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Nov 26, 2017 10:19:22   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Maybe its not a tower?... another 12 story building fire picture @ night?... are all buildings & fires the same?... more repetitive BS?...large structures have plenty of interior space to burn inside the building that's harder to see where small structures don't & rapidly burn the exterior when consumed ... large structures bear more weight ... masonry & concrete preform better in fire... all buildings & fires are in fact not the same because you don't know the differences...


All tower fires before 9/11 had one thing in common. They didn't collapse.
Before 9/11 every tower which did collapse was brought down by controlled demolition.
When three towers fall on the same day, all showing the main characteristics of controlled demolition,
what would be the intelligent answer to why they fell?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoarqaNjL8

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Nov 26, 2017 10:44:31   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
All tower fires before 9/11 had one thing in common. They didn't collapse.
Before 9/11 every tower which did collapse was brought down by controlled demolition.
When three towers fall on the same day, all showing the main characteristics of controlled demolition,
what would be the intelligent answer to why they fell?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoarqaNjL8




intelligent answer ... All towers weren't hit by large jet planes exploding & burring...fact... all towers are not designed the same...fact...all towers were not hit with tons of falling steel from over 1000 high...fact...there's a first time for everything...fact... these are all undeniable facts... you provide nothing but hearsay, conjecture & bullshit in your theory's & that's why they're theory's not fact... your opinions are in fact not facts no matter how hard you try & sell it...

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Nov 26, 2017 11:00:20   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
emarine wrote:
intelligent answer ... All towers weren't hit by large jet planes exploding & burring...fact... all towers are not designed the same...fact...all towers were not hit with tons of falling steel from over 1000 high...fact...there's a first time for everything...fact... these are all undeniable facts... you provide nothing but hearsay, conjecture & bullshit in your theory's & that's why they're theory's not fact... your opinions are in fact not facts no matter how hard you try & sell it...
intelligent answer ... All towers weren't hit by l... (show quote)


Still waiting for the video.
Just sayin'.



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Nov 26, 2017 11:27:31   #
emarine
 
bdamage wrote:
Still waiting for the video.
Just sayin'.



Years ago I spent some time on the 911 WTC tower failures for personal reasons... based on physical science & evidence I concluded that a gravity collapse do to plane impact damage & heat caused the top section to fail & fall, overloading the floor connections all the way down fit best... After learning this I have spent little to no time on any other events from 911... I'm not a pilot but would assume that many planes look very similar to your picture when landing... just with the gear down...

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Nov 26, 2017 11:56:27   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
emarine wrote:
Years ago I spent some time on the 911 WTC tower failures for personal reasons... based on physical science & evidence I concluded that a gravity collapse do to plane impact damage & heat caused the top section to fail & fall, overloading the floor connections all the way down fit best... After learning this I have spent little to no time on any other events from 911... I'm not a pilot but would assume that many planes look very similar to your picture when landing... just with the gear down...
Years ago I spent some time on the 911 WTC tower f... (show quote)


So a muzzie, who NEVER flew a 757 and did not even finish the training to land one, makes a perfect pinpoint landing straight into the Pentagon?

A little farfetched, don't you think?

Still would like to see the multiple vids that they have instead of the lame one "they" tampered with before releasing.

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Nov 26, 2017 12:24:13   #
emarine
 
bdamage wrote:
So a muzzie, who NEVER flew a 757 and did not even finish the training to land one, makes a perfect pinpoint landing straight into the Pentagon?

A little farfetched, don't you think?

Still would like to see the multiple vids that they have instead of the lame one "they" tampered with before releasing.



Not too sure I would consider the muzzie's ability to crash a jet a landing... most jet liners I've been aboard land bow high... My youngest son has a video game flight simulator...I think that he could have hit the pentagon also if surviving wasn't an issue...

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Nov 26, 2017 15:22:11   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
All your posts are from a conspiracy theorist who hides his identity. You're supporting and defending the Bush Administration's conspiracy theory which claims 19 Arabs from a cave in Afghanistan were able to get through airport security without showing up on the security videos, hijack 4 airliners, knock down three office towers using only two of the airliners, then crash another of the airliners into the Pentagon without leaving any airliner wreckage at the scene. When you support lies that obvious, even if you identified yourself, you would still have no credibility.
All your posts are from a conspiracy theorist who ... (show quote)
Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney were both flight attendants on AA11, both of these women, using the on board phones, contacted AA offices on the ground. Ong was in contact with AA Reservations and Sweeney was in contact with AA manager, Micheal Woodward. Sweeney told Woodward that the airplane had been hijacked, that a flight attendant and a passenger had been stabbed, that the flight crew in the cockpit was not responding to calls, and that MACE or some such agent had been sprayed into the forward 1st Class cabin. Both Ong and Sweeney stayed on the phones and continued to provide Woodward with updates, which included two sudden radical turns, and a fairly rapid descent. (Which all coincided with communication and radar data from ATC Boston)

Before a commercial flight departs, a passenger manifest is issued to the purser aboard the flight. Both Ong and Sweeney were in the 1st Class cabin when the terrorists launched their attack. Both of them saw at least three of the terrorists vacate their seats. The purser aboard AA11 obviously pulled up the passenger manifest and provided Amy Sweeney with enough information that she was able to relay the seat assignments of three of the hijackers to Woodward at AA HQ. Woodward's assistant pulled up the current AA11 manifest and identified the three. Abdulaziz al-Omari in 9G, Satam al-Suqami in 10B, and Mohammed Atta in 9D.

Both Ong and Sweeney were still on the phones when the jet hit the North Tower.

In the months preceding the attack, several of the 9/11 terrorists, including Atta, were tasked with intelligence gathering missions in which they booked flights within the United States and intercontinental flights into the United States. During these flights, the terrorists noted times from takeoff to reaching cruise altitude, they studied cabin crew habits, behavior and routines, they noted times when seat belt restrictions were lifted, times when meal service began, they logged every time a pilot or member of the flight crew exited the cockpit, and they determined which seat assignments or rows would give the hijacking teams the best tactical advantage for the attack.

BTW: the 19 hijackers DID NOT come from a cave in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden was in a cave in Afghanistan and once he gave Kahlid Sheik Mohammed the green light, he had no further contact with the hijackers until 6 days before the attack when he sent them his encouragement and wishes for success.

Kahlid Sheik Mohammed was the mastermind of the "Planes Operation", he planned the attack, organized the training, worked up a target list, and managed the financing. Mohammed Atta was given tactical command of the hijacking teams. In late 1998 and early 1999, the hijackers scattered, some went to Germany (The Hamburg Cell), some went to the ME, and some went to southeast Asia--Singapore and the Philippines. In January, 2000, they began to arrive in the United States. The rest is history.

BTW: Even your old buddy, David Chandler, agrees that an American Airline Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon.

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Nov 26, 2017 16:01:14   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
intelligent answer ... All towers weren't hit by large jet planes exploding & burring...fact... all towers are not designed the same...fact...all towers were not hit with tons of falling steel from over 1000 high...fact...there's a first time for everything...fact... these are all undeniable facts... you provide nothing but hearsay, conjecture & bullshit in your theory's & that's why they're theory's not fact... your opinions are in fact not facts no matter how hard you try & sell it...
intelligent answer ... All towers weren't hit by l... (show quote)


It's not a theory that before 9/11 no skyscraper had fallen from any force other than controlled demolition . . . it's a fact.
It's not a theory that no airliner hit WTC7 . . . it's a fact.
It's not a theory that steel-framed skyscrapers collapse can't be caused by the same weight they were designed to support . . . it's a fact.
It's not a theory that you're a shill who hides behind gutless anonymity . . . you've proven that to be a fact.

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Nov 26, 2017 16:08:36   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Years ago I spent some time on the 911 WTC tower failures for personal reasons... based on physical science & evidence I concluded that a gravity collapse do to plane impact damage & heat caused the top section to fail & fall, overloading the floor connections all the way down fit best... After learning this I have spent little to no time on any other events from 911... I'm not a pilot but would assume that many planes look very similar to your picture when landing... just with the gear down...
Years ago I spent some time on the 911 WTC tower f... (show quote)


Floor truss connections releasing from the massive steel center core would have left the center core standing. You haven't explained what brought the center core down while leaving some of the outer walls standing.



The center core is gone. Some of the outer wall structure remains standing.
The center core is gone. Some of the outer wall st...

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Nov 26, 2017 16:17:24   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
bdamage wrote:
So a muzzie, who NEVER flew a 757 and did not even finish the training to land one, makes a perfect pinpoint landing straight into the Pentagon?

A little farfetched, don't you think?

Still would like to see the multiple vids that they have instead of the lame one "they" tampered with before releasing.
The principles of flight for fixed wing, powered aircraft are exactly the same for all such aircraft--ultralight to Boeing 747. Roll, pitch and yaw, lift, drag, thrust and gravity, all apply. Becoming proficient in applying these principles is not rocket science. The only difference is in the complexity of aircraft operation systems, not in the fundamentals of flight control.

Fact is that Mohammed Atta (AA11) and Marwan alShehi (UA175) held valid FAA commercial licenses with multi-engine and instrument ratings, Hani Hanjour (Pentagon) held a commercial pilot license, and Jarrah (UA93) held a valid FAA Private license. All of them had trained in big jet simulators. And, they were not interested in learning to land an aircraft. Or performing a take off.

Scientist for 9/11Truth, David Chandler, produced his own analysis and discussion of the Pentagon attack. Why not hear what he had to say?

David Chandler: The Pentagon Puzzle, Going Beyond Speculation

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Nov 26, 2017 16:29:56   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
Floor truss connections releasing from the massive steel center core would have left the center core standing. You haven't explained what brought the center core down while leaving some of the outer walls standing.
In all of the videos, when the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors of the North Tower began to fall, did you see the "massive steel center core" poke up through the roof and just stand there while the floors collapsed around them? Didn't think so. It is logical to assume then that the "massive steel center core" in the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors in the North Tower came down with the whole enchilada. Which of course means that the "massive steel center core" in the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors in the North Tower came down directly on the "massive steel center core" in lower floors of the towers.

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Nov 26, 2017 16:34:21   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney were both flight attendants on AA11, both of these women, using the on board phones, contacted AA offices on the ground. Ong was in contact with AA Reservations and Sweeney was in contact with AA manager, Micheal Woodward. Sweeney told Woodward that the airplane had been hijacked, that a flight attendant and a passenger had been stabbed, that the flight crew in the cockpit was not responding to calls, and that MACE or some such agent had been sprayed into the forward 1st Class cabin. Both Ong and Sweeney stayed on the phones and continued to provide Woodward with updates, which included two sudden radical turns, and a fairly rapid descent. (Which all coincided with communication and radar data from ATC Boston)

Before a commercial flight departs, a passenger manifest is issued to the purser aboard the flight. Both Ong and Sweeney were in the 1st Class cabin when the terrorists launched their attack. Both of them saw at least three of the terrorists vacate their seats. The purser aboard AA11 obviously pulled up the passenger manifest and provided Amy Sweeney with enough information that she was able to relay the seat assignments of three of the hijackers to Woodward at AA HQ. Woodward's assistant pulled up the current AA11 manifest and identified the three. Abdulaziz al-Omari in 9G, Satam al-Suqami in 10B, and Mohammed Atta in 9D.

Both Ong and Sweeney were still on the phones when the jet hit the North Tower.

In the months preceding the attack, several of the 9/11 terrorists, including Atta, were tasked with intelligence gathering missions in which they booked flights within the United States and intercontinental flights into the United States. During these flights, the terrorists noted times from takeoff to reaching cruise altitude, they studied cabin crew habits, behavior and routines, they noted times when seat belt restrictions were lifted, times when meal service began, they logged every time a pilot or member of the flight crew exited the cockpit, and they determined which seat assignments or rows would give the hijacking teams the best tactical advantage for the attack.

BTW: the 19 hijackers DID NOT come from a cave in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden was in a cave in Afghanistan and once he gave Kahlid Sheik Mohammed the green light, he had no further contact with the hijackers until 6 days before the attack when he sent them his encouragement and wishes for success.

Kahlid Sheik Mohammed was the mastermind of the "Planes Operation", he planned the attack, organized the training, worked up a target list, and managed the financing. Mohammed Atta was given tactical command of the hijacking teams. In late 1998 and early 1999, the hijackers scattered, some went to Germany (The Hamburg Cell), some went to the ME, and some went to southeast Asia--Singapore and the Philippines. In January, 2000, they began to arrive in the United States. The rest is history.

BTW: Even your old buddy, David Chandler, agrees that an American Airline Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon.
Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney were both flight attenda... (show quote)


If David Chandler says an airliner hit the Pentagon, it's a sure bet that his family has been threatened.
This eyewitness reporter says there is no evidence an airliner hit the Pentagon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeYFTPG4KQ

As for the cell phone calls: https://youtu.be/KjImLL4NnwA

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Nov 26, 2017 16:44:49   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
In all of the videos, when the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors of the North Tower began to fall, did you see the "massive steel center core" poke up through the roof and just stand there while the floors collapsed around them? Didn't think so. It is logical to assume then that the "massive steel center core" in the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors in the North Tower came down with the whole enchilada. Which of course means that the "massive steel center core" in the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors in the North Tower came down directly on the "massive steel center core" in lower floors of the towers.
In all of the videos, when the upper 30 floors of ... (show quote)


The impossible part of your story has always been that the 30 floors and the 15 floors could not collapse from the damage done by the airliners or the small, random short duration fires. Construction-grade steel is not brittle and it takes hours for normal fires to weaken it at all. The only force in history which has ever brought a skyscraper down is controlled demolition. All three towers on 9/11 showed the main characteristics of controlled demolition. This was not missed by the news reporters who witnessed the collapses: https://youtu.be/VwjRaadx-QU

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Nov 26, 2017 17:01:40   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
If David Chandler says an airliner hit the Pentagon, it's a sure bet that his family has been threatened.
This eyewitness reporter says there is no evidence an airliner hit the Pentagon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeYFTPG4KQ

As for the cell phone calls: https://youtu.be/KjImLL4NnwA
Ha, Chandler would never have produced that analysis if he or his family had been threatened. If you had watched his video, you'd know why.

Chandler opens his video with the testimonies of 30 of the 180 eyewitnesses of the Pentagon crash. These people saw it when it happened, some even identified the aircraft as an American Airline Boeing 757.

And you link to a reporter who showed up after the crash and just because he doesn't see a whole lot of aircraft wreckage, he goes stupid and says there is "no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon."

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Nov 26, 2017 17:15:51   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
emarine wrote:
Not too sure I would consider the muzzie's ability to crash a jet a landing... most jet liners I've been aboard land bow high... My youngest son has a video game flight simulator...I think that he could have hit the pentagon also if surviving wasn't an issue...

Sorry emarine, but...
I prefer common sense to nonsense.

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