JW

There is none. Human can be defined, being cannot.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

RAGE ABORTION FETAL SALES REVELATION MAKING NEWSOVER

"Only six months after the Supreme Court decision in Roe v Wade (1973, Peter A.J. Adam, an associate professor of pediatrics at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio, reported to the American Pediatric Research Society on research he and his associates had conducted on twelve babies up to twenty weeks old who had survived hysterotomy abortions. These physicians cut the heads off of these tiny babies and placed tubes in the main arteries feeding their brains. The researchers kept the heads of these babies alive, much as the Russians kept the heads of the dogs alive in certain experiments in the 1950s. In response to questions raised about this research, Dr. Adams said: "Once society declares a fetus dead, and abrogates its rights, I don't see any ethical problem......Whose rights are we going to protect, once we've decided the fetus wont live?" **

**(Ref" Post-Abortion Fetal Study Stirs Storm, "Medical World News, June 8, 1973, p.21. As cited by John Whitehead, Strategy on the abortion issue (Charlottesville, VA, 1993). The federal funding of this type of "research" was outlawed by the Reagan Administration. In 1993, President Clinton began to provide federal funding for all "fetal tissue" research.)

My comments:

Abortion is the greatest holocaust mankind has ever conducted against humanity. Hitler, Stalin, Mao all pale in comparison to the holocaust taking place in our own age with legal sanction and in the name of women rights and the war on women. If the number of casualties is a reflection of winning a war, then women have taken no prisoners. In the name of women's rights motherhood has been reduced to just another cold, calculated medical-economic option. Being with child has become merely an unfortunate medical complication of sex. Women have been stripped of the status of nurturing creatures and stripped of the extra protection that is due to them as the first, sacred home to all humanity. Legions of men no longer take on the responsibility of the protector of women and children and the number of single mother families is proof. Science today has become a fascist nightmare vastly exceeding the Nazi eugenics program.

To Christians: Death is understood simply as the separation of body and soul. Conversely, conception is understood as the immediate joining of body and soul. Was Jesus fully God and fully Man at the time of his birth or at his conception? When Mary visited Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, her child "leapt in her womb" in the presence of the Savior. The obvious answer, of course, is Jesus was fully God and fully man at conception.

The "shock" over the sale of body parts in the news of the day regarding the dismembering of unborn children will soon fade and the holocaust will continue unabated. The sacredness of human life is a sentimental thought of the past for most Americans and this sacred loss has created the new monsters you are concerned with who will continue to shoot up schools, and do other horrendous acts for reasons only Satan comprehends. For awhile, one third of all children conceived in America were aborted. Madness

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Did you skip school today?

How far down the rabbit hole are you willing to go to justify killing innocent children?

What's next? Justifying slavery?

Mr Bombastic

If there was a law that all niggers should be round up and put in concentration camps, would you follow it? I mean, it is the law.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

As you said, you're not really asking a question, but it's obvious what you're getting at. Having said that, I think the thoughts you're requesting will vary depending on the parents and kids in question.

Certainly the parents of an honor-student who became a world-renowned surgeon would be thinking the thoughts you're looking for. Many others parents would regarding their own children as well.

But what about the parents of the child molester, or other felons? Or the victims of parental abuse? I don't their thoughts would match your hopes, do you? I suspect they'd be thinking how much better their lives would have been if they'd aborted.

IMHO, it is beyond my comprehension how anybody can look at Barack or Michelle Obama, or Nancy Pelosi, or Kathy Griffin, or ... without thinking how much better the world would be if only they'd been aborted.

Mr Bombastic

The second set of examples you gave are the result of poor parenting. If they had done their jobs right, no abortion would be needed or even desired. But they all deserve a chance to live.

Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas

You are obviously not a woman who has had to make this agonizing decision. I was brutally raped and nearly beaten to death by a psychopath. I chose not to have that abomination's child.

Mr Bombastic

What a selfish thing to do. You murdered your baby because of who its father was? You didn't have to do that. You could have given it up for adoption. But instead, you murdered it. I have no sympathy for you.

Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas

So you think that I should have carried that bastard's child, inside my body, to term, reminding me of his assault every day? You are as heartless as he was. P.S. he killed himself after dropping me off in the middle of the road, beaten so badly that I couldn't open my eyes for 3 days. He also raped me with a rifle. Yeah, I guess I should have lived that over and over, worse than I did, carrying that reminder every day. Again, you are one heartless SOB.

JW

I am justifying nothing. The issue isn't as simple as you try to represent it. Other people have other sensibilities and other viewpoints and other circumstances to contend with. The fact that you don't see the complexities, or can't appreciate them, doesn't invalidate the decisions others reach in living their lives.

My effort is to make some of the other views known to this community.

JW

There are ways provided by the Founders for changing laws you feel are wrong. Until the law is changed, it is to be obeyed and those availing themselves of legal services are to be left alone.

Mr Bombastic

You baby did not do anything wrong, and you killed it! You did it because it reminded you of someone else. So much for maternal affection. You are heartless, as well as evil. You murdered your baby. You murdered an innocent. That's the truth. If it was me, I would have carried it to term. What does that say about you and your hurt feelings?

Mr Bombastic

Unconstitutional laws should not be obeyed. Laws that are immoral should not be obeyed. Stupid laws also should not be obeyed. America has a long tradition of civil disobedience. It's the only way to get things done sometimes. It's also why we exist as a free nation. Otherwise, we'd still be a vassel of Great Briton.

E

I understand his opinion and he is an absolutist on the matter of abortion. Generally we were talking about generic abortion. It seems that every time we talk about abortion someone right away brings up incest and rape. So far the discussion was not about that.

I also understand what you went through was one of the worst possible rape scenes we can imagine. To live with that child would have been horrible and each kick would have reminded you of that rape and it would feel like rape all over again. I really sympathize with you and I do understand your decision. I hope you have finally achieved peace within yourself and are able to move on as reasonably as anyone could expect.

I also don't believe in abortion. I believe like he does that the baby did not do anything wrong and shouldn't have to pay the ultimate price when adoption is available. But even adoption would have left you wondering all your life if that baby would turn out like his father. It would have been a life long sentence for doing nothing wrong, just surviving. So, I can't totally support your decision, but I understand it, and he was an ass for attacking your decision like he did.

I wish you well.

And Mr Bombastic, sometimes you can be a real asshole. This was one of them.

Mr Bombastic

If telling the truth makes me an asshole, then so be it. She killed her child because of some emotional distress. Boo hoo hoo. My heart bleeds.