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Sep 22, 2017 06:24:17   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
If she was raped, give the baby up for adoption. There are many couples who would be willing to take that child.

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Sep 22, 2017 06:25:15   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
If she was raped, give the baby up for adoption. There are many couples who would be willing to take that child.

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Sep 22, 2017 06:44:49   #
JW
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
About the fossil record and scientists who don't agree with evolution. Those are facts. I have presented factual evidence about that. It's your right to disagree, but that doesn't make you right. I have a list of one thousand scientists who claim that Darwin was wrong. wanna see it? And I will debate you on any scientific topic you choose.


It is certainly a fact that scientists have varying opinions. That is what science is all about; searching for the truth. That necessitates examining many theories, most of which will ultimately fail. The fact that a scientist disagrees with a colleague doesn't make either of them right or wrong... until the issue is settled. Until then, neither opinion/theory rules.

You do two things when you debate an issue. One is resurrecting dead issues and presenting them as if they were still valid, ignoring current findings that affect those issues. Your information is frequently out of date. The other is that you never focus on the topic at hand. You introduce tangents that distract from the topic at hand.

I'll give you one example; the fossil record issue. You claim it is not a valid means of investigating the past. It is the only possible means of investigating the past and any scientist knows that for a certainty. That will change as we become more able to understand DNA but for now, the only way to flesh out the past is through the evidence left behind by the past.

Your statement was that some atheist scientists poo-poo the fossil record. In the post I am now responding to, you imply that your previous remark had to do with scientists opposing evolution. Those are quite different considerations. You now introduced a tangent that distracts from the issue of the scientific assessment of the validity of the fossil record.

We all know that scientists exist who disagree with Darwin. That's not news. It's not even significant because it is contradicted by the evidence. Evolution is a fact. Even the father of 'irreducible complexity', Michael Behe, acknowledges that evolution is taking place. His argument isn't with evolution but with the origin and design of life.

So, who is it that suggests the fossil record doesn't demonstrate evolution because it most assuredly does. Just what are his/her scientific credentials?

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Sep 22, 2017 06:47:18   #
Mr Bombastic
 
Super Dave wrote:
I disagree in part.

No person should be obligated to 9 months of involuntary servitude because someone else forced himself on her. Women that did not consent to sex do have a right to avoid any of the consequences of rape that they can avoid.

I agree that when a woman choose sex she owns the consequences.


Regardless of whether or not it's the result of rape, That baby is innocent. To abort it just because you don't want it is evil.

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Sep 22, 2017 06:50:22   #
JW
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
If she was raped, give the baby up for adoption. There are many couples who would be willing to take that child.


Maybe God decided those couples shouldn't have children.

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Sep 22, 2017 07:00:47   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
That can happen too, only God knows.

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Sep 22, 2017 07:14:33   #
Mr Bombastic
 
JW wrote:
Maybe God decided those couples shouldn't have children.


Or maybe God knew that trying to have a child might have endangered the mothers life? Or maybe she or her husband have a genetic disorder that could be passed on to their child? Maybes are just that maybes. What matters is the child that so many are eager to murder for no good reason.

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Sep 22, 2017 07:34:16   #
JW
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Or maybe God knew that trying to have a child might have endangered the mothers life? Or maybe she or her husband have a genetic disorder that could be passed on to their child? Maybes are just that maybes. What matters is the child that so many are eager to murder for no good reason.


I think that's why the sentences start with 'maybe'.

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Sep 22, 2017 07:44:40   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
I assume some of you have children who you love very much. Probably grandchildren too. Here's a question for you. Actually, not really a question but a suggestion. Think about how different your life would be if your children had been aborted. Just think about it.


Can't imagine it Mr. B ... My son a pure gift and is my life..

I lost a baby in my fifth month.. To this day I wonder what she would have done ..

The people who go through abortion do not allow themself to think about " what, he or she would have done." Then there are those who simply don't want that child...

In the end everyone "pays" for their actions whether they believe that or not..

Every baby born is a message from God he is not yet discouraged with mankind..

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Sep 22, 2017 08:03:55   #
Mr Bombastic
 
lindajoy wrote:
Can't imagine it Mr. B ... My son a pure gift and is my life..

I lost a baby in my fifth month.. To this day I wonder what she would have done ..

The people who go through abortion do not allow themself to think about " what, he or she would have done." Then there are those who simply don't want that child...

In the end everyone "pays" for their actions whether they believe that or not..

Every baby born is a message from God he is not yet discouraged with mankind..
Can't imagine it Mr. B ... My son a pure gift and ... (show quote)


You know. I often wonder what God is waiting for. When is Jesus coming back? Maybe God has a certain number of vacancies in Heaven that He needs to fill first. If that's the case, our evangelical churches need to redouble their efforts. On the other hand, every baby ever aborted is with God. Perhaps atheists are actually helping to hasten the day of the Lord. I hope that's true. Who knows?

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Sep 22, 2017 09:03:51   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
What a selfish thing to do. You murdered your baby because of who its father was? You didn't have to do that. You could have given it up for adoption. But instead, you murdered it. I have no sympathy for you.

Don’t be so quick to judge Mr B…I'm not saying that I disagree with you that abortion is murder but show a little compassion. There’s only one sin that can’t be forgiven. Jesus himself said:

“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7b

AND…

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.” Matthew 5:21-22

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Sep 22, 2017 09:27:13   #
Kazudy
 
JW wrote:
You are missing the point. There are TWO sides that both deserve consideration. I find self-righteous ignorance of opposing views offensive.


Every baby killing,anti death penalty for convicted murderers, enablers of homosexuals adopting innocent,pinko commie pinko liberal find ANY opposing view offensive. In the end, people like you will burn in hell.

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Sep 22, 2017 09:33:50   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
If she was raped, give the baby up for adoption. There are many couples who would be willing to take that child.


Having zero experience with it, nonetheless, I truly believe that is what I would counsel my family member to do. Including my daughter. That or keep the child.

That said I don't think it should be mandated.

Likewise a mother has the right of self defense, even if it is from a child that isn't purposely threatening ger life or serious endangering her health.

The other 99% of abortions are quite different.

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Sep 22, 2017 12:01:06   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
The second set of examples you gave are the result of poor parenting. If they had done their jobs right, no abortion would be needed or even desired. But they all deserve a chance to live.


Those examples are the result of poor parenting some of the time. Other times not so much. But, for the sake of argument let's say you're 100% correct.

So, when a woman finds herself pregnant and doesn't want a child because she knows she will be an unfit single parent, your solution is to force her to inflict a felon on society and force taxpayers to support them. Great idea!

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Sep 22, 2017 12:07:02   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Iamdjchrys wrote:
So you think that I should have carried that bastard's child, inside my body, to term, reminding me of his assault every day? You are as heartless as he was. P.S. he killed himself after dropping me off in the middle of the road, beaten so badly that I couldn't open my eyes for 3 days. He also raped me with a rifle. Yeah, I guess I should have lived that over and over, worse than I did, carrying that reminder every day. Again, you are one heartless SOB.


I am very sorry to read about what happened to you and you have my sympathy. No sane person would ever think to criticize your decision.

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