payne1000

All that babbling and not once did you explain what brought down the center core.
The PBS animators couldn't explain it either so they just left the center core standing.
The photos and videos show the tower debris being thrown upward as well as outward.
How did your peeling theory accomplish the upward movement of the debris?

emarine

nothing blew up... the structure fell down...deception is your game... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMTFVeRbpC4

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You truthers can play your MONKEY SEE THIS, NO SEE THAT game with photos and videos until hell freezes but it doesn't alter the facts.

I don't believe they embed water pipes and electrical conduit in concrete. Except for the steam pipes that supplied the base board convectors and the sprinkler system, the water supply in the twin towers did not extend into the office areas. Neither the steam pipes or sprinkler pipes were embedded in the concrete floor slabs. The sprinkler pipes obviously were located in the ceilings.

Hangar 17 at JFK airport was reserved to store selected artifacts from the WTC rubble, these artifacts were candidates for inclusion in the 9/11 memorial museum. The photos below are two views of a remnant of compacted floors that is now on display in the museum. The engineers and curators examined two such chunks of rubble and choose this one for the museum. Late in the clean-up, this piece, showing evidence of four floors compacted into a mass less than four feet in depth, was found buried deep in the rubble which suggests that it came from floors low in the building, probably in the sub level floors where foundation rebar could have gotten crushed into it.

Floors low in the towers and in the sub-level were not subjected to the violent disintegration that occurred in the higher floors, they did not come down from the heights the upper floors did, they were simply crushed by the immense compression forces of the thousands of tons of tower rubble that came down on them. It is not possible that this is the result of high explosives or thermite or nano-thermite or nukes.

But, you go ahead, payne, and noodle around with your BIG BOMBS and little fires pretending that impossible explanations are relevant to the real events on 9/11.

payne1000

Go to the 2:25 mark on your video to hear the news reporter say, "you can see a portion of the side of the building still standing."
Your link proves once again that the center core did not remain standing. Only high explosives and cutting charges could take out that massive center core while leaving the outer walls still standing.

payne1000

The crime scene was totally controlled by agents of the perpetrators. These agents could produce any evidence the perpetrators desired. Your glob of concrete and rebar might have been dug up from where these same perpetrators buried the evidence of the Murrah Building in 1995. Controlled Demolitions, Inc. handled the cleanup on the Murrah Building and the World Trade Center and were most likely involved in loading the explosives at the World Trade Center.

Some of the most likely perpetrators.

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Nothing was under the control of anyone in lower Manhattan on 9/11. But, g'head, keep going with the psychobabble, in a bizarre way it is entertaining.

payne1000

NYC Mayor Guiliani had FEMA in place the day before 9/11.
FEMA was there . . . ready to move in and secure the crime scene right after the towers collapsed.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fematape.html

emarine

Why do you insist on ignorance...don't you know any better... the center core looks nothing like the outer frame work... you obviously aren't very observant in your visual observations in which you base your entire arguments on ...

payne1000

If you were observant you would notice that the smoke and debris clouds are all to the right of the structure you are falsely attempting to pass off as the center core. The center core was in the center. The smoke and debris would be on both sides of the center core. You are obviously showing a portion of the outer wall.
The arrows on the second image shows the corners which are seen in the photo.

Your second photo shows remnants of the center core which were dug up out of the debris pile.
It's only a portion of the center core. What happened to the rest of it?

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I'll stop laughing now, long enough to post something. In the hundreds of videos and photos I've seen taken on the streets, I have never seen any group of officials controlling anything.

9/11: three hours of terror and chaos that brought a nation to a halt
Chaos, Miscommunication Left U.S. Woefully Unprepared for Sept. 11 Attacks

FEMA's Prior Knowledge of 9-11 Put to Rest

Devvy Kidd
November 25, 2002

Not long after the heinous attacks on September 11, 2001, many questions began to surface about the sequence of events which took place. A little less than two months after the attacks, the allegation was made that FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) had prior knowledge of 9-11 because they deployed rescue workers the night before the actual attacks.

This allegation was based on an interview broadcast September 13, 2001, on Dan Rather's news program. A Tom Kennedy allegedly stated he arrived in NYC on September 10, 2001 - the night before the attacks. This allegation of prior knowledge became so persistent, WND addressed the issue in an article November 15, 2002:

This, however, did not satisfy many who felt that the audio of this interview proved that a Tom Kennedy, who works for FEMA, stated emphatically that he arrived in NYC on September 10, 2001. In an effort to determine the truth of the matter, I filed a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request on April 19, 2002 for the following:

* A copy of Mr. Kennedy's deployment/TDY orders for the time period of September 1st through and including September 15, 2001.

* Copies of any memos, directives or orders relating to his assignment in NYC as it relates to the WTC disaster.

FEMA responded to this FOIA on June 6, 2002 and stated the following:

"Liaison with cognizant personnel reveals that no responsive documents exist within the files of the Federal Emergency Management Agency relative to your request."

On June 10, 2002, I filed an appeal with FEMA because it provided no answers to my questions. In part, I based my appeal on WND's article and it was also my suspicion at that point that this Mr. Kennedy was probably a contract employee. FEMA doesn't have the budget to employ the number of individuals needed for disaster response nationwide on a full time basis, so they contract out the work to various agencies and companies.

The key to this entire allegation hinged on the live interview between Ran Rather and this "Mr. Kennedy." However, having finally obtained the audio feed (while awaiting a response to my appeal), this is the exact transcript concerning the Tom Kennedy broadcast November 13, 2001:

Ran Rather: "[unintelligible] Tom Kennedy, uh, Kenney, a rescue worker with the National Urban Search & Rescue which is part of FEMA."

Mr. Tom Kenney: "We're currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the City of NY for this disaster. We arrived on late Monday night and went into action on Tuesday morning, and not until today did we get a full opportunity to work the entire site..."

Right away we have a number of inconsistencies:

* Dan Rather erred when he pronounced the name of his guest, but immediately corrected himself and continued. Those raising this theory about prior knowledge did not listen carefully to the audio feed.

* Rather also stated that Mr. Kenney was a rescue worker with the National Urban Search & Rescue, a part of FEMA. This would eventually prove to be somewhat inaccurate. According to FEMAs web site, the concept of using a combination of various resources performing the functions of urban search and rescue was based on a model concept developed in the early 1980s down in Florida.

* Did Mr. Kenney, during an interview in the middle of the most horrendous disaster in American history on home soil inadvertently give the wrong day he was deployed?

According to two press news releases from FEMA dated September 11, 2002, deployment was as follows:

FEMA Responds to Terrorism Attacks

"FEMA is working closely with the White House and federal agencies to provide assistance following several apparent terrorism attacks today...An operation plan for these types of acts is in place, and FEMA is currently implementing them."

Later in the day, they issued a second press release:

"In response to the apparent terrorist events, FEMA's Washington-based Emergency Response Team (EST) has fully activated and on 24-hour operations. All 10 of the FEMA regions - headquartered in Boston, New York City, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Chicago, Denton, TX, Denver, San Francisco and Bothell, Wash. - are also fully activated.

"FEMA has activated the Federal Response Plan... Already, FEMA has deployed eight Urban Search & Rescue teams (US&R) to New York City to search for victims in the affected buildings. "In response to the apparent terrorist events, FEMA"

Several months later in another press release from FEMA, a list of operations and teams was listed: "The first teams at the WTC site were Pennsylvania Task Force (TF)1 and Massachusetts TF1, both arriving on
September 11, 2001."

But does any of this prove or disprove the theory that Mr. Kenney arrived in NYC the night before the attacks? We have already established that it was not a Tom Kennedy, it was a Tom Kenney (from the audio feed). I finally received a reply to my FOIA appeal, which, I believe, puts the matter to rest.

Mr. Kenney is a member of the Massachusetts Urban Search & Rescue Task Force. (www.matf.org) They are contracted by FEMA to respond immediately upon receiving activation orders. As was noted above in a FEMA press release, Massachusetts, designated as Task Force 1 Area, were one of the first two teams to arrive at the WTC.

The Activation order from FEMA was issued on September 12, 2001, effective immediately. Under the
circumstances of this horrific event, and having worked for DoD, an activation order issued after an emergency situation has occurred is not uncommon, it's simply necessary for the circumstances. The documents from FEMA under my FOIA can be viewed by |clicking here.|

What about Mr. Kenney's statement on the audio feed that he "arrived late Monday night and went into action on Tuesday morning"? This interview took place sometime on the 13th, two full days after all Hell had broken loose. Mr. Kenney sounds winded on the audio as if he had been exerting himself. We can all remember the big network anchors doing interviews close to ground zero almost 24/7 for the first few weeks. It is more than likely, Mr. Kenney, having worked virtually non-stop since his arrival in NYC , had his days run together and his statement simply came out wrong.

There is a final step that can be taken if one were so inclined: File a FOIA with the contracting officer with FEMA for the Massachusetts Urban Search & Rescue Task force contract. Having been a contract administrator for the Air Force, I know that all contractors bill for their time with very specific deployment/activation orders and time sheets to back up their billing to the government.

Considering the lawsuits already filed by family members of lost loved ones as a result of 9-11 with unanswered questions, any hint of prior knowledge by any government agency would be explored during the discovery process of these lawsuits. This would include this particular issue with Mr. Kenney and his actual deployment.

At this time I am fully satisfied that Mr. Kenney, an outside contractor was not deployed until the afternoon of September 11, 2001. If I had any doubts left, I would file another FOIA to the contracting officer at FEMA who handles MATF-1 because it's the truth I seek when I file FOIAs, and in this case, I believe it's been uncovered.

I have chastised people over and over and over about checking their facts before they put out information that turns into "fact" without anything to substantiate their allegations. It my opinion that this is one of the reasons the "patriot movement" has little credibility, are looked upon as fools or wackos and fall into the category of the little boy who cried wolf.

There certainly are a lot of unanswered questions about a great many issues, but putting out sketchy information that gets circulated out there in cyberspace and passed around is downright wrong. Then, when it proves to be incorrect, inaccurate or downright wrong, such irresponsible actions reflect on those of us who do the homework and I for one and tired of being lumped in with people who will believe anything from anyone.

Yes, it's a slow and arduous process in filing FOIAs and digging for information and documents, but I do it all the time. I do it because it's very important to me that I put out the truth so not to mislead people and because my credibility is on the line.

payne1000

As I've said many times, it takes a lot of words to cover up lies.
Devvy Kidd is a wannabe politician who can't get elected.
It appears that her real job is writing cover-up articles.
Why should readers believe anything she writes?

Barbara Honegger is a Senior Military Affairs Journalist, and former White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to
the Assistant to the President in the first Reagan Administration.
She writes:

Giuliani testified to the 9/11 Commission that his Office of Emergency Management (OEM) had scheduled
a bio/chem-terrorism response exercise, called TRIPOD II, to begin the day after 9/11, Sept. 12. But
personnel who were to take part in the exercise were already in New York City on Sept. 10th and OEM
personnel were cleared out of their WTC7 offices on Sept. 11 and moved to the exercise command center
on a New York pier and thus conveniently out of the building when it was brought down by military-grade
thermate explosives on 9/11 --controlled demolition charges that required weeks to pre-place, the very
weeks the exercise was being planned. New Jersey’s Ft. Monmouth, an Army base just across the water
from the Twin Towers, also held a ‘II’ exercise, called TIMELY ALERT II, on 9/11, almost certainly
coordinated with Giuliani’s TRIPOD II, further evidence that the latter was also scheduled to begin on Sept. 11.
http://physics911.net/pdf/Scarlet%20A%20-%20Honegger.pdf

emarine

So ignorance It is?, or is it desperation?... The corners of the outer frame work don't look anything like the massive center core... now you disgrace yourself in obvious lies... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI

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You must have an unlimited supply of horseshit. You do a hell of a job trucking it in here.

Barbara Honegger is just another malcontent whose political views ripened her up for a good run with the 9/11 conspiracy. Why should readers believe anything she writes?

Devvy Kidd never ran for any elected office. She spent 19 years in construction and banking before going on to various civilian positions with the Department of Defense. During her tenure as an Administrative Officer for the Department of the Army, she was responsible for contracts and budget management oversight in excess of $8,000,000.00.

Following this assignment and due to Devvy's husband's transfer, she became a Contract Administrator for the Department of Air Force, Air Force Space Command at Peterson AFB, Colorado. Despite being the only person in her division to be awarded outstanding performance certificates and awards, her appointment was not renewed. Devvy is a federal whistle blower. While at Peterson AFB, she filed a fraud, waste & abuse against her own job. The three-ring circus that followed is sadly all too typical of what happens to those who step forward with the truth.

Devvy's husband John is a retired United States Army Colonel. Upon his retirement after 27 years of honorable service, he continued his career in the private sector as a construction management engineer. John's 43 years of career pursuits came to an end when he retired for good on November 1, 2006. Devvy has one daughter.

Devvy Kidd P.O.W.E.R

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The wind was blowing on 9/11.

In videos of the North Tower collapse, we see a tall section of core columns standing as the rest of the building collapses around them. Within a few seconds, the core columns also collapse.

payne1000

Ignorance is evident in those who post videos which prove the opposite of what they are claiming. Go to the 1:10 mark of your link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI