event for declassification based on the duration of the national security sensitivity of the information." https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

So, from now on, you will be our go to person on any legal matters. I can put my law books away. Thank you.





Larry the Legend wrote:
Like I said, I checked it out (My comments is parentheses):

Article II

Section 1.

The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.

(Nothing so far...)

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

(Looking at you, Barack.)

In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

(Still nothing.)

The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

(So much for section 1.)

Section 2.

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

(Nope, still looking.)

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

(Section 2 clear!)

Section 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.

(Nope. Nothing in Section 3.)

Section 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

(Annnd... We're done! Not a single word about 'secrets' or 'classified information' or anything else of an 'intelligence' nature.)

Like I said in the beginning, there is no Constitutional basis for 'classifying' information.

Is this another one of those 'constitutional clauses' that the specially equipped, black robed gifted ones can see that we ordinary mortals are not privy to? It is, isn't it? As far as I know, they haven't found 'democracy' in the constitution yet either, but they're still looking! They'll get to that one too.
Like I said, I checked it out (My comments is pare... (show quote)

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