payne1000

Here's that science lesson again. This should kick your babbling into high gear once more.

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What the hell do you mean, "torture prison"? That's Club Gitmo, man, thanks to bleeding heart liberals and political correctness, they treat those scumbags better than patrons of a four star hotel.

KSM was waterboarded 183 times, bloody shame they didn't hook his balls up to a battery 183 times. As far as trying KSM, let the bastard rot in his prison suite.

You don't know a hell of a lot about your terrorist buddies, do you? Those barbarians are defiant SOBs. No one coerced KSM and his four co-conspirators to plead guilty. This tactic came long after the EIT was completed.

“Are you prepared to enter pleas to the charges against you today?” the judge asked Mohammed.

“Yes,” Mohammed responded.

The document read today in court was filed by all five defendants on Nov. 4 following a series of meetings among them.

“Our success is the greatest praise of the Lord,” the judge read from the document.

‘Without Any Pressure’

“All of these decisions are undertaken by us without any pressure or influence by Khalid Sheikh,” co-defendant Ali Abdul Aziz Ali told the judge. “What was said or will be said by Khalid Sheikh will be repeated by us, also.”

The military judge assigned to their war crimes trial at Guantanamo Bay read aloud a letter in which the five co-defendants said they request an immediate hearing session “to announce our confessions.” Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (aka KSM) has already told interrogators he was the mastermind of the attacks. “Now he’s telling the judge that he and the others want to make confessions at the trial.”

The judge at the pre-trial hearing, Army Col. Stephen Henley, is asking each defendant if they are prepared to enter a plea. Three have agreed to do so.

So, is there an Al Qaeda plan being put into motion on the inside? Most likely there is as our knowledge of Al Qaeda training instructions has shown. Both the government and media of the United States are ill-prepared for this type of jihadi propaganda warfare. Seven years after the beginning of the so-called “War on Terror,” the enemy’s ideology, strategies and methods still haven’t been officially identified. It is like using a Word War I mind set to fight World War II terror strategies.

The “confessions” turned declaration of victory will be picked up by Al Qaeda and other jihadi groups and transformed into vital material for propaganda: videos, audio and texts.

Here is what the jihadists, both on the inside and the outside of the Guantanamo detention center are planning for:

First, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his comrades will use the so-called confessions deal to build a psychological environment for a martyrdom case: “istishaad.” They aren’t interested in saving their lives (at first, although they think they could) but in providing a maximum damage to their enemy through the tribunal proceedings. They will claim the court is not legitimate, the entire Guantanamo process as illegal and that they are ready to die as Jihadis in the path to Allah. Their first target is to grant themselves, in the eyes of millions of militants around the world the status of “Shuhada,” martyrs, even though they could survive it.

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Science lesson, my ass. That brick and straw joke is pure ideological horseshit.

whole2th

The use of the term 'ideological' to describe the comparison of brick supported on straws seems a mis-use of the term: 'ideological'. I sense you are married to ideologies that are fully compromised by the discovery that 9-11 is a big lie and that Israel was a key player in the 9-11 crimes.

About 75 Pentagon personnel formed a line and walked across the Pentagon lawn--picking up things.

As you claim to have the answers: what were the Pentagon personnel picking up from the grounds?

Agents confiscated security camera recordings made at the CITGO station and the Sheraton ... videos which would have shown what approached the Pentagon. What was on those tapes and why have they been concealed from the public? 16 years of controversy about whether a plane did or did not hit the Pentagon would be easily cleared up by revealing some of the many recordings.

Why are the many recordings withheld if not to conceal that things are not as we have been told?

Explain the 'coincidence' of the destruction of the Dept. of Naval Intelligence accounting division computers--and the destruction of backup computers for the Pentagon which were housed at the World Trade Center.

emarine

why must you insist on proving your ignorance... don't you get enough attention at home?... your straw man deal try's to prove the massive strength of a column in compression nothing more...your problem is we already knew this without your repetitious reminders & never have disputed this fact... your problem is the fact that the outer columns didn't fail in compression... they fell over outward & snapped off in sections...the massive inner core columns were ripped apart until half way down when 700+ feet pushed through the top section then was free standing for several seconds before it fell from lack of lateral support & severe damage from the main collapse... you can clearly observe this again I video & still picture.... if you're In fact observant ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI

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whole2th

The use of the term 'ideological' to describe the comparison of brick supported on straws seems a mis-use of the term: 'ideological'. I sense you are married to ideologies that are fully compromised by the discovery that 9-11 is a big lie and that Israel was a key player in the 9-11 crimes.
Give us the name of ONE Israeli, just one Jew who participated directly in the attack, like a man named Reuben rather than Mohammed or Aaron rather than Marwan.

We have the names of the Muslims who were involved in the 9/11 attack, from the mastermind to the 19 who did the job. I can give you their ages, birth dates, where they were born, names of family members, their occupations, education and academic records, religious convictions, the languages they spoke, travel and financial records, and we can provide photographs of all of them. So, it is only fair that you do the same. Or, at least try to make your case. All the speculative bullshit put out by your high priest, Bollyn, doesn't pass the smell test.

About 75 Pentagon personnel formed a line and walked across the Pentagon lawn--picking up things.

As you claim to have the answers: what were the Pentagon personnel picking up from the grounds?
Initially, the people on the lawn were those escaping from the building, or first responders involved in firefighting and rescue operations. I have yet to see a line of "Pentagon personnel" walking across the lawn, however, for those who have not been blinded by ideological or conspiratorial brainwashing, it is obvious that people were picking up pieces.

Agents confiscated security camera recordings made at the CITGO station and the Sheraton ... videos which would have shown what approached the Pentagon. What was on those tapes and why have they been concealed from the public? 16 years of controversy about whether a plane did or did not hit the Pentagon would be easily cleared up by revealing some of the many recordings.

Why are the many recordings withheld if not to conceal that things are not as we have been told?
We already know that an American Airline Boeing 757 "approached" the Pentagon and crashed into it, maybe the reason those videos are being withheld is so that the morons in the 9/11 conspiracy movement can't edit them, alter them, narrate them, upload them to youtube and continue to make fools of themselves.

Explain the 'coincidence' of the destruction of the Dept. of Naval Intelligence accounting division computers--and the destruction of backup computers for the Pentagon which were housed at the World Trade Center.
The Naval Intelligence accounting division is just one of hundreds of Dept of Defense accounting divisions. Hani Hanjour didn't give a shit what offices he flew into, he just wanted to nail the Pentagon.

I have no clue where you got the idea that Pentagon backup computers were housed at the WTC and neither do you. The DoD and the CIA shared offices with the IRS on the 25th floor of WTC7. These were some of the smallest tenant commitments in the building. Because of the DoD personnel assignments in the WTC7 office, it is obvious this office was not connected to DoD accounting. (The CIA office was a recruiting operation and some classified materials were lost) No federal government agencies maintained offices in either of the twin towers.

payne1000

The brick and straw experiment demonstrates Newton's third law of motion . . . the equal and opposite reaction when the brick hits the straw assembly . . . the reaction which causes the brick to bounce off. The straw assembly is flimsy and has no bracing, yet it can repel a mass hundreds of times its own weight. Look at the construction of the Tower center core below. How much weight would it take to crush that structure? This math equation indicates it would take 633 times the weight of the 15 upper floors of the North Tower to crush the structure.


The following is the Equation that proves that the 911 Twin Towers could not possibly have collapsed due to exploding plane crashes and extremely widespread and intense fires.

CL(95) = 20*LL(95)
= 20*[5*DL(95)]
= 100*DL(95)
= 100*(95/15)DL(15)
= 100*6.33*DL(15)
= 633*DL(15)
= 633 Force Units of upward support
where,
CL = Collapse Load for 100% & Total Collapse
LL = Live Load = Occupied & Furnished Weight
DL = Dead Load = Unoccupied, Unfurnished
110 = 110 Floor Steel WTC
95 = 95 Floor Steel Block (Lower Block)
15 = 15 Floor Steel Block (Top Block)
20 = Collapse Load Factor of John Skilling
5 = Live Load Factor of Ronald Hamburger
of NIST



Therefore, it required the Force of Weight of 633 15-Floor-Blocks pressing down on one 95-Floor-Steel-Block before the possibility of total collapse could possibly occur.

I am using the NIST and Mass Medias own published and or announced at 911 tour presentations data to make this scientific proof that one 15-Floor-Block could not, even in ones wildest dreams totally collapse the 95-Floor-Steel-Block below.
http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/Dave_Heller.cfm

payne1000

Please explain what would rip apart the massive steel inner core. You have never been able to explain that.
This video of controlled demolitions shows a tower which falls leaving the center portion still standing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8VjFBPQm2k
In the collapse scenario you describe that's what would have happened to both towers.
There is another building with damage to one side at the base. This is similar to what you describe happened to WTC7.
Watch how the building rolls over to the damaged side while staying intact otherwise. Office towers do not disintegrate unless explosives are involved.

emarine

payne100 quotes... "Please explain what would rip apart the massive steel inner core. You have never been able to explain that"


You clearly confuse my ability to explain VS your ability to comprehend F=ma... you prove that conspiracy theorists lack a basic understanding & replace fact & law with what if's & could be... You argue Newton...

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It is true that Newton's laws apply to a brick colliding with a sheet of cardboard resting on top of standing straws, but any resemblance to the twin towers ends there. The upper portion of the towers that fell were not solid bricks, the floors in the towers were not single sheets of something or other resting on top of eight steel columns like a table top resting on its legs.

95 divided by 15 multiplied by 100 equals 633? Give. Me. A. Break.

Boldwyn posted his numbers game in the comment section of Heller's rant at garlic and grass.

Boldwyn concludes his pile of garbage with a truly self-centered statement,

I am in possession of the most critical information that all of the 911 researchers have been longing and praying for some Physicist to uncover. The wait for conclusive proof is over. Just request my paper to be sent to you via your email address.

Chuck Boldwyn

Boldwyn posted that bullshit almost 9 years ago, and if that mumbo jumbo arithmetic was even remotely close to an existing physics equation with credible results, by now it should have made enough of an impression that at least one truther scientist or engineer would have responded to it. It would have made it into the mainstream of 9/11 trutherism. No cigar. Not one scientist or engineer, has commented on it or responded to it, not a word. Nope, it just sits there tacked to the wall at garlic and grass, and every once in a while some moron in the truther movement sees it and thinks he has discovered the mother lode.

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On September 11, 2001 fourteen buildings were destroyed or damaged beyond repair. These included WTC1, WTC2, Marriott Hotel (WTC3), WTC4, WTC5, US Customs House (WTC6), WTC7, St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, Deutsche Bank Building (130 Liberty Street), Fiterman Hall (30 West Broadway), 4 Albany Street, 130 Cedar Street, 133-135 Greenwich Street, 21-23 Thames Street. Explosives were not involved in any of this destruction, not even during clean up.

payne1000

Nowhere in your latest babble do you explain how the floors collapsing down on one another could bring down the massive center core.
I understand why you can't explain that. It took explosives to take down the center core.

payne1000

[quote=Blade_Runner]It is true that Newton's laws apply to a brick colliding with a sheet of cardboard resting on top of standing straws, but any resemblance to the twin towers ends there. The upper portion of the towers that fell were not solid bricks, the floors in the towers were not single sheets of something or other resting on top of eight steel columns like a table top resting on its legs.

You're right. The upper portion of the towers was much less solid than a brick. The floors in the towers did not rest on eight steel columns, they were connected to over 280 vertical steel columns which were all tied together at every floor by horizontal steel bracing. So, allowing for scale, the falling floors were much less weight than a brick, and the lower floors were many times the strength of the straws.

95 divided by 15 multiplied by 100 equals 633? Give. Me. A. Break.
My calculator says that is accurate.

Boldwyn posted his numbers game in the comment section of Heller's rant at garlic and grass.

Boldwyn concludes his pile of garbage with a truly self-centered statement,

I am in possession of the most critical information that all of the 911 researchers have been longing and praying for some Physicist to uncover. The wait for conclusive proof is over. Just request my paper to be sent to you via your email address.

Chuck Boldwyn

Boldwyn posted that bullshit almost 9 years ago, and if that mumbo jumbo arithmetic was even remotely close to an existing physics equation with credible results, by now it should have made enough of an impression that at least one truther scientist or engineer would have responded to it. It would have made it into the mainstream of 9/11 trutherism. No cigar. Not one scientist or engineer, has commented on it or responded to it, not a word. Nope, it just sits there tacked to the wall at garlic and grass, and every once in a while some moron in the truther movement sees it and thinks he has discovered the mother lode. Mathematical equations don't have an expiration date. Unfortunately humans do.

payne1000

Of course the perpetrators couldn't use explosives to take down the damaged buildings at WTC. Everyone would have noticed how similar their collapses were to the three towers.
Can't have that.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The scientific explanation for how and why the towers collapsed isn't all that difficult to understand, the explanations have been presented here ad infinitum, but for brainwashed people like you, there is no explanation other than explosives.

The 9/11 conspiracy movement isn't going anywhere. It is like a monkey caged in a zoo, it chatters and wails, while the little kids toss it peanuts and bananas to keep it from starving. It will never get out of its cage until it finally dies. The 9/11 conspiracy movement is on life support. Only fools keep trying to feed it.

There never will be a "new" investigation, no witnesses will ever be subpoenaed, no one will ever be charged. Except for some artifacts in a museum, no physical evidence remains. There is nothing to investigate.

An "inside job" the size and scope the truthers claim would have left a trail of documentation 10 miles wide and a hundred miles long, documentation far more convincing than a million speculations about photos and youtube videos and pseudo-science and out of context eyewitness statements. Where are the "inside job" communications, the memos, the contracts, the emails, the invoices, receipts, the phone records, the travel records, transport records, cargo manifests, the bank records--the account numbers, wire transfers, transactions, deposits, debits, credit card statements, checks, payouts and payoffs? They are nowhere because no such things ever existed.

9/11 is history. It happened, it's done, there are definitely more pressing concerns today than dwelling on a horrible act of terrorism 16 years ago.